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I think I already know the answer to this but do the Episcopal/Anglican Churches have weekly Eucharist/communion? And do they believe in the Real Presence? Is this belief similar to the Lutheran belief of real presence or closer to the Catholic Transubstantion?
 

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Hello, Liza Marie.

I think I already know the answer to this but do the Episcopal/Anglican Churches have weekly Eucharist/communion?

Many do, but some have it every other week or once a month. If the congregation is large enough, there is likely to be one service that always has Communion and another service in which it is offered every other week or something like that.

And do they believe in the Real Presence?
Yes.

Is this belief similar to the Lutheran belief of real presence or closer to the Catholic Transubstantion?
Similar in being a belief in the Real Presence, but unlike both of those churches in that there is no stipulation that the presence is carnal, literally physical.

If there needs to be an answer about which of the other two--Roman Catholic or Lutheran--the standard Anglican view is closer to, it would be the Lutheran. The problem, an Anglican might say, would be that both the Catholic and the Lutheran views are unnecessarily convoluted and mechanical. The Anglican view is stated simply as the Real Presence received in a heavenly and spiritual way.
 
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Parishes in the Episcopal Church in the US normally have communion every Sunday, unless there is an unusual circumstance. @Albion , is it common for Continuing Anglican parishes to offer communion less often?

I don't have information on the frequency of communion in Anglican churches outside the US.
 
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Parishes in the Episcopal Church in the US normally have communion every Sunday, unless there is an unusual circumstance. @Albion , is it common for Continuing Anglican parishes to offer communion less often?
You know, it's always hard to say what's "common," but I would estimate that it's clearly a minority of Continuing churches that do not have Communion at any service on Sunday. However, my feeling is that there are enough parishes that alternate Holy Communion with Morning Prayer that I wouldn't call it uncommon. ;)
 
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As a general rule, if you imagine Anglicanism existing on a spectrum from very high Anglo-Catholic to very low evangelical (and I know that such a spectrum is not completely uncomplicated, but go with me for the sake of discussion...) the closer you are to the high end of that spectrum, the more often the Eucharist will be celebrated.

So "daily mass" is a reality in quite a few more catholic parishes in my diocese, and most of the even middling-catholic parishes will have the Eucharist every Sunday and at least once mid-week. More evangelical parishes might drop the midweek service, and even more evangelical than that might not have communion every week, but fortnightly or even monthly at their main Sunday services (there might be a very early, small, quiet communion service if there is not communion at the main service, but there might not).

I have not personally come across a parish celebrating less frequently than monthly, but historically it was not uncommon for some parishes to celebrate as infrequently as quarterly.
 
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Interesting-thanks for all your answers! So some high Anglo Catholic parishes have daily mass?
I always considered Anglicanism to be closest to Lutheranism but no Lutheran Church I know of has daily services or Eucharist. The Episcopal Church in the U.S. and The ELCA are in pulpit and altar fellowship I believe.
 
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Interesting-thanks for all your answers! So some high Anglo Catholic parishes have daily mass?
Yes. I wouldn't want to guess at the number or percentage, however. If you have a Cathedral church nearby, then probably.

I always considered Anglicanism to be closest to Lutheranism but no Lutheran Church I know of has daily services or Eucharist.
Generally speaking, you are probably right about the comparison. But remember that it's not Anglican churches per se but Anglo Catholic parishes that you asked about. Most Anglican parishes wouldn't be described by that term.

The Episcopal Church in the U.S. and The ELCA are in pulpit and altar fellowship I believe.
True
 
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Interesting-thanks for all your answers! So some high Anglo Catholic parishes have daily mass?

Yes. As Albion points out, that would not be a high proportion. In my diocese of somewhere around two hundred parishes, I'd expect to be able to count on my fingers the number that would have a daily mass. They tend to also be slightly bigger than average parishes, where there are enough clergy to share the liturgical work involved.

I always considered Anglicanism to be closest to Lutheranism but no Lutheran Church I know of has daily services or Eucharist. The Episcopal Church in the U.S. and The ELCA are in pulpit and altar fellowship I believe.

I also think that, in general, Lutherans are probably our closest cousins. Would no Lutheran churches have something like a daily morning or evening prayer service, though?
 
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I found two Episcopal Churches close to me. Closest one is 35 minutes away. I have no idea if they are high or low church. I will have to visit sometime. Oops I put more in the quote box.
Yes. As Albion points out, that would not be a high proportion. In my diocese of somewhere around two hundred parishes, I'd expect to be able to count on my fingers the number that would have a daily mass. They tend to also be slightly bigger than average parishes, where there are enough clergy to share the liturgical work involved.
Not close to where I live. I live in a rural area, upper midwest, the closest Episcopal Church about 35 miles away. I will have to visit sometime. I'm going to check out their website. There is another one about 45 minutes away. I used to live in a larger area, but moved here when I got married years ago.
I'm still looking to visit an Orthodox church about 80 miles away, as well.
We have a Catholic church, but no daily mass. The priest pastors 3 churches in our rural area, though so has mass every 3rd Sunday here, not sure about daily masses. I'm sure they are daily but not here.



