Why is it ok to be a fat pastor but not a gay pastor?

[Neogaia777]

For the record, I know I'm not gay, not that there would be necessarily anything wrong with it if were, and is kind of my point, as long as they are commited to being abstinent or celebate, (which I am BTW) (and am fully comitted to being and staying) but, i am saying i have considered it before, questioned myself about it for a period of time before, etc, there is a song that where singer went through a period of time when he said he might have thought about it for a time or considered it, but then found out he just wasn't, etc, as he got a little older, more mature, etc, anyway, i do have a mental disorder though, and it starts with what I'm hearing and how I am applying it or what I'm hearing, etc, and, being always aware of that, and not be able to control either always applying things (to other things) in general, or having no control over how and what and which way, and how, or to, or what for, or towards, or from what/where, etc...

Anyway doing that applying all of the time, or some other words are idenfying, relating, associating, etc, and doing that all of time, and not being able to control it, not only is there a lot of mental stress and strain, but some of the ways things are being apllied (and how they shift all of the time) (and quickly sometimes), anyway, has side effects, because of what you or me or I, am hearing and the way it's being applied, or your applying it, etc is a "trigger moment or event", and people responed very differently to being "triggered" in this way or by this, but I am to afraid to have a "behavior" of some kind, like responding in and with anger and the like, so for me it can be crippling fear sometimes, and the side effects from that can one think those side effects are or mean something else, etc, when it doesn't mean anything else other than what it is.

Anyway, i also know that I like women sexually, and think men and especially gay men are sick and gross or disgusting to me, (or not that they are, but there sin is, etc, or their gay way or ways, i guess you could say, or practicing homosexual lifestyle, especially sexually, etc) very put off and turned off by it, etc, to me it is gross and sick and disgusting, but there are people in society now who even want to rob or even being able to have those kinds of thoughts about it now, in today's society now, tells you you can't feel that way about it or them anymore, and tries to strip of the right to even think it, etc, trying to eliminate a part of the truth that would keep you from being unsure about your sex, sexual orientation, etc, cause that disgusting feeling is also perfectly natural, but many will try to tell you it is not, and it's wrong, etc...

Anyway, I have some mental health issues and/or problems that wreak havoc on the mind and the body in many more ways then one, etc, nervous system, etc, doesn't mean I'm gay, most of the time just afraid about what and how my mind was just doing, most usually starting with sound and/or hearing, etc...

Anyway, I know what it really is, etc, and understand what my actions and reactions truly are and what they are all about, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[klutedavid]

For the record, I know I'm not gay, not that there would be necessarily anything wrong with it if were, and is kind of my point, as long as they are commited to being abstinent or celebate, (which I am BTW) (and am fully comitted to being and staying) but, i am saying i have considered it before, questioned myself about it for a period of time before, etc, there is a song that where singer went through a period of time when he said he might have thought about it for a time or considered it, but then found out he just wasn't, etc, as he got a little older, more mature, etc, anyway, i do have a mental disorder though, and it starts with what I'm hearing and how I am applying it or what I'm hearing, etc, and, being always aware of that, and not be able to control either always applying things (to other things) in general, or having no control over how and what and which way, and how, or to, or what for, or towards, or from what/where, etc...

Anyway doing that applying all of the time, or some other words are idenfying, relating, associating, etc, and doing that all of time, and not being able to control it, not only is there a lot of mental stress and strain, but some of the ways things are being apllied (and how they shift all of the time) (and quickly sometimes), anyway, has side effects, because of what you or me or I, am hearing and the way it's being applied or yoyr applying it, etc is a "trigger moment or event", and people responed very differently to being "triggered" in this way or by this, but I am to afraid to have a "behavior" of some kind, like responding in and with anger and the like, so for me it can be crippling fear sometimes, and the side effects from that can one think those side effects are or mean something else, etc, when it doesn't mean anything else other than what it is.

