Why is it ok to be a fat pastor but not a gay pastor?

[1213]

…I am just expressing concern about people who have dealt with this condition for much of their lives. It is a heavy burden for some to bear…

I can understand it is heavy burden and I am sorry for them. And also, I think homosexuality itself is not the crucial point. That is person righteous or not, is, because eternal life is promised for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

…I just don't think a first grader chooses to express homosexual mannerisms for no reason. And not all gays are effeminate. It is more complicated than my mind can grasp.

People usually do what they are taught to do. All manners people have, seems to come from some example. This is why I think it is very important that we don’t give bad examples. But it is not that simple. If for example man is effeminate, he could get that example from women and adopts it because for some reason likes it more than the opposite. And I think the important question is, why person likes it. And perhaps there are many things that are called “effeminate” without good reason. In Biblical point of view, it is the homosexual act that is not accepted. And I don’t think children would think that, unless some adult is abusing the child.

 

[1213]

ah yes, the sin of eating through your ear. that's a big one

In Bible, eternal life is promised for righteous. And righteousness is like right understanding and attitude, wisdom of the just. I believe person who has the right understanding, doesn’t “eat through his ears”, not even if it is not forbidden.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

 

[SkyWriting]

I would say same about person who tries to eat through his ears, if he otherwise is like normal person.

I've never watched him eat either. It's kind of a personal thing for most.
You shouldn't be talking about you neighbors like that.
James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

 

[SkyWriting]

People usually do what they are taught to do. All manners people have, seems to come from some example. This is why I think it is very important that we don’t give bad examples. But it is not that simple. If for example man is effeminate, he could get that example from women and adopts it because for some reason likes it more than the opposite. And I think the important question is, why person likes it. And perhaps there are many things that are called “effeminate” without good reason. In Biblical point of view, it is the homosexual act that is not accepted. And I don’t think children would think that, unless some adult is abusing the child.

Actually, scripture is referring to infidelity and adultery. Most of the passages include illustrative examples of having more than one partner. Which is the issue no matter the gender.

 

[Neogaia777]

"Eats through his ears"...

Awesome, classic, ha, ha, ha, thanks for making me laugh, lol...

And yes it can be a personal thing for some or most, etc...

Especially when you think there are other things or other beings or other creatures that are or can be behind it sometimes, and whose presences you feel you sense are near, or "very near" in those moments, etc...

And whom you've seen has some power with or over "other things" also, or as well, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[SkyWriting]

In Bible, eternal life is promised for righteous. And righteousness is like right understanding and attitude, wisdom of the just. I believe person who has the right understanding, doesn’t “eat through his ears”, not even if it is not forbidden. These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Mat. 25:46

No judgments should be made before Judgment day.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

What Does the Bible Say About Judgment Day?

 

[SkyWriting]

People usually do what they are taught to do.

We teach children to be accepting of our neighbors.

What Does the Bible Say About Neighbors?

 

[Hazelelponi]

What worries me I guess is this wave of acceptance that is being pushed for homosexuality. Don’t get me wrong, all sexual sin is bad but there seems to be a real push towards acceptance of homosexuality these days. I’ve struggled with many sexual sins, and the Holy Spirit has changed me!!! It’s just sad to see more and more pushing for acceptance of sin than seeing the Spirit of God changing peoples lives. I wonder, where has the loving conviction of God’s Spirit that produces repentance gone? Or maybe some are just rejecting it? I dunno but I think I’m just rambling now, have a good evening everyone!!!

I have a feeling most don't even understand the concept...

 

[Hazelelponi]

You being attracted to the opposite sex is not a sin though! The fact that I am only attracted to men is a sin. My only option is to be totally celibate in life and accept that I absolutely have to be single FOREVER. However, I am sure you will some day settle down with a partner of the opposite sex that you decide to marry. Of course this struggle is a bigger burden. I absolutely can never experience something like that because of this cross I have to carry.

Have you not read the bible?

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28

lust is sin.. period... it doesn't matter which sex your going all giggly over, in this respect...

The only physical desire (visual and physical) concerning the sexual is to be kept solely within the covenant of marriage, which is mankind's outlet for the sexual.

 

[public hermit]

As someone who only is attracted to other men I can definitely say I never ever chose to have gay feelings. This is my number one struggle. Unless you are in my shoes you don't know how hard of a struggle it is. I think people just love to levitate being gay as ultimate sin. However, we are sinful creatures for many reasons.

The problem is those with attraction to the opposite sex should be able to empathize. They don't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex, they just are. And they don't get to decide when the urges from that attraction arise, they just do. If they understand themselves, they should be able to empathize with you.

 

[Ayenew]

but what if it is your nature? then being heterosexual would be going against your nature

There is no such nature according to the Christian faith. The belief that there is such a nature, by itself, is against the faith. That's the truth.

 

[alan650]

Have you not read the bible?

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28

lust is sin.. period... it doesn't matter which sex your going all giggly over, in this respect...

The only physical desire (visual and physical) concerning the sexual is to be kept solely within the covenant of marriage, which is mankind's outlet for the sexual.

