Should we allow immigrants into our country?

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Is this a Christian thing to do or not?

To begin with the U.S. IS NOT a "Christian Country". That would be in violation of the Constitution. The U.S. is a "Constitutional Republic" IN WHICH many Born Again Christians live, and to a decreasing degree, some Biblical principles were followed in the government.

But HEY - go ahead and invite an "Immigrant" into your house to live and support until they get their "feet on the ground". My Father did with his wife's family (5 immigrants from Northern Ireland about 100 years ago). They all became Naturalized Citizens, and went on to establish their individual families, and careers.
 
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You can drive for days in Texas in deserted land. There is so much land. The entire world population can fit into the state of Florida.

There is no shortage of food. Food is plentiful. The Telievision and satanic celebrities want you to believe the world is a small place.

The problem in third world countries is not food shortages. The farmers are ready and willing......the tin pot dictators and the Monasantos/Celebrities/Telievisions/Tax payer funded fraud $$$scientists and univershities won't let them.

You can drive for days in Texas in deserted land. There is so much land. The entire world population can fit into the state of Florida.

There is no shortage of food. Food is plentiful. The Telievision and satanic celebrities want you to believe the world is a small place.
The problem in third world countries is not food shortages. The farmers are ready and willing......the tin pot dictators and the Monasantos/Celebrities/Telievisions/Tax payer funded fraud $$$scientists and univershities won't let them.
The US is short of water. There is water rationing in CA, NV, AZ, NM. That deserted land in TX is Dry and also blasted by Tornadoes regularly. The Federal Trust Lands protect watersheds and habitat. In CA, why not build more houses for the homeless? No Water. The aquifers are going dry and that means no more AG. No more AG, no more food. The US has a carrying capacity of 200 million. We are way over that and the wells are running dry
 
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Hello! I see you are from the United States. If you are not 'native American' then your forebears were immigrants at one time or another. God Bless :)
There is no problem with immigration. All countries depend on it greatly.

The problem is when you start saying that anyone, any time should be able to immigrate and just come live in your country.

Cells in our bodies have membranes, cell walls, that descern what comes into it. They allow certain things in and certain things must be removed from inside the cell.

When bad things sneak by, we get sick and can even die.

This is what the boarders of a country do. They allow people in, when we need them and they will benefit the country... We keep them out if they are a threat to the safety of the population.

In relation to the native americans and how they were treated and how all that went down...

I must remind myself of how things were carried out in the lands of Europe for centuries... You simply invaded the land, killed all the men, raped the women and took it over.... In the end, that ethnic or group of people ceased to exist... all of them.. Then you started a new nation.. only to have the same thing done to you in a century or two.

That was the way..

Do you... Do we actually think that if the British and Spanish and Dutch had of just respected the great people who were in this land, back then.... and left them alone... That later, the Germans, Asian or some other power would not have come and wiped them out later?

Do you actually think that they would still be here today?

Sadly, that is not the way of this wretched world.

I think that they were a great people... just that the ways of this world found them and did what they did to every other people of any land that got conquered.

Was it right, was it Christian... nope.... But, that was the way things unfolded for centuries.
 
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This sentiment is not Christianity. This is liberal progressivism.This is what you think when you place CNN above the bible. With this thinking Europe would have been overrun by mohammedans 1200 years ago as is currently happening at present. Christians are being subjected to genocide on a global scale and immigration of people hostile to Christianity is one of the main methods for eliminating us in the west. Viewing the elimination of the body of Christ as a positive because your television tells you that "nations depend on it" is satanic. Unknowingly satanic, but still satanic.

Jesus didn't say "love everyone" because it's not possible for us to love everyone. Finite beings don't possess infinite love. Jesus told us to "love thy neighbor" allowing your neighbors to be displaced by foreign invaders is not love of they neighbor, it's hatred or ambivalence toward thy neighbor.
I guess you missed my next line..

Where I stated: "The problem is when you start saying that anyone, any time should be able to immigrate and just come live in your country."


Maybe read my entire post...
 
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Is this a Christian thing to do or not?

Illegal aliens aren't immigrants and we aren't obligated to allow anyone in. It's certainly not biblical to allow oneself to be invaded and the only mass migrations mentioned in the Old Testament were invasions as punishment by God for disobedience.

These people are here to play the system and take things that aren't theirs. Last I looked, such behavior still violated the Ten Commandments.
 
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That's my concern as well - without naturalization.

Think it's time to change the law that anyone born here is an American to non-American parents.

Birth tourism is apparently big business and the 14th Amendment was written for the descendants of slaves, not people who hop the border to play the system for their profit. Of course, Democrats and many Republicans would stonewall this as they benefit from that stream of cheap labor and take millions in donations from those who likewise benefit. Instead of admitting the profit motive, of course, we're spoon-fed this nonsense about appeals to pity and smeared as xenophobes.
 
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For the time being, Satan is considered the god of this world, but he knows his lease is soon up. If Satan did not have dominion over the earth, he could not have tempted Christ with surrendering that dominion for a bit of worship to him.

Look around, who do you think is running the show here?