Anyway, i also know that I like women sexually, and think men and especially gay men are sick and gross or disgusting to me, (or not that they are, but there sin is, etc, or their gay way or ways, i guess you could say, or practicing homosexual lifestyle, especially sexually, etc) very put off and turned off by it, etc, to me it is gross and sick and disgusting, but there are people in society now who even want to rob or even being able to have those kinds of thoughts about it now, in today's society now, tells you you can't feel that way about it or them anymore, and tries to strip of the right to even think it, etc, trying to eliminate a part of the truth that would keep you from being unsure about your sex, sexual orientation, etc, cause that disgusting feeling is also perfectly natural, but many will try to tell you it is not, and it's wrong, etc...

Anyway, I have some mental health issues and/or problems that wreak havoc on the mind and the body in many more ways then one, etc, nervous system, etc, doesn't mean I'm gay, most of the time just afraid about what and how my mind was just doing, most usually starting with sound and/or hearing, etc...

Anyway, I know what it really is, etc, and understand what my actions and reactions truly are and what they are all about, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

I read your post.

But what about being obese and pointing the finger at other sinners like homosexuals?

Is it o.k to be a glutton and lazy yet vilify homosexuals?

 

[Tra Phull]

Strongs G5314
Phagos
Glutton, gluttonous man

 

[Neogaia777]

I read your post.

But what about being obese and pointing the finger at other sinners like homosexuals?

Is it o.k to be a glutton and lazy yet vilify homosexuals?

I don't think any of it is OK, and God knows the individual heart of each individual and whether they are being a glutton (or homeosexual) in their heart, or and if they are proud or arrogant or rebellious or stubborn in that heart that is or was sinning, or else was not really sinning, etc, in that heart, etc anyway, "etc", let God be the judge, etc...

As for them being pastors or holding places in church or whatnot, IDK? And right now I am just glad that I'm not the one who has to make such decisions right now, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Zachm531]

but if you are born gay, how is that not the natural order of things?

Jesus says you need to be born again.

 

[Apex]

homosexuality is against nature.

Are you saying this because homosexual acts, like anal sex, use parts of the human body in ways that contrast their biological function?

If so, this argument seems inconsistent since we use many of our body parts in ways that are "against nature". For example, have you ever licked a stamp? Have you ever used an anal suppository? Do you know anyone with their ears pierced?

The tongue's function is to assist in chewing, swallowing, and tasting food. It also assists with speech.
The anus' function is to assist in the removal of waste from the body.
The earlobe's function is partly acoustical. They help block sounds emitted behind your ear and help you to distinguish where a certain sound is coming from.

We even use products made from animal parts in "unnatural" ways. For example, we use horse hair to make violin bows and cow skin to make jackets.

None of these biological parts were originally "designed" to do these things, but we do not call these things sinful because they are being used for a different function.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So why is it acceptable to be a fat pastor in sin, but not a gay pastor in sin?

Because God said so.

As far as I know, gluttony is not a damnable sin, practicing homosexuality is, that simple.

 

[Kenny'sID]

so you'll condemn a gay person sinning but not a fat person sinning...hmmm

God will, go "hmmm" him. Not even sure why people come here and argue these points with Christians, even if they could get someone to agree with them and help them justify their dirty deeds, it's not like we have any say in the matter, not in the end anyway,

God said practicing homosexuality ends with hell, and he said no such thing about gluttons that I know of. So, what do you hope to gain here?

 

[SkyWriting]

We do not look at a fat priest and judge him. That is up to his bishop. Gluttony is a private sin best left to his father confessor. Homosexuality is a public sin demonstrating that a person has fallen away from the faith.It is the same to say of a homosexual priest who does not flaunt his sin. It is left to the bishop.

Since when is gluttony not visible??

 

[SkyWriting]

Because God said so.

As far as I know, gluttony is not a damnable sin, practicing homosexuality is, that simple.

Gluttony is private and being gay is public? I guess you don't know about the gays in your family then.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

Huh what?
Its natural to desire for a woman, its natural to eat, its not natural to desire a sex with the same gender. Its against nature, its perverted.

Most sins are just natural things out of control, homosexuality is against nature.

its human nature to seek self gratification and sexual pleasure. It’s actually grotesquely against human nature to fill your stomach with food until you can’t move

 

[GaveMeJoy]

What I said in the first place stands as correct.

