Ellen White on Masturbation Make her a False Prophet

[Christ is Lord]

Hebrew "wisdom" literature is very complex and cannot be readily rendered in English or any non-Semitic language. There are at least 4 completely different levels of meaning.

In the Hebrew scriptures, the first level of meaning is Peshat and deals with the plain meaning of the text. And it is ALWAYS correct as seen. In the SoS, the peshat is simply erotic poetry describing sex acts, primarily HER experience of it. So you can take it that what SoS describes sexually is ok.

Is this also seen in other wisdom literature like Ecclesiastes, in which sometimes the preaches statements who an atheistic view of the world? Doesn't mean the preacher is endorsing such a view.

 

[DennisTate]

Please read the post: Why Ellen White’s Comments on Masturbation Make her a False Prophet

I would love to hear your thoughts on this topic, especially those who are Adventist.



Update: Summary from post.

Ellen's statements on masturbation:

I have been shown that children who practice self-indulgence previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood and womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature’s violated laws at that critical period. — An Appeal to Mothers

Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the ages of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors.Some of nature’s fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature’s fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution, and death is the result. — An Appeal to Mothers

This is informative.......
but I've read one or two of her books and there is no way that I could say that she is entirely wrong about this. This is above my own Security Clearance level with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus. She had experiences that remind me of
2 Corinthians 12
verses two to four after she had an accident of some type.

2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.

3 And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth), 4 how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[IntriKate]

Masturbation isn’t a sin . God gave us our bodies and enjoying it without sleeping around is what he intended.

 

[renniks]

Please read the post: Why Ellen White’s Comments on Masturbation Make her a False Prophet

I would love to hear your thoughts on this topic, especially those who are Adventist.



Update: Summary from post.

Ellen's statements on masturbation:

I have been shown that children who practice self-indulgence previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood and womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature’s violated laws at that critical period. — An Appeal to Mothers

Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the ages of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors.Some of nature’s fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature’s fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution, and death is the result. — An Appeal to Mothers

Who or what is an Ellen White?

 

[Lazarus Short]

"Making her a false prophet"? She kind of did that herself.

 

[thecolorsblend]

What about physiological damage?

Again...

Her appeals to the medical consequences may or may not have validity to them.

I've heard stories about brain damage and other things. But I'm not a medical expert and I cannot dispense medical opinions.

 

[KagomeShuko]

I ALMOST got persuaded into joining an SDA church when I was younger.

Thankfully, I also still attended the ELCA church that I went to at the time as well and did a lot of Bible study.

The SDA church wanted to get me in before they started showing all the cult-like activities and beliefs. I did get baptized there. I did a revelation study published by their publishing house and they decided that it was enough to be baptized and "become a member," but I left when I was no longer wanted for the music there.

The congregation I was in was full of people who were not all that intellectual, and they were very easily swayed by anything that the pastor said.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

It became the custom in the US later in the 19th century as a deterrent to masturbation among boys. It's recently been found to have health benefits so the practice continues.

liberal pediatricians say it’s mutilation. Tell that to my friend who lost his penis from cancer due to being uncircumcised, massive risk factor

 

[GaveMeJoy]

Masturbation isn’t a sin . God gave us our bodies and enjoying it without sleeping around is what he intended.

Lies

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Don't. Get. Me. Started. On. Ellen G. White.

That's all.

 

[KagomeShuko]

@ViaCrucis LOL.

Oh, man, Ellen G. White is a trip. She said that God told her so many things for Christians or SDAs . . .

They shouldn't eat pork. (She ate pork).
They shouldn't wear jewelry. (She wore jewelry).

I'm not sure what else she EXACTLY wrote - been a long time since I've looked at any of that.

But SDAs . . . ooh. I was used to not having a dress code other than it's best to dress modestly but it can be dresses or pants or shorts - whatever, being Lutheran. However, I had only been going when the weather was warm enough out. So, one Saturday, it's colder out and I don't want to be cold, so I put on a nice long sleeve shirt and some pants.

Oh, my - the FIT they had as I was playing piano for them. (I'm not good at playing piano, but they literally had NOBODY that could play a bit, so I felt called to do that at that time).

They went looking all over and insisted on me wearing a choir robe.

I'm like, "Uh, don't you see women in shirts and pants all the time?"

 

[KagomeShuko]

liberal pediatricians say it’s mutilation. Tell that to my friend who lost his penis from cancer due to being uncircumcised, massive risk factor

Um, that doesn't sound like it is true. Maybe a doctor said that, but how in the world was that even PROVEN?