2 Corinthians 4:3,4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.


all this is truth, but there is another side to the story: God is stronger than the Evil One. i am not sayig we dont need to be aware of satan's devices- we need to be, to overcome them- but it is helpful to consider life not as doom and gloom but in the light of Christ's victory. Christianity is a faith of hope. not despair.

i do believe resources on this earth are finite. and it is wise to use them carefully. i think many immaigrants do contribute to a nations' s economy in very useful ways and i guess the issue is to make sure that a contry is getting the sort of immigrants who will contribute meaningfully.

i am from the UK, an island nation built up over centuries and centuries of immigration, and we are all the more culturaly rich for it. in the past many immigrants helped to build our economy massively, and have in the majprity of cases been agreat blessing to us. but we are a small island and the government needs God';s wisdom to ensure our small island can give a decent standrard of living to the many immigrants and refugees as well as those of us whose ancestors came here many moons ago. the EU's free movement of peoples did hae soem advantages, yes, but sadly there is a darker side to it- many EU nationals coming here only to be exploited on zero hours contracts and even slave wages and it is unfair of them. our country may get rich off expoliting them and i would actually prefer fewer migrants but ones that are given a decent standard of living as opposed to so many who are trafficked or exploited or left homeless or poor. i am hiping Brexit will improve this even though at same time it could also cause much loss, too.

it a difficult issue with no real black and white answers but God knows.
 
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so many things the UK and USA have benefiited from in the past due to immigrants, things we think of as thouroughly British or American eg

deep pan pizza outlets- Italian migrants in Chicago and New York in late 19th early 20th centuries

fish and chips- not invented in the noth of england as many Yorkshiremen and women like to believe, but from Sephardi Jewish refugees who came to London's east end, selling matzo floured fried fish and potatoes.

Cheesecake- also Jewish, (although i think Ashkenazi, not Sephardi?) popular this time of year as it a Shavout (Pentecost) treat
 
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so many things the UK and USA have benefiited from in the past due to immigrants, things we think of as thouroughly British or American eg

deep pan pizza outlets- Italian migrants in Chicago and New York in late 19th early 20th centuries

fish and chips- not invented in the noth of england as many Yorkshiremen and women like to believe, but from Sephardi Jewish refugees who came to London's east end, selling matzo floured fried fish and potatoes.

Cheesecake- also Jewish, (although i think Ashkenazi, not Sephardi?) popular this time of year as it a Shavout (Pentecost) treat
In America, the carrying capacity of the US is 200 million population. Why? Water! America has land but very little surface water and the underground aquifers are going dry. America pumps its water. Many States, NV, CA, AZ, NM are water rationing and regulating. There are considerations other than Tra La. I suppose England can pack in millions more but I doubt it. And within 20 to 50 years the aquifers in America, source of a major portion of the worlds food supply will be pumped dry. How much food does England import from the US? It has been said that now, if all the toilets in Las Angeles were flushed at once, the State would be completely drained of water. How is it kind or loving to the people already there with nowhere else to go to dump millions more on top of them?
 
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In America, the carrying capacity of the US is 200 million population. Why? Water! America has land but very little surface water and the underground aquifers are going dry. America pumps its water. Many States, NV, CA, AZ, NM are water rationing and regulating. There are considerations other than Tra La. I suppose England can pack in millions more but I doubt it. And within 20 to 50 years the aquifers in America, source of a major portion of the worlds food supply will be pumped dry. How much food does England import from the US? It has been said that now, if all the toilets in Las Angeles were flushed at once, the State would be completely drained of water. How is it kind or loving to the people already there with nowhere else to go to dump millions more on top of them?


good point, which is why i said we need to carefully select ho we have in the country. i also believe that if an immigrant comits a crime in the country they are allowed to move they, they should be deported right away. our prisons are full
 
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good point, which is why i said we need to carefully select ho we have in the country. i also believe that if an immigrant comits a crime in the country they are allowed to move they, they should be deported right away. our prisons are full

They should be deported only after having a fair trial. Otherwise it's tyranny. Think of the USSR, Hitler's Germany, and others.

People have rights!
 
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In America, the carrying capacity of the US is 200 million population. Why? Water! America has land but very little surface water and the underground aquifers are going dry. America pumps its water. Many States, NV, CA, AZ, NM are water rationing and regulating. There are considerations other than Tra La. I suppose England can pack in millions more but I doubt it. And within 20 to 50 years the aquifers in America, source of a major portion of the worlds food supply will be pumped dry. How much food does England import from the US? It has been said that now, if all the toilets in Las Angeles were flushed at once, the State would be completely drained of water. How is it kind or loving to the people already there with nowhere else to go to dump millions more on top of them?

New Mexico (where I live) welcomes immigrants. The state has a large Latino population; the families of some were here when the state became part of the US in 1912. Should they have banned immigrants such as Anglos?

Bigotry is bigotry, plain and simple.
 
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New Mexico (where I live) welcomes immigrants. The state has a large Latino population; the families of some were here when the state became part of the US in 1912. Should they have banned immigrants such as Anglos?

Bigotry is bigotry, plain and simple.
Until the well runs dry. New Mexico has less water than Saudi Arabia. Those nasty buzz words, xenophobe, bigot, racist are not rational arguments for million more immigrants admitted into areas that cannot support the population. Use reason, not nasty, meaningless dog whistle words that have no meaning except to arouse enmity toward people who don't agree with you.
 
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Until the well runs dry. New Mexico has less water than Saudi Arabia. Those nasty buzz words, xenophobe, bigot, racist are not rational arguments for million more immigrants admitted into areas that cannot support the population. Use reason, not nasty, meaningless dog whistle words that have no meaning except to arouse enmity toward people who don't agree with you.

Sorry but bigotry is the appropriate term when a group of people are judged by the country from which they came instead of their character.
 
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Sorry but bigotry is the appropriate term when a group of people are judged by the country from which they came instead of their character.
The words "racist, xenophobe, bigot" are smear words. Those labels are meaningless, nasty, derogatory. If you have any evidence that I or anyone on this website has judged a group of people by the country from which they came, then present that. Don't start name calling in hopes of winning the argument when the argument is not about groups of people but about numbers of people from any group.
This name calling, racist xenophobe, bigot slander has been denounced on other threads. I will not reply to any further post containing those words. Kindergarten na na na racist racist racist is not worth answering.
 
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