Yes. One of two fat Christians you have ever met have a viable reason and the rest are gluttonous and have food addiction

 

[GaveMeJoy]

Gluttony is private and being gay is public? I guess you don't know about the gays in your family then.

Yea last time I checked being fat was impossible to hide and being gay is actually pretty easy to hide lol

 

[GaveMeJoy]

No, I've never met anyone who was overweight without serious health issues that caused it.

I have an overweight BIL (by marriage) but he has end stage COPD and the weight came on when he stopped the ability to be active...

I have a SIL who is overweight but she has a thyroid condition.. I eat about 3x more than she does and since I'm disabled I'm far far less active whereas she runs around a hospital 12 hours a day, yet I don't have issues with my weight and she does - even with medications.

Some people are genetically disposed to being larger people as well...

I don't think we can ever judge books by their cover... only GOD can judge the heart..

And to some degree it's the same with homosexuals. We should encourage people in Christ, we should love everyone in Christ, we should share the Gospel with the lost..

However, I cannot say that a homosexual lifestyle is right, it's an abomination. However, just like we may find ourselves falling back into sin and need to come back to Christ in repentance, so may a homosexually predisposed individual who has a struggle or a moment of weakness.

I don't agree with homosexual lifestyles being paraded in churches as if sin is non-existent.. but like my husband once said, perhaps the liberal churches aren't all bad, since they need Christ too..

But I'll never condone it as being acceptable to God, I've actually read the Bible.

I’m sorry but this is just objectively false information about obesity. Only severe hormonal issues or medical problems contribute to obesity in very rare circumstances. It’s basic freshmen level human nutrition: if a person eats 2500 calories per day (the normal recommended amount) it’s physically impossible for them to be obese. Things like health conditions, lack of exercise can lead to being overweight but anyone who falls into the obese and morbidly obese categories is an overeater 99% of the time. It’s absolutely science it’s not my opinion google literally anything on human nutrition

 

[GaveMeJoy]

That may be, but to whom is it up to to decide who is "too fat" for anything more than gluttony?

It still falls on ones own assumptions and judgement.

I never said there was legit reason for soneone to sin, nor did I say it was ever acceptable, but there is a difference between assumed sin and known sin.

If you think I made excusess for sin, read my post again.

I apologize and I removed the bit from my post about excuses for sin.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don’t think being fat means that person has sin, or has necessary committed gluttony (is characterized by a limitless appetite for food and drink and overindulgence to the point where one is no…). But anyway, at least that person knows for what different body parts are for. If person would try to eat through his ear, because it is also hole in the head, I would think that could be compared to having gay sex.

I've lived across the street from a gay man for 20 years, and he is quite normal.

 

[SkyWriting]

I’m sorry but this is just objectively false information about obesity. Only severe hormonal issues or medical problems contribute to obesity in very rare circumstances. It’s basic freshmen level human nutrition: if a person eats 2500 calories per day (the normal recommended amount) it’s physically impossible for them to be obese. Things like health conditions, lack of exercise can lead to being overweight but anyone who falls into the obese and morbidly obese categories is an overeater 99% of the time. It’s absolutely science it’s not my opinion google literally anything on human nutrition

And it's far more exposed than homosexuals are. Especially in the summer.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

One of my family traits is an extremely high metabolism. For my daughter it was an actual fight to get enough calories in her to keep her weight at 100 lbs, and her doctors wanted her at 110. It was a daily struggle.

I'm the same, when I was young it was near impossible to keep my weight at what the doctors considered "healthy". When my father died, because my emotional state was distressed I kept throwing up.. I couldn't keep food in, and with my metabolism I almost ended up in the hospital for anorexia...it darn near killed me.

Thing is, when I was young other young women seriously hated me. I could sit with an entire cheesecake and eat the whole thing and not gain an ounce.

Yet - me periodically binging like that (which helped keep my weight up in a doctor approved healthy weight) is far closer to "gluttony" than anything I've seen out of what I would consider an overweight person!