I also think that, in general, Lutherans are probably our closest cousins. Would no Lutheran churches have something like a daily morning or evening prayer service, though?
 
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I found two Episcopal Churches close to me. Closest one is 35 minutes away. I have no idea if they are high or low church. I will have to visit sometime. Oops I put more in the quote box.
Most likely, they will fall somewhere in the middle of those two types.

Anglo-Catholicism and Evangelical Anglicanism each draw a lot of commentary, but most parishes are not really at either end of that spectrum.
 
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In my parish we have communion every Sunday and on Fridays. I've never understood the Friday thing as it takes place mid- morning when working people can't go. I'd much rather have a midweek early morning or evening mass, but nobody asked me. Our monthly Vestry meeting also opens with the Eucharist.
 
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My mid-week Eucharist is at 10am, and it mostly draws older (post-retirement-age) folk who struggle to get to church on Sunday (and for whom an early morning or evening would definitely not work).

I've sometimes wondered about different midweek times, but the parish has no real desire to change and I have other, more pressing stuff to deal with, so...
 
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My mid-week Eucharist is at 10am, and it mostly draws older (post-retirement-age) folk who struggle to get to church on Sunday (and for whom an early morning or evening would definitely not work).

I'm quickly becoming old and will soon retire. Please tell me why I will be able to get to church mid-week but struggle to do so Sunday morning. I need to know. :innocent::sunglasses::scratch:
 
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I'm quickly becoming old and will soon retire. Please tell me why I will be able to get to church mid-week but struggle to do so Sunday morning. I need to know. :innocent::sunglasses::scratch:

Transport is a big issue. Once people can't drive any more, and are relying on others or on public transport, they're much more limited. Most of my Wednesday folks either take the bus or rely on someone else to drive them; someone who wouldn't be available to do so on a Sunday. And where I live, at least, public transport on Sundays is pretty pathetic.
 
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Ah, the lack of Sunday public transportation makes some sense. It's the same here. But, Monday through Friday isn't all that great either. I have to walk about one mile to a bus stop. Looks like I'll need to dodge the kids when they come to take my car keys away from me. I'll tell them a Priest suggested it. ^_^
 
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I also think that, in general, Lutherans are probably our closest cousins. Would no Lutheran churches have something like a daily morning or evening prayer service, though?
Some do, but it is very rare. I can only think of one off of the top of my head, Redeemer Lutheran (LCMS) in Ft. Wayne Indiana. They are probably the most Anglo-Catholic LCMS church out there, and probably one of the most Anglo-Catholic in any denomination of Lutheran churches in the USA. I am sure there are others, but none around here. In this area you are lucky to have more than one service a week at a church regardless of Lutheran synod.


Interesting-thanks for all your answers! So some high Anglo Catholic parishes have daily mass?
I always considered Anglicanism to be closest to Lutheranism but no Lutheran Church I know of has daily services or Eucharist. The Episcopal Church in the U.S. and The ELCA are in pulpit and altar fellowship I believe.

Some TEC churches do, if you happen to live near a Cathedral you are more likely to see them. Some of the EC parishes here have a weekday service and then Sunday Eucharist, they may or may not have Eucharist at all services and usually do not during the week.
 
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By definition, no Lutheran church is "Anglo-Catholic." Some are very ceremonial and do accept certain Catholic teachings, and some consider themselves to be "Catholic," but the term Anglo-Catholic still doesn't fit since the parish is not Anglican.
 
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By definition, no Lutheran church is "Anglo-Catholic." Some are very ceremonial and do accept certain Catholic teachings, and some consider themselves to be "Catholic," but the term Anglo-Catholic still doesn't fit since the parish is not Anglican.
Valid point, I have heard the term used around Lutheran circles. But you are correct, what is really meant is "high church". But often these parishes go farther and incorporate more "Catholic" rituals like Benediction and a form of Rosary, maybe they need to use a different term as @Paidiske suggests, but oddly I have not heard it that way. Although, it certainly makes more sense.

I have seen "Anglo-Lutheran Catholic"....but I think that is getting too muddled and would really only make sense for the joint EC-ELCA parishes.
 
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Valid point, I have heard the term used around Lutheran circles. But you are correct, what is really meant is "high church". But often these parishes go farther and incorporate more "Catholic" rituals like Benediction and a form of Rosary, maybe they need to use a different term as @Paidiske suggests, but oddly I have not heard it that way. Although, it certainly makes more sense.

I have seen "Anglo-Lutheran Catholic"....

I completely agree with you here; and I am sorry if I sounded preachy or parochial. I meant what I wrote only as a little footnote.

P.S. I too have seen "Anglo-Lutheran" or "Anglo-Lutheran Catholic," so it might have found its niche. There even is a small denomination that uses that terminology in its name and I believe that it was accepted into that "Anglican Ordinariate" proposal that the Vatican introduced a few years back.
 
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