Is Your Prayer Language Fraudulent?

[topher694]

To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
1 Corinthians 12:7

If it does not meet this simple principle, than it is false.

Let's try this:

I pray in tongues driving alone in my car alot.
I often pray in tongues before I pray for someone else.
I pray in tongues sometimes as I study scripture.

Is what I am doing false?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Let's try this:

I pray in tongues driving alone in my car alot.
I often pray in tongues before I pray for someone else.
I pray in tongues sometimes as I study scripture.

Is what I am doing false?

None of those personal man made acts are for the common good of the Body of Christ. That's all.

 

[topher694]

None of those personal man made acts are for the common good of the Body of Christ. That's all.

That's not true and you didn't answer my question

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Let's try this:

I pray in tongues driving alone in my car a lot.
I often pray in tongues before I pray for someone else.
I pray in tongues sometimes as I study scripture.

Is what I am doing false?

1 Corinthians 12 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Gifts From the Holy Spirit
12 Now, brothers and sisters, I want you to understand about spiritual gifts. 2 You remember the lives you lived before you were believers. You let yourselves be influenced and led away to worship idols—things that have no life. 3 So I tell you that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “Jesus be cursed.” And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” without the help of the Holy Spirit.

4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but they are all from the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve, but we serve the same Lord. 6 And there are different ways that God works in people, but it is the same God who works in all of us to do everything.

7 Something from the Spirit can be seen in each person. The Spirit gives this to each one to help others. 8 The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak with wisdom. And the same Spirit gives another person the ability to speak with knowledge. 9 The same Spirit gives faith to one person and to another he gives gifts of healing. 10 The Spirit gives to one person the power to do miracles, to another the ability to prophesy, and to another the ability to judge what is from the Spirit and what is not. The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak in different kinds of languages, and to another the ability to interpret those languages. 11 One Spirit, the same Spirit, does all these things. The Spirit decides what to give each one.

The Body of Christ
12 A person has only one body, but it has many parts. Yes, there are many parts, but all those parts are still just one body. Christ is like that too. 13 Some of us are Jews and some of us are not; some of us are slaves and some of us are free. But we were all baptized to become one body through one Spirit. And we were all given[a] the one Spirit.

14 And a person’s body has more than one part. It has many parts. 15 The foot might say, “I am not a hand, so I don’t belong to the body.” But saying this would not stop the foot from being a part of the body. 16 The ear might say, “I am not an eye, so I don’t belong to the body.” But saying this would not make the ear stop being a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, it would not be able to hear. If the whole body were an ear, it would not be able to smell anything. 18-19 If each part of the body were the same part, there would be no body. But as it is, God put the parts in the body as he wanted them. He made a place for each one. 20 So there are many parts, but only one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the foot, “I don’t need you!” 22 No, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are actually very important. 23 And the parts that we think are not worth very much are the parts we give the most care to. And we give special care to the parts of the body that we don’t want to show. 24 The more beautiful parts don’t need this special care. But God put the body together and gave more honor to the parts that need it. 25 God did this so that our body would not be divided. God wanted the different parts to care the same for each other. 26 If one part of the body suffers, then all the other parts suffer with it. Or if one part is honored, then all the other parts share its honor.

27 All of you together are the body of Christ. Each one of you is a part of that body. 28 And in the church God has given a place first to apostles, second to prophets, and third to teachers. Then God has given a place to those who do miracles, those who have gifts of healing, those who can help others, those who are able to lead, and those who can speak in different kinds of languages. 29 Not all are apostles. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers. Not all do miracles. 30 Not all have gifts of healing. Not all speak in different kinds of languages. Not all interpret those languages. 31 Continue to give your attention to the spiritual gifts you consider to be the greatest. But now I want to point out a way of life that is even greater.

 

[topher694]

1 Corinthians 12 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Gifts From the Holy Spirit
12 Now, brothers and sisters, I want you to understand about spiritual gifts. 2 You remember the lives you lived before you were believers. You let yourselves be influenced and led away to worship idols—things that have no life. 3 So I tell you that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “Jesus be cursed.” And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” without the help of the Holy Spirit.

4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but they are all from the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve, but we serve the same Lord. 6 And there are different ways that God works in people, but it is the same God who works in all of us to do everything.

