Why is it ok to be a fat pastor but not a gay pastor?

[Albion]

Almost every obese person in the United States is this way primarily because of overeating, poor food choices, and food addiction. Don’t make excuses for the majority because 2% of them have legitimate thyroid issues lol

What I said in the first place stands as correct.

 

[d taylor]

Huh what?
Its natural to desire for a woman, its natural to eat, its not natural to desire a sex with the same gender. Its against nature, its perverted.

Most sins are just natural things out of control, homosexuality is against nature.

homosexuality is a sin against God, not against nature saying that is a sin against nature, that makes nature out to be some kind of being.

 

[Hazelelponi]

This is ridiculous.
Being morbidly obese is also not natural and shows a total perversion of one’s mind. The amount of caloric intake required to be morbidly obese like so many of these pastors is mind boggling, they must be eating pizzas all day it’s sick. The OP is right it’s a joke fat pastors, their wives, and elders get a pass for obvious sin

One of my family traits is an extremely high metabolism. For my daughter it was an actual fight to get enough calories in her to keep her weight at 100 lbs, and her doctors wanted her at 110. It was a daily struggle.

I'm the same, when I was young it was near impossible to keep my weight at what the doctors considered "healthy". When my father died, because my emotional state was distressed I kept throwing up.. I couldn't keep food in, and with my metabolism I almost ended up in the hospital for anorexia...it darn near killed me.

Thing is, when I was young other young women seriously hated me. I could sit with an entire cheesecake and eat the whole thing and not gain an ounce.

Yet - me periodically binging like that (which helped keep my weight up in a doctor approved healthy weight) is far closer to "gluttony" than anything I've seen out of what I would consider an overweight person!

So once more, you can't judge a book by its cover.

 

[DNB]

The bible clearly states that gluttony is a sin and that the body is a temple of the holy spirit and should be honored.

It would seem then that people who are overweight are clearly in sin (barring medical conditions)

So why is it acceptable to be a fat pastor in sin, but not a gay pastor in sin?

Very interesting point. Now whether we define gluttony as over-eating, or not, I don't believe that that is necessarily your point. You are simply talking about a form of excess, or unbridled passion.
In other words, I would agree that equally, both biblical gluttony and homosexuality are hedonistic.
But, I personally do not consider all sins equal, at least not in this context.
Homosexuality was a capital crime, a whole city was wiped out because of it, even Lot and the Levite (in Judges) thought it better for men to rape a woman, than a man (as a lesser of two evils, for sure).
The explicit and emphatic imprecations throughout the Bible, against homosexuality, testify to its egregious nature over other sins (much more is said about homosexuality in a more austere measure, than is gluttony).
That's why we would have more disdain for a homosexual priest, than a gluttonous one.

But, I must say, both will cause some level of indignation, for sure, as again, both display an act of hedonism. Just as I would for a pastor who smokes, has tattoos (recently), gambles, swears, drinks, arrogance, etc...

 

[Jamdoc]

The bible clearly states that gluttony is a sin and that the body is a temple of the holy spirit and should be honored.

It would seem then that people who are overweight are clearly in sin (barring medical conditions)

So why is it acceptable to be a fat pastor in sin, but not a gay pastor in sin?

What does Romans 1:27-28 say about homosexuality?

 

[Jamdoc]

But over-eating surely is not natural either.

What's unnatural is our overprocessed food. Our GMO semi-dwarf wheat (with celiac disease rates exploding through the roof as a result..), our High Fructose Corn Syrup, our Trans-fatty acids, our refined sugar loaded in every meal, our preservatives and artificial colors and flavors, our Hormone injected poultry, our antibiotic saturated beef.

If we ate the way they did 100 years ago, even overeating, we would not have nearly so many fat people.
Overeating is "natural" in a way, God created a reward system in our brain for eating, we derive pleasure from eating, so yes, of course if food is plentiful people overeat, naturally. If you place any animal (with the same eating reward circuitry in their brain) in front of plentiful food they will overeat. It takes discipline to resist natural urges to keep eating until you're stuffed, and because of our sedentary unnatural lifestyles where we use machines for transport and labor, we don't raise our basal metabolic rate high enough through regular exercise to handle the overeating we do.
So no.
Obesity is not unnatural.
Obesity is a result of a natural body in an unnatural environment.

 

[Sketcher]

The bible clearly states that gluttony is a sin and that the body is a temple of the holy spirit and should be honored.

It would seem then that people who are overweight are clearly in sin (barring medical conditions)

So why is it acceptable to be a fat pastor in sin, but not a gay pastor in sin?

