You did not chose Me, I chose you.

[bobsmename]

Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ 2Cor1:21

Must read the bible as one cohesive whole

 

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Abraham lied and asked his wife to lie also saying to Pharaoh and the Egyptians, and later to King Abimelech, she is my sister. Sarah went along with the lie, identifying Abraham as her brother on all occasions Genesis 12:11-13; 20:1-2, 5

This issue has already been addressed by another poster in my recent post here.
Sarah was Abraham's half sister. So he technically was not lying.

 

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Yes, it certainly is. It's called being dishonest ...same thing

See post #703.

 

[bobsmename]

Paul wrote to the corinthians, calling them 'the church of God' I doubt the young corinthian church would have passed many peoples test of being a church of God

 

[BNR32FAN]

I agree. But it seems rather obvious. If we are saved by grace through faith, then we can lose salvation by apostasy.
The question of whether certain sins lead to death if not confessed makes me wonder if a murderer who doesn't repent could be saved, because they would surely be grieving the Spirit. But I don't know, so I'm not going to claim to know what sin ( other than unbelief) is unforgivable. As far as I can tell, only final rejection of the Spirit is.

I don’t believe confession of sin is necessary for salvation. I do believe that repentance is necessary in the sense that we must repent and turn to God but I also believe that full repentance from sin is impossible in this world. I don’t believe anyone will achieve perfection in this life.

 

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@bobsmename and @renniks

Taking a break away from you guys for a while. It does not appear that the verses I am showing forth to you are being addressed or explained. You just keep throwing more stuff that defends a sin and still be saved type view of Soteriology. If that is what you really think salvation is about, then have at it. Most people know that doing evil or sin is wrong and God is good. If one's view of Soteriology is the kind that justifies the kind of sins that He condemns within His Word, and one thinks they can be saved by committing these sins on some level by just having a belief alone on Jesus, then by all means.... see how that works out for you in the end. I am confident that it will not work out so well for you based on the very words of Jesus Himself (See again: Matthew 7:23, Matthew 7:26-27).

 

[renniks]

Then why confess sin if it is not in our righteousness?
We should be able to live like the devil with God giving us the thumb's up to enter God's Kingdom if things are as you propose.

You're the only one saying that a true Christian will just live anyway he pleases. Our righteousness can't save us because we don't have any! I agree with confessing sins. But God is not going to drop you like a hot potato if you don't confess every one... because we are saved by Christ's righteousness.
"even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;"

;Romans 3:26

"for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus said he would never lose any of those the Father had given him. It is best to read the bible as one cohesive whole, then meditate on it, then draw your conclusions

Ifr you like I can give you many more verses of Paul. He says the believer cannot be righteous by observing the law. If you observe the law you do not commit sin. Think on it

The Bible does not say that Jesus will never lose any of those The Father has given Him. Your misquoting what Jesus ACTUALLY said.

 

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I don’t believe confession of sin is necessary for salvation. I do believe that repentance is necessary in the sense that we must repent and turn to God but I also believe that full repentance from sin is impossible in this world. I don’t believe anyone will achieve perfection in this life.

I believe it is based on 1 John 1:9, Luke 18:9-14, Acts of the Apostles 8:22, and Proverbs 28:13, etc.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I believe it is based on 1 John 1:9, Luke 18:9-14, Acts of the Apostles 8:22, and Proverbs 28:13, etc.

But none of these say that sin will not be forgiven if it is not confessed. I believe we have more sins than we can ever realize.

 

[bobsmename]

I believe much hinges on your conversion experience and how it affects your life. For me, at the age of ten I responded to an altar call and my life was forever changed. The first thing I noticed that was different about me was I became aware of my sin/imperfections before God in a very acute sense-even at that age. This is because: through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20 and as per the new covenant, the law was written in my mind and placed on my heart at the point of conversion. I would never again be able to do wrong/wilfully sin without conscience, that was only a thing of the past. And speaking for myself, anything wrong I did since then weighed so heavily on me I always came to God and repented of it, as surely as night follows day. That's the only covenant I know. The law is in your heart and mind, so you cannot hide from it and kid yourself you perfectly obey it, without a saviour from sin you would surely sink under the weight of it

 

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You're the only one saying that a true Christian will just live anyway he pleases. Our righteousness can't save us because we don't have any! I agree with confessing sins. But God is not going to drop you like a hot potato if you don't confess every one... because we are saved by Christ's righteousness.
"even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;"

;Romans 3:26

"for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."

