Trump updates school prayer will uphold religious liberty

[Mountainmanbob]

Trump updates school prayer guidance: 'We will uphold religious liberty'

As his impeachment trial was getting underway in the Senate, President Trump gave a hat tip Thursday to his evangelical base by updating the federal guidance on prayer in public schools — an action that came on National Religious Freedom Day.

The order is similar to a 2003 guidance on school prayer, but it establishes a state-mandated filing process for complaints against local schools and school districts.

States must then send the federal government a list each year of local schools and districts that have "a policy that prevents, or otherwise denies participation in, constitutionally protected prayer," in public schools. States are also required to report local schools that do not certify to the state that they don't have unconstitutional prayer policies.

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Some are always asking
just how does Trump support Christian values?
Here's just One More Of Many.
M-Bob

 

[Isilwen]

Trump updates school prayer guidance: 'We will uphold religious liberty'

As his impeachment trial was getting underway in the Senate, President Trump gave a hat tip Thursday to his evangelical base by updating the federal guidance on prayer in public schools — an action that came on National Religious Freedom Day.

The order is similar to a 2003 guidance on school prayer, but it establishes a state-mandated filing process for complaints against local schools and school districts.

States must then send the federal government a list each year of local schools and districts that have "a policy that prevents, or otherwise denies participation in, constitutionally protected prayer," in public schools. States are also required to report local schools that do not certify to the state that they don't have unconstitutional prayer policies.

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Some are always asking
just how does Trump support Christian values?
Here's just One More Of Many.
M-Bob

As I said in a different forum here on CF, as long as all religious freedom and liberty is upheld. That includes Muslim prayer and they will need to be able to pray however many times a day it is and on the floor during class. Wiccans as well if there are prayers.

Christianity isn't the only religion in the United States.

 

[High Fidelity]

As I said in a different forum here on CF, as long as all religious freedom and liberty is upheld. That includes Muslim prayer and they will need to be able to pray however many times a day it is and on the floor during class.

Yup. Muslim prayers in schools, Hindu, Sikh etc. That's constitutional.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Wiccans as well if there are prayers.

Amazing how much support they have these days.
There was a time in which they were not that popular.
Maybe the end times are near?
M-Bob

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

just how does Trump support Christian values?

So those values are better than following constitution ?

 

[SkyWriting]

will uphold
States are also required to report local schools that do not certify to the state that they don't have unconstitutional prayer policies.

Between "will" "don't" "do" and "not"
....I got lost.

 

[Isilwen]

Maybe the end times are near?
M-Bob

Seriously doubt it.

My point is that not just Christianity should be protected. When religious freedom is talked about, all religions recognized should be counted!

Here is a list of recognized religions by our military.

http://americanhumanist.org/wp-cont...porting-Personnel-Data-of-Service-Members.pdf

 

[SkyWriting]

So those values are better than following the Constitution?

The Constitution is more legal than Trumps values, for sure.

 

[SkyWriting]

Maybe the end times are near?
M-Bob

We will always be in the end-times. It's permanent and does not pass.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Seriously doubt it.

My point is that not just Christianity should be protected. When religious freedom is talked about, all religions recognized should be counted!

Here is a list of recognized religions by our military.

http://americanhumanist.org/wp-cont...porting-Personnel-Data-of-Service-Members.pdf

Just wondering
would our forefathers have supported
worshipping the devil?

Oh yes, we have came a long ways.
But, in what direction?

M-Bob

 

[Isilwen]

Just wondering
would our forefathers have supported
worshipping the devil?

Oh yes, we have came a long ways.
But, in what direction?

M-Bob

Apparently, you really do not understand Wicca. Our forefathers wanted religious freedom for all.

Are you going to say all doesn't mean all or do we only include Christian religions?

Am very much a do unto others kind of guy. If I want religious freedom, then I better give religious freedom to everyone, even if I do not agree!

 

[Steve97]

Personally, I don't care about Trumps "values"...nor did I care about Obamas, Bushs or Clintons.
I, as a growing Christian, am responsible for mine.

 

[GACfan]

Apparently, you really do not understand Wicca. Our forefathers wanted religious freedom for all.

Are you going to say all doesn't mean all or do we only include Christian religions?

Am very much a do unto others kind of guy. If I want religious freedom, then I better give religious freedom to everyone, even if I do not agree!