You seem to be acknowledging medical conditions as a reason why fat people wouldn't be in sin. Why shouldn't those people serve as pastors if called by God to pastor?

For the record, I'm fine with a gay pastor as long as he is celibate. I am fine with a bisexual pastor if he is celibate or married to a woman.

 

[coffee4u]

but if you are born gay, how is that not the natural order of things?

No one is born gay, it's a learnt response from many inner and outside influences over childhood and the early teen years.

The real question with the gay paster isn't if he is gay or not, it's if he is celibate or not.

Temptation itself isn't wrong, it's acting on the temptation, defending the temptation and glorifying the temptation that is wrong.

 

[Jamdoc]

I don't see how you can be actively homosexual and love God. Unsaved, I can see homosexual, if they get saved, there are a lot of cases of "former" homosexuals or bisexuals as a result. But if they've received the gospel and reject it and continue in homosexual activity? God hating reprobates.

 

[Tra Phull]

Jesus was accused of being a glutton and a wine-bibber

Fat gay pastors might have a basketball league to work off pounds, but I don't think exercise would affect their sexual orientation, which seems to be established at an early age, and not be a "choice"

I did not choose to be heterosexual

Seems to have been established way early, well before puberty, I had to sit next to a certain girl in kindergarten for cookies and koolaid, thought I would die if I didn't

A basketball game between "gluttons and wine-bibbers" and fat gay pastors might be interesting, but I really don't see a New Testament distinction between CLERGY and LAITY

 

[Tra Phull]

In fact, a class distinction between CLERGY and LAITY may tie in to the doctrine of the Nicolaitians

 

[Salvadore]

We do not look at a fat priest and judge him. That is up to his bishop. Gluttony is a private sin best left to his father confessor. Homosexuality is a public sin demonstrating that a person has fallen away from the faith.

It is the same to say of a homosexual priest who does not flaunt his sin. It is left to the bishop.

I don’t think being fat means that person has sin, or has necessary committed gluttony (is characterized by a limitless appetite for food and drink and overindulgence to the point where one is no…). But anyway, at least that person knows for what different body parts are for. If person would try to eat through his ear, because it is also hole in the head, I would think that could be compared to having gay sex.

I am sorry but I just had to laugh about putting food in one's ear. I do not understand why small children have gay mannerisms already. Some kids in first grade who are effeminate grow to become homosexual. So I think homosexuality is a very difficult condition. While heterosexuals are enjoying sex homosexuals must refrain.
I am not condoning homosexuality. I am just expressing concern about people who have dealt with this condition for much of their lives. It is a heavy burden for some to bear. I prefer to let God be the judge because I do not want to be judged harshly. I think many ministers have changed their minds about homosexuality and it's expression in a loving committed relationship. I am not there yet. I just don't think a first grader chooses to express homosexual mannerisms for no reason. And not all gays are effeminate. It is more complicated than my mind can grasp.

 

[Tra Phull]

A PASTOR is an office, a function

All Christians are a "royal priesthood" - like, priesthood of believers

But a CASTE SYSTEM of clergy and laity seems bogus

 

[Tra Phull]

We shouldn't put beans in our ears, either

 

[Salvadore]

We do not look at a fat priest and judge him. That is up to his bishop. Gluttony is a private sin best left to his father confessor. Homosexuality is a public sin demonstrating that a person has fallen away from the faith.

It is the same to say of a homosexual priest who does not flaunt his sin. It is left to the bishop.

I don’t think being fat means that person has sin, or has necessary committed gluttony (is characterized by a limitless appetite for food and drink and overindulgence to the point where one is no…). But anyway, at least that person knows for what different body parts are for. If person would try to eat through his ear, because it is also hole in the head, I would think that could be compared to having gay sex.

I am sorry but I just had to laugh about putting food in one's ear. I do not understand why small children have gay mannerisms already. Some kids in first grade who are effeminate grow to become homosexual. So I think homosexuality is a very difficult condition. While heterosexuals are enjoying sex homosexuals must refrain.
I am not condoning homosexuality. I am just expressing concern about people who have dealt with this condition for much of their lives. It is a heavy burden for some to bear. I prefer to let God be the judge because I do not want to be judged harshly. I think many ministers have changed their minds about homosexuality and it's expression in a loving committed relationship. I am not there yet. I just don't think a first grader chooses to express homosexual mannerisms for no reason. And not all gays are effeminate. It is more complicated than my mind can grasp.