7 Something from the Spirit can be seen in each person. The Spirit gives this to each one to help others. 8 The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak with wisdom. And the same Spirit gives another person the ability to speak with knowledge. 9 The same Spirit gives faith to one person and to another he gives gifts of healing. 10 The Spirit gives to one person the power to do miracles, to another the ability to prophesy, and to another the ability to judge what is from the Spirit and what is not. The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak in different kinds of languages, and to another the ability to interpret those languages. 11 One Spirit, the same Spirit, does all these things. The Spirit decides what to give each one.

The Body of Christ
12 A person has only one body, but it has many parts. Yes, there are many parts, but all those parts are still just one body. Christ is like that too. 13 Some of us are Jews and some of us are not; some of us are slaves and some of us are free. But we were all baptized to become one body through one Spirit. And we were all given[a] the one Spirit.

14 And a person’s body has more than one part. It has many parts. 15 The foot might say, “I am not a hand, so I don’t belong to the body.” But saying this would not stop the foot from being a part of the body. 16 The ear might say, “I am not an eye, so I don’t belong to the body.” But saying this would not make the ear stop being a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, it would not be able to hear. If the whole body were an ear, it would not be able to smell anything. 18-19 If each part of the body were the same part, there would be no body. But as it is, God put the parts in the body as he wanted them. He made a place for each one. 20 So there are many parts, but only one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the foot, “I don’t need you!” 22 No, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are actually very important. 23 And the parts that we think are not worth very much are the parts we give the most care to. And we give special care to the parts of the body that we don’t want to show. 24 The more beautiful parts don’t need this special care. But God put the body together and gave more honor to the parts that need it. 25 God did this so that our body would not be divided. God wanted the different parts to care the same for each other. 26 If one part of the body suffers, then all the other parts suffer with it. Or if one part is honored, then all the other parts share its honor.

27 All of you together are the body of Christ. Each one of you is a part of that body. 28 And in the church God has given a place first to apostles, second to prophets, and third to teachers. Then God has given a place to those who do miracles, those who have gifts of healing, those who can help others, those who are able to lead, and those who can speak in different kinds of languages. 29 Not all are apostles. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers. Not all do miracles. 30 Not all have gifts of healing. Not all speak in different kinds of languages. Not all interpret those languages. 31 Continue to give your attention to the spiritual gifts you consider to be the greatest. But now I want to point out a way of life that is even greater.

Again that isn't an answer.

Is what I outlined false?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

http://dailyqt.org/docs/corinthianmysteryreligions.pdf

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Again that isn't an answer.

Is what I outlined false?

false languages do not serve others.

 

[topher694]

false languages do not serve others.

And are what I outlined false languages?

 

[topher694]

false languages do not serve others.

What I outlined IS serving others

 

[Breve]

Answering the original poster's question.
1. Your early life cessationist church planted the seed of doubt whenever you try to pray in tongues now. It's a poisonous seed trying to establish roots and prevent you from continuing. Continued doubting is coming from the enemy as it's an obvious vulnerable point so see it as a form of spiritual attack and battle against it.
2. I've heard rather limited syllables and more complex sounding tongues from different believers. To me it's soulish to presume that the simple mono syllabic utterances are less worthy or less "spiritual" than the more complicated ones. You're putting judgement on the depth of faith a brother or sister has by how impressive their tongues sound. Only God knows the truth.
A friend testified to her church that for many years her tongues was limited to the same baby syllables. But after attending a new church she experienced a shift in her tongues. Did her spiritual maturity in her new church environment grow and her tongues subsequently grew as well?

About 15 years ago I was pressured into producing tongues on the spot by an abusive ex. Under duress I uttered something but I never seriously tried to pray that way afterwards as I was sure I'd spoken gibberish under coercion. About 2 years ago in a desire to seek God, I watched sermons and even read a couple of books on tongues then took the leap of faith and began to include that in daily prayer time.

The doubts and incredulity were huge blocks but I persisted. Then God gave me 2 reassuring signs over several months praying this way. One time I noticed myself weeping while praying in tongues. This surprised me greatly. I wasn't sad or worried before starting prayer. If a part of my mind was making up gibberish, why would tears spontaneously starting running down my cheeks? I could only believe that something was going on between me and God in the spiritual realm of which my earthly mind had zero knowledge.

The second reassurance I received was when I heard the word "maranatha' in my tongues. This threw me a curve ball. I only knew the word to be a brand name of peanut butter, so thought my subconscious mind had pulled it out from seeing those jars at the grocery store and thus my TL was indeed a fraud. I began to doubt again. But then I realized later this word was used in signature tags of forums like this one. I was visiting this forum at that time. So clearly it didn't just mean a brand of peanut butter and I googled the word's meaning. Big surprise to discover it was a real word. . Perhaps my subconscious picked it up from forum posts but I pay very little attention to post signatures. I truly knew it primarily as peanut butter.