So once more, you can't judge a book by its cover.

I agree anorexia is also terrible and very sad. I’m sorry you experienced that but am glad you have apparently overcome by God’s power.

I think my hope is for the same victory for people like my mom and myself (before I lost all my weight) who are getting diabetes and dying because their food addiction and unhealthy lifestyle sins are largely accepted by the Christian church.

I think in many cases of morbidly obese people the elders of the church need to step in before that person’s sin of gluttony ends their actual life but I’ve never heard of this happening ever.

 

[SkyWriting]

God will, go "hmmm" him. Not even sure why people come here and argue these points with Christians, even if they could get someone to agree with them and help them justify their dirty deeds, it's not like we have any say in the matter.

God said practicing homosexuality ends with hell, and he said no such thing about gluttons that I know of. So, what do you hope to gain here?

People see only what they want to see. You have that backwards. Homosexuality in not mentioned in Sodom's destruction.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

Philippians 3:19
Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.

Proverbs 23:20-21
Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Proverbs 23:2
And put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite.

Psalm 78:18
They tested God in their heart by demanding the food they craved.

Philippians 3:18-19
For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Proverbs 23:1-3
When you sit down to eat with a ruler, observe carefully what is before you, and put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite. Do not desire his delicacies, for they are deceptive food.

Deuteronomy 21:20-21
And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

For the record, I know I'm not gay, not that there would be necessarily anything wrong with it if were, and is kind of my point, as long as they are commited to being abstinent or celebate, (which I am BTW) (and am fully comitted to being and staying) but, i am saying i have considered it before, questioned myself about it for a period of time before, etc, there is a song that where singer went through a period of time when he said he might have thought about it for a time or considered it, but then found out he just wasn't, etc, as he got a little older, more mature, etc, anyway, i do have a mental disorder though, and it starts with what I'm hearing and how I am applying it or what I'm hearing, etc, and, being always aware of that, and not be able to control either always applying things (to other things) in general, or having no control over how and what and which way, and how, or to, or what for, or towards, or from what/where, etc...

Anyway doing that applying all of the time, or some other words are idenfying, relating, associating, etc, and doing that all of time, and not being able to control it, not only is there a lot of mental stress and strain, but some of the ways things are being apllied (and how they shift all of the time) (and quickly sometimes), anyway, has side effects, because of what you or me or I, am hearing and the way it's being applied, or your applying it, etc is a "trigger moment or event", and people responed very differently to being "triggered" in this way or by this, but I am to afraid to have a "behavior" of some kind, like responding in and with anger and the like, so for me it can be crippling fear sometimes, and the side effects from that can one think those side effects are or mean something else, etc, when it doesn't mean anything else other than what it is.

Anyway, i also know that I like women sexually, and think men and especially gay men are sick and gross or disgusting to me, (or not that they are, but there sin is, etc, or their gay way or ways, i guess you could say, or practicing homosexual lifestyle, especially sexually, etc) very put off and turned off by it, etc, to me it is gross and sick and disgusting, but there are people in society now who even want to rob or even being able to have those kinds of thoughts about it now, in today's society now, tells you you can't feel that way about it or them anymore, and tries to strip of the right to even think it, etc, trying to eliminate a part of the truth that would keep you from being unsure about your sex, sexual orientation, etc, cause that disgusting feeling is also perfectly natural, but many will try to tell you it is not, and it's wrong, etc...

Anyway, I have some mental health issues and/or problems that wreak havoc on the mind and the body in many more ways then one, etc, nervous system, etc, doesn't mean I'm gay, most of the time just afraid about what and how my mind was just doing, most usually starting with sound and/or hearing, etc...

Anyway, I know what it really is, etc, and understand what my actions and reactions truly are and what they are all about, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

I like your position on abstinent celibate unmarried gay Christians. If you look through all of the scripture on homosexuality none of it contradicts that (admittedly rare) application. One could have homosexual feelings or tendencies and as long as they were abstinent/celibate they would not be in sin. There is a famous biblical scholar who does conference appearances that is that way.