In Matthew 5:28-30, Jesus could not have been talking exclusively to the unbeliever because it would not matter if they obeyed this righteous instruction alone. An unbeliever first needs to accept Jesus as their Savior in order to be saved. An unbeliever would still be on their way to hell even if they obeyed these words by Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30. So Jesus was talking to believers in Matthew 5:28-30. This means that a believer can potentially be cast into hell fire for looking upon a woman in lust. Matthew 6:15 says if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven by the Father. The list goes on and on. So Romans 3:26 is not what you think it means. Romans 3 is dealing with "Initial Salvation" or the Justification Process of salvation for both the Jews and the Gentiles by coming to God's grace and mercy and by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection for salvation. Romans 3:26 is not referring to the Sanctification Process but the Justification Process.

 

[bobsmename]

The Bible does not say that Jesus will never lose any of those The Father has given Him. Your misquoting what Jesus ACTUALLY said.

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. John6:39

 

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But none of these say that sin will not be forgiven if it is not confessed. I believe we have more sins than we can ever realize.

Yes, it does. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So confession is dealing with forgiveness according to 1 John 1:9. In Luke 18:9-14, Jesus essentially said that the Tax Collector was justified and the Pharisee was not. In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, we see the Prodigal Son was restored by his coming back home and in seeking forgiveness with his father. His father said he was "dead" and he is now "alive again." He was dead spiritually and he became alive again spiritually via by seeking forgiveness with his father (Luke 15:11-32). In our case, this would be our Everlasting Father (Jesus). Proverbs 28:13 gives us two requirements to have mercy. Confessing and forsaking sin. Peter tells Simon the sorcerer to pray to God so as to seek forgiveness with Him in the hope of forgiveness over his trying to pay for the Spirit and the gifts thereof. His heart was not right with God by what he did, and he needed to seek forgiveness with God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. John6:39

“This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:39‬ ‭NASB‬‬

It is God’s desire that He lose none. The same word that is translated to “will” in John 6:29 is also used in 1 Timothy 2:4.

“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭NASB‬‬

God desires for all men to be saved, but that doesn’t mean they will be.

 

[bobsmename]

But none of these say that sin will not be forgiven if it is not confessed. I believe we have more sins than we can ever realize.

.

 

[bobsmename]

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, ​

and they shall never perish​

; no one will snatch them out of my hand. ​

John 10:27​

&28​

 

[bobsmename]

“This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:39‬ ‭NASB‬‬

It is God’s desire that He lose none. The same word that is translated to “will” in John 6:29 is also used in 1 Timothy 2:4.

“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭NASB‬‬

God desires for all men to be saved, but that doesn’t mean they will be.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:27&28

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, it does. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So confession is dealing with forgiveness according to 1 John 1:9. In Luke 18:9-14, Jesus essentially said that the Tax Collector was justified and the Pharisee was not. In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, we see the Prodigal Son was restored by his coming back home and in seeking forgiveness with his father. His father said he was "dead" and he is now "alive again." He was dead spiritually and he became alive again spiritually via by seeking forgiveness with his father (Luke 15:11-32). In our case, this would be our Everlasting Father (Jesus). Proverbs 28:13 gives us two requirements to have mercy. Confessing and forsaking sin. Peter tells Simon the sorcerer to pray to God so as to seek forgiveness with Him in the hope of forgiveness over his trying to pay for the Spirit and the gifts thereof. His heart was not right with God by what he did, and he needed to seek forgiveness with God.

esus essentially said that the Tax Collector was justified and the Pharisee was not

The Pharisee was seeking self righteousness and exalting himself that was the message brother.

The prodigal son repented if his sin which is different from confession.

 

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And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. John6:39

The word "may" is not a guarantee.

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:40).​

The word "should" is not a guarantee.

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,..." (John 6:39).​