You are confusing "lust" with "attraction". If males and females were never attracted to each other we never would have populated to begin with! God put that attraction between them. I still don't understand why I am attracted to men but that is the burden I guess I have to face in my life as I approach 35 years old in May and things still haven't changed. Also, you mention how marriage is the only outlet for sex and I say YES IT IS. Hence why my attraction to only men is such the burden and struggle it is. God does not ordain a marriage between men.

 

[High Fidelity]

I've made this argument in the past and it falls on deaf ears.

Ironically there's a lot of obese people lining up to point the finger at gays. Obesity has become normalised.

But yes, it's every bit as much a sin as homosexuality with the same punishment and destination.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

The bible clearly states that gluttony is a sin and that the body is a temple of the holy spirit and should be honored.

It would seem then that people who are overweight are clearly in sin (barring medical conditions)

So why is it acceptable to be a fat pastor in sin, but not a gay pastor in sin?

We all fall short in our abilities to be the best, most perfect version of ourselves. People who struggle with weight are simply the people with the struggle that’s harder to hide.

If you are lucky enough to have a struggle that’s not readily apparent to the outside world, count your blessings and work on the struggle that you deal with which makes you feel entitled to judge the people with the struggles you see differently than you judge the ones with the struggles you don’t.

 

[alan650]

There are some, even in the bible, who feel that one can serve God more when remaining single. Is this such a terrible idea to ponder? Serving God more freely?

The God I serve can do anything..... the is nothing impossible for Him. Do you feel the same about the God you serve?

Does He not have the power to change your desires if you do not wish to have them anymore?

Is there anything too hard for your god?

This kind of stuff really does not help someone going through what I am. You make it seem like I need to pray harder or that throwing these verses at me will somehow make you understand my struggle. You are not in my shoes. I am going on 35 years old now and I have struggled since I was 11 at least. I already said I have to choose the single life because there would be no other option for me since I've never had attraction to a woman. However, the way you present your arguments comes across quite condescending and "finger-wagging".

 

[Hazelelponi]

You are confusing "lust" with "attraction". If males and females were never attracted to each other we never would have populated to begin with! God put that attraction between them. I still don't understand why I am attracted to men but that is the burden I guess I have to face in my life as I approach 35 years old in May and things still haven't changed. Also, you mention how marriage is the only outlet for sex and I say YES IT IS. Hence why my attraction to only men is such the burden and struggle it is. God does not ordain a marriage between men.

Have you ever really prayed?

Most people when they pray, they spend a few minutes asking for things they want.. I want x I want x

Have you ever just worshipped Him, because He exists and is Himself?

Do you just love God, and desire to conform to His will, and His image because Hes so awesome?

"And he brought us out from there, that he might bring us in and give us the land that he swore to give to our fathers." Deuteronomy 6:23

 

[Strong in Him]

There is no such nature according to the Christian faith. The belief that there is such a nature, by itself, is against the faith. That's the truth.

I don't know about that.
When sin came into the world, so did sickness, decay and death. We live in a fallen world, which is why some babies are born with disabilities. Everything has fallen, and been messed up, which may well include our sexuality and sexual preferences too. It was God's will that we have male and female - that's how he created us. But nowadays people can be born who are outwardly female but strongly see themselves as male, and vice versa. There can also, I believe, be people born who are strongly drawn to others of their own gender.
It was not God's ideal in the beginning, but I don't believe this is their fault - any more than having Down's Syndrome is someone's fault. It is also not something they chose and can help - just as I didn't choose to be female and heterosexual, have green eyes, 3 brothers or anything else. It IS the way they are.

 

[alan650]

Have you ever really prayed?

Most people when they pray, they spend a few minutes asking for things they want.. I want x I want x

Have you ever just worshipped Him, because He exists and is Himself?

Do you just love God, and desire to conform to His will, and His image because Hes so awesome?

"And he brought us out from there, that he might bring us in and give us the land that he swore to give to our fathers." Deuteronomy 6:23

I have done every type of prayer and pray to God daily. You sound like you're implying that I haven't prayed hard enough to be rid of these same sex attractions. That is not helpful to say to anyone. I've come to accept the fact that after all these years it's God's will for me to carry this burden daily. Paul had a thorn at his side that God never removed after all.

 

[topher694]

You know sometimes I think I only do this sometimes, just to ruffle your guys feathers or get you up in arms about over, like me or something I said, just to do it sometimes, etc, not that I'm lying, but and/or because I told you I'm not gay, etc, but by the way I described it, I knew some of you would or might think that, and talk, etc, and I think I did it on purpose, etc...

It only matters what God and I say about me, period, etc, and I could care less for the rest of your guys pitiful little very narrow and limited "opinions", and I think I just proved that, etc...

Anyway sometimes I think I do it on purpose, etc...

Talk, talk, talk...

And from most of the time very narrow and limited perspectives and/or points of views, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

You should look into what the Bible says about the type of behavior you described.

 

[Neogaia777]

You should look into what the Bible says about the type of behavior you described.

And you should look to your own Savior, our own Savior, about the type of behavior I described, etc...

He knew it was a problem with humans and humankind, etc... (The two posts of mine after the one you just quoted, etc)...

Anyway,

God Bless!