 

[Tra Phull]

Matthew 11:19

Luke 7:34

 

[ewq1938]

The bible clearly states that gluttony is a sin

Gluttony is not about being fat.

glutton
H2151
???
za^lal
zaw-lal'
A primitive root (compare H2107); to shake (as in the wind), that is, to quake; figuratively to be loose morally, worthless or prodigal: - blow down, glutton, riotous (eater), vile.

H2151
???
za^lal
BDB Definition:
1) to be worthless, be vile, be insignificant, be light
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be worthless, be insignificant
1a2) to make light of, squander, be lavish with
2) to shake, tremble, quake
1a) (Niphal) to shake, quake
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root [compare H2107]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 553

A glutton is not a fat person but a person with shaky or questionable morals with no regard to body size.

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Christ was accused of gluttony but not because he was fat or ate too much but he was seen eating and drinking with sinners and publicans so the Jews thought him to be of questionable morals. Of course, there is no evidence at all that he overate or overdrank. It was more about who he spent his time with that the Jews tried to use against him.


Pro 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
Pro 23:21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.

"of flesh"

H1320
?????
ba^s´a^r
baw-sawr'
From H1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension body, person; also (by euphemism) the pudenda of a man: - body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, + nakedness, self, skin.

Being that the definition of gluttony does not mention food or body size/weight, and by euphemism the "eating of flesh" is a reference to immoral sexual activity involving the male reproductive organ I believe we can safely understand this is not about eating too much meat as food but drunkiness and sexual immorality. Remember that gluttony means to be of shaky or questionable morals so in this verse it is questionable sexual morals.

 

[klutedavid]

What's unnatural is our overprocessed food. Our GMO semi-dwarf wheat (with celiac disease rates exploding through the roof as a result..), our High Fructose Corn Syrup, our Trans-fatty acids, our refined sugar loaded in every meal, our preservatives and artificial colors and flavors, our Hormone injected poultry, our antibiotic saturated beef.

If we ate the way they did 100 years ago, even overeating, we would not have nearly so many fat people.
Overeating is "natural" in a way, God created a reward system in our brain for eating, we derive pleasure from eating, so yes, of course if food is plentiful people overeat, naturally. If you place any animal (with the same eating reward circuitry in their brain) in front of plentiful food they will overeat. It takes discipline to resist natural urges to keep eating until you're stuffed, and because of our sedentary unnatural lifestyles where we use machines for transport and labor, we don't raise our basal metabolic rate high enough through regular exercise to handle the overeating we do.
So no.
Obesity is not unnatural.
Obesity is a result of a natural body in an unnatural environment.

Laziness is a culprit also. Exercising burns calories.

Not only are the majority of society overweight, they have not exercised since school.

 

[redleghunter]

I'm the one asking questions here.

Given the bizarre comparison you make maybe you should examine your questions.

 

[klutedavid]

Gluttony is not about being fat.

glutton
H2151
???
za^lal
zaw-lal'
A primitive root (compare H2107); to shake (as in the wind), that is, to quake; figuratively to be loose morally, worthless or prodigal: - blow down, glutton, riotous (eater), vile.

H2151
???
za^lal
BDB Definition:
1) to be worthless, be vile, be insignificant, be light
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be worthless, be insignificant
1a2) to make light of, squander, be lavish with
2) to shake, tremble, quake
1a) (Niphal) to shake, quake
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root [compare H2107]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 553

A glutton is not a fat person but a person with shaky or questionable morals with no regard to body size.

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Christ was accused of gluttony but not because he was fat or ate too much but he was seen eating and drinking with sinners and publicans so the Jews thought him to be of questionable morals. Of course, there is no evidence at all that he overate or overdrank. It was more about who he spent his time with that the Jews tried to use against him.


Pro 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
Pro 23:21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.

"of flesh"

H1320
?????
ba^s´a^r
baw-sawr'
From H1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension body, person; also (by euphemism) the pudenda of a man: - body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, + nakedness, self, skin.

Being that the definition of gluttony does not mention food or body size/weight, and by euphemism the "eating of flesh" is a reference to immoral sexual activity involving the male reproductive organ I believe we can safely understand this is not about eating too much meat as food but drunkiness and sexual immorality. Remember that gluttony means to be of shaky or questionable morals so in this verse it is questionable sexual morals.

Common usage defines gluttony as excessive eating.

Gluttony means over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or wealth items, particularly as status symbols. In Christianity, it is considered a sin if the excessive desire for food causes it to be withheld from the needy. Some Christian denominations consider gluttony one of the seven deadly sins. Wikipedia