After spending several years in the realm of evangelical conservativism, I've come to the conclusion that the common belief among many conservatives (when it concerns religious liberties) is "Religious freedom for me, but none for thee!" Another common position among these devout conservatives is the belief that Christians (meaning them and other Christians who believe as they do) are entitled to preferential treatment from the government because they are Christians. They seem to be under the impression that their preferred version of Christianity (evangelical) should endorsed and promoted by the government above all other religions. Some of them will even resort to crying persecution if they aren't given the special treatment and rights they think they deserve because they are a Christian.

 

[A Realist]

After spending several years in the realm of evangelical conservativism, I've come to the conclusion that the common belief among many conservatives (when it concerns religious liberties) is "Religious freedom for me, but none for thee!" Another common position among these devout conservatives is the belief that Christians (meaning them and other Christians who believe as they do) are entitled to preferential treatment from the government because they are Christians. They seem to be under the impression that their preferred version of Christianity (evangelical) should endorsed and promoted by the government above all other religions. Some of them will even resort to crying persecution if they aren't given the special treatment and rights they think they deserve because they are a Christian.

Exactly. By "religious freedom", most of these folks mean "Christian religious freedom". When the Muslim kids start rolling out their prayer mats and proselytizing for Allah, these folks are gonna start screaming.

 

[GACfan]

Exactly. By "religious freedom", most of these folks mean "Christian religious freedom". When the Muslim kids start rolling out their prayer mats these folks are gonna start screaming.

Personally, I won't take any of their moral indignant rants about anything that isn't Christian seriously if they have spent the last three years supporting and defending Trump. If they support him, then I don't think they have any moral credibility left to preach against anything that isn't solely Christian.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Amazing how much support they have these days.
There was a time in which they were not that popular.
Maybe the end times are near?
M-Bob

Every fraudulent—yet "protected"— religion will become catastrophically unpopular on that Day! We won’t ever have to listen to that claptrap again, praise God!

 

[paul1149]

as long as all religious freedom and liberty is upheld

The guidelines specifically mention other religions.

 

[GACfan]

As I said in a different forum here on CF, as long as all religious freedom and liberty is upheld. That includes Muslim prayer and they will need to be able to pray however many times a day it is and on the floor during class. Wiccans as well if there are prayers.

Christianity isn't the only religion in the United States.

I guess some of the Christians who think Christian prayer is being restricted in public schools have forgotten about the See You At The Pole annual event that's held at schools across America.

"What is See You at the Pole (SYATP)?"

 

[ViaCrucis]

Just wondering
would our forefathers have supported
worshipping the devil?

Oh yes, we have came a long ways.
But, in what direction?

M-Bob

Depends on which of them you spoke to. A lot of them didn't believe in the devil. The fathers of the nation were a diverse group with diverse views. Some were religious, some weren't.

They weren't a monolithic group--they not only had their own private views on religion, but on all manner of subjects. They notoriously didn't agree on exactly how the government should work. That's why we ended up having the Articles of Confederation for a while, and it's why it was so hard to get the Constitution written and ratified.

Holding up the founding fathers as some kind of magic solution to all questions mythologizes them and, quite frankly, often ends up treating them as some kind of council of gods whose thoughts and statements are somehow infallible. That's an utterly ridiculous idea, and frankly often borders on the downright blasphemous from a Christian point of view.

Ultimately this: It really doesn't matter whether the founding fathers would have liked or disliked people being able to worship the devil. They're opinion on that matter is meaningless. What matters is the law of the land and how that law operates to enshrine individual liberty to the people of these United States.

Do I think people should worship the devil? Well obviously of course not. But that's the thing about freedom, I'm allowed to have my opinion, and to have my religiously-informed opinions. And others are allowed to have theirs. And both opinions are allowed, because we are free citizens.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[The Barbarian]

States must then send the federal government a list each year of local schools and districts that have "a policy that prevents, or otherwise denies participation in, constitutionally protected prayer," in public schools. States are also required to report local schools that do not certify to the state that they don't have unconstitutional prayer policies.

It would be easier just to contact the ACLU. They've forced numerous school districts to allow students to pray in school.

I wonder if Trump realizes that this will protect Jewish, Muslim, and even Wiccan students.