This article supporting that view is from 2011.
The Strong Protective Effect of Circumcision against Cancer of the Penis

This article is from 2017.
Circumcised men at twice the risk for cancer-causing HPV, study shows

 

[GaveMeJoy]

Um, that doesn't sound like it is true. Maybe a doctor said that, but how in the world was that even PROVEN?

This article supporting that view is from 2011.
The Strong Protective Effect of Circumcision against Cancer of the Penis

This article is from 2017.
Circumcised men at twice the risk for cancer-causing HPV, study shows

Hello, thanks for sharing those articles. As opposed to small scale individual studies, I suggest reviewing this systematic literature review of many studies (at least 8), produced by the NIH which is a well respected/.gov

Male circumcision and penile cancer: a systematic review and meta-analysis

“Conclusions
Men circumcised in childhood/adolescence are at substantially reduced risk of invasive penile cancer”

When my son’s pediatrician tried to tell me the risks are not worth mutilating him, I asked how I could risk him getting cancer and she said “when he’s 2 or 3 we can talk to him about keeping the foreskin area clean.” My son is 8 now and by the looks of his room, I think we made the right choice to get a new pediatrician. That kiddo doesn’t keep anything clean, and I don’t want him to lose his penis like my friend.

 

[splish- splash]

I heard this as well. Also, I recently came across her statements about how "brain power" is needed to received messages from the Holy Spirit.

What is brain power!! Are we talking of will power or something along those lines?

 

[zoidar]

Please read the post: Why Ellen White’s Comments on Masturbation Make her a False Prophet

I would love to hear your thoughts on this topic, especially those who are Adventist.



Update: Summary from post.

Ellen's statements on masturbation:

I have been shown that children who practice self-indulgence previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood and womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature’s violated laws at that critical period. — An Appeal to Mothers

Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the ages of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors.Some of nature’s fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature’s fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution, and death is the result. — An Appeal to Mothers

Mrs White says this? What does Mr White say?

 

[Christ is Lord]

What is brain power!! Are we talking of will power or something along those lines?

According to Ellen brain power or nerve power was cognitive functioning that was needed to communicate with God.

"The giving of the faculties to lustful practices disorders the brain and nerve power, and though professing religion, they are not and never will be agents whom God can use; for he despises the practises of impurity, which destroy the vital nerve energies. This sin of impurity is lessening physical vigor and mental capabilities, so that everything like mental taxation will after a short time become irksome. Memory is fitful; and, O, what a loathsome offering is thus presented to God!"

"The electric power of the brain nerves communicates with the entire system. The brain nerves are the only medium through which Heaven can communicate to man, and affect his inmost life." — T17 186.1

Notice the last quotation, this is another reason why Adventists are big on their "health message".

 

[splish- splash]

According to Ellen brain power or nerve power was cognitive functioning that was needed to communicate with God.

"The giving of the faculties to lustful practices disorders the brain and nerve power, and though professing religion, they are not and never will be agents whom God can use; for he despises the practises of impurity, which destroy the vital nerve energies. This sin of impurity is lessening physical vigor and mental capabilities, so that everything like mental taxation will after a short time become irksome. Memory is fitful; and, O, what a loathsome offering is thus presented to God!"

"The electric power of the brain nerves communicates with the entire system. The brain nerves are the only medium through which Heaven can communicate to man, and affect his inmost life." — T17 186.1

Notice the last quotation, this is another reason why Adventists are big on their "health message".

Ok..

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Please read the post: Why Ellen White’s Comments on Masturbation Make her a False Prophet

I would love to hear your thoughts on this topic, especially those who are Adventist.



Update: Summary from post.

Ellen's statements on masturbation:

I have been shown that children who practice self-indulgence previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood and womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature’s violated laws at that critical period. — An Appeal to Mothers

Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the ages of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors.Some of nature’s fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature’s fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution, and death is the result. — An Appeal to Mothers

That is the funniest thing I ever heard.

 

[Deade]

Mrs White says this? What does Mr White say?

They are all dead, long ago. I believe she is the Jezebel of church in Thyatira (Rev. 2:20). Just start reading "The Great Controversy" and you will see her errors.

 

[Jamdoc]

as far as I know, masturbation itself isn't a sin, not the physical act, but lustful thoughts that might be involved are, and things like looking at inappropriate contentography that might be involved is as well.
Onanism wasn't masturbation it was.. pulling out and it wasn't "wasting seed" (something that men produce by the millions every day) that was the problem, the problem was that Onan was selfish and didn't want to provide his deceased brother an heir, it was the direct disobedience to law that got him killed.