Virginia HB961 - Actual gun confiscation unless you register it with the state

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Meanwhile, the guns in circulation continue to kill far more people every year than would ever be killed by any but the most tyrannical government.
but one thing those governments did was remove guns from the general population because they knew otherwise it would not fly.
 
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How does that tract stolen guns people who steal them are not going to say I stole a gun.
The person who had the gun needs to report it. Right now that doesn't happen enough.
 
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How many people there are now able to defend themselves in a mass shooting? I guarantee that the number for those is cut down as well, not to mention people who simply want to live safely in their homes without an armed home invader coming in.
Ah, the good guy with the gun defense.

The church shooting you stated earlier, you forgot to say that the armed guards had law enforcement training, not just some guy with a gun. Which strengthens my arguement that we should require gun owners to have more training.

It is because of that training that many people with guns don't shoot in mass shooting scenarios. There was one locally at a mall and the shooter w as confronted with someone with a gun. That someone stayed in cover, kept the shooter covered, and never took a shot because their firing line was not clear.

And then there was the theater shoot im ng in Colorado, where most people in the audience had a gun. But because it was dark and no one had a clear shot, no one shot.

Having everyone armed dies not solve the issue. They need to be trained, and trained well. Better than we do for getting a driver's license since guns are designed to kill.

So no thank you on no regulations. Owning a gun may be a right, but it is also should be a privilege you earn to show you know how to handle it. If that means the state finds out who has one, so be it.
 
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Meanwhile, the guns in circulation continue to kill far more people every year than would ever be killed by any but the most tyrannical government.

They saved lives when that church in TX was about to experience a mass shooting. Isn't that important, along with the estimated 1 million times a gun is used in legitimate self defense every year?
 
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Ah, the good guy with the gun defense.

The church shooting you stated earlier, you forgot to say that the armed guards had law enforcement training, not just some guy with a gun. Which strengthens my arguement that we should require gun owners to have more training.

It is because of that training that many people with guns don't shoot in mass shooting scenarios. There was one locally at a mall and the shooter w as confronted with someone with a gun. That someone stayed in cover, kept the shooter covered, and never took a shot because their firing line was not clear.

And then there was the theater shoot im ng in Colorado, where most people in the audience had a gun. But because it was dark and no one had a clear shot, no one shot.

Having everyone armed dies not solve the issue. They need to be trained, and trained well. Better than we do for getting a driver's license since guns are designed to kill.

So no thank you on no regulations. Owning a gun may be a right, but it is also should be a privilege you earn to show you know how to handle it. If that means the state finds out who has one, so be it.

Who said anything about "no regulations"? We're talking about registration and confiscation.
 
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Who said anything about "no regulations"? We're talking about registration and confiscation.
No, we're just talking about registration. The confiscation is your fantasy, which owning guns apparently can't prevent anyway. You need your guns to protect yourselves against the government but if the government knows you have them they'll come and take them away and you won't be able to protect yourselves against the government.
 
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They saved lives when that church in TX was about to experience a mass shooting. Isn't that important, along with the estimated 1 million times a gun is used in legitimate self defense every year?

Sure, those things are important. But they're also true (actually, I'm pretty skeptical about that 1 million figure since that's roughly the number of violent crimes committed across the entire country, but I'm not going to argue about it now) in large part precisely because there are so many guns in circulation. If, hypothetically, we had zero guns in circulation, nobody in that TX church would've needed saving and we'd only need a tiny fraction of those DGU's.

Meanwhile, between murder, suicides, and accidents, we have roughly as many people dying per year from firearms as Saddam was killing when he was going after the Kurds back in the 80's. IOW, our "protection" from a tyrannical government kills as many people as a genocide.
 
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Do you seriously think that people who commit mass shootings would follow the law? Very few mass shootings would be stopped and that is not how most gun deaths happen anyway.

Registering guns makes it easier to solve a wide variety of gun crimes...not just mass shootings.
 
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Registering guns makes it easier to solve a wide variety of gun crimes...not just mass shootings.

Most mass shootings occur with handguns, so why do you think the Dems are coming after rifles (which, according to FBI statistics killed 3x less people than a knife in 2017)?
 
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Ah, the good guy with the gun defense.

The church shooting you stated earlier, you forgot to say that the armed guards had law enforcement training, not just some guy with a gun. Which strengthens my arguement that we should require gun owners to have more training.

It is because of that training that many people with guns don't shoot in mass shooting scenarios. There was one locally at a mall and the shooter w as confronted with someone with a gun. That someone stayed in cover, kept the shooter covered, and never took a shot because their firing line was not clear.

And then there was the theater shoot im ng in Colorado, where most people in the audience had a gun. But because it was dark and no one had a clear shot, no one shot.

Having everyone armed dies not solve the issue. They need to be trained, and trained well. Better than we do for getting a driver's license since guns are designed to kill.

So no thank you on no regulations. Owning a gun may be a right, but it is also should be a privilege you earn to show you know how to handle it. If that means the state finds out who has one, so be it.
States do require you to pass a safety course if you wish to carry concealed which would be out in public.
 
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Are you talking about people breaking the proposed law in the OP, or some other crime?
any crime even infractions which really are not considered crimes.
 
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Registering guns makes it easier to solve a wide variety of gun crimes...not just mass shootings.
Again, only if the guns are registered. What people seem to forget is there is this little thing called a black market.
 
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Most mass shootings occur with handguns, so why do you think the Dems are coming after rifles (which, according to FBI statistics killed 3x less people than a knife in 2017)?
Unless we are looking to change the very definition of mass shooting.
 
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Again, only if the guns are registered. What people seem to forget is there is this little thing called a black market.
And, of course, if the proposed solution will not solve the problem 100% it is better to do nothing.
 
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And, of course, if the proposed solution will not solve the problem 100% it is better to do nothing.
Except that most gun crimes are committed by people who legally are not permitted to have guns in the first place. That means that most gun crime is committed with guns either stolen or from the black market ( which really are the same thing as stolen is not bought lawfully.
 
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