Last year too I was praying in tongues driving to work, a 20min drive so a very focused effort for me to pray that way. Going into the building I saw a coworker go to the medicine cabinet. I heard the words "she has a headache" inside my mind. I asked the lady if she was ok and she answered she had a headache. I take that experience of getting a word of knowledge as another proof that my prayer language is genuine. I should've prayed for healing but chickened out. If it was my mind making a lucky guess I would've said her name: "Jane must have a headache." That's how my thoughts would run, as a deduction and not factually refer refer to Jane in the 3rd person - that's somebody else - Holy Spirit - talking.

To summarize:
1. If you're experiencing fruit, being edified and drawing closer to God, then your TL isn't fraudulent.
2. Your TL can change, gradually over or frequently. I don't know the rules to how that works. Try singing in tongues as you worship too if you haven't before.

3. Complexity shouldn't be taken as a sign of deeper faith/holiness compared to a simpler TL. We don't know, only God knows. Assuming it does invites judgement of others and false superiority. This is a trap from the enemy.

4. Doubts are another trap from the enemy to make you stop doing it. Now think about why they might want that to happen?

5. Regular focused praying in tongues appears to cause a shift whereby other gifts can activate. These are all to enhance the body of Christ and useful for witnessing, not to make you feel special. Even if you experience no other gifts you'll still be edified and drawn closer to the leading of the HS, so still a win win.

It doesn't matter to me that glossolalia can be found in other non Christian groups such as voodoo. This doesn't mean Christian tongues is fake. It tells me that humans have the ability to activate a part of their brain (proof is the utterances) and this communicates with the spiritual realm. It is the Holy Spirit that steps in and makes it holy. A voodoo priest is speaking to demons. I have no scriptural references just a hunch. Everyone has the potential to do it but it requires a belief and surrender to a spiritual something... God or something else not of God. If we are created by God, then God designed this feature for an extra level of communication with him and demons hustled in to interfere with those who do not belong to God.

 

[topher694]

Answering the original poster's question.
1. Your early life cessationist church planted the seed of doubt whenever you try to pray in tongues now. It's a poisonous seed trying to establish roots and prevent you from continuing. Continued doubting is coming from the enemy as it's an obvious vulnerable point so see it as a form of spiritual attack and battle against it.
2. I've heard rather limited syllables and more complex sounding tongues from different believers. To me it's soulish to presume that the simple mono syllabic utterances are less worthy or less "spiritual" than the more complicated ones. You're putting judgement on the depth of faith a brother or sister has by how impressive their tongues sound. Only God knows the truth.
A friend testified to her church that for many years her tongues was limited to the same baby syllables. But after attending a new church she experienced a shift in her tongues. Did her spiritual maturity in her new church environment grow and her tongues subsequently grew as well?

About 15 years ago I was pressured into producing tongues on the spot by an abusive ex. Under duress I uttered something but I never seriously tried to pray that way afterwards as I was sure I'd spoken gibberish under coercion. About 2 years ago in a desire to seek God, I watched sermons and even read a couple of books on tongues then took the leap of faith and began to include that in daily prayer time.

The doubts and incredulity were huge blocks but I persisted. Then God gave me 2 reassuring signs over several months praying this way. One time I noticed myself weeping while praying in tongues. This surprised me greatly. I wasn't sad or worried before starting prayer. If a part of my mind was making up gibberish, why would tears spontaneously starting running down my cheeks? I could only believe that something was going on between me and God in the spiritual realm of which my earthly mind had zero knowledge.

The second reassurance I received was when I heard the word "maranatha' in my tongues. This threw me a curve ball. I only knew the word to be a brand name of peanut butter, so thought my subconscious mind had pulled it out from seeing those jars at the grocery store and thus my TL was indeed a fraud. I began to doubt again. But then I realized later this word was used in signature tags of forums like this one. I was visiting this forum at that time. So clearly it didn't just mean a brand of peanut butter and I googled the word's meaning. Big surprise to discover it was a real word. . Perhaps my subconscious picked it up from forum posts but I pay very little attention to post signatures. I truly knew it primarily as peanut butter.

Last year too I was praying in tongues driving to work, a 20min drive so a very focused effort for me to pray that way. Going into the building I saw a coworker go to the medicine cabinet. I heard the words "she has a headache" inside my mind. I asked the lady if she was ok and she answered she had a headache. I take that experience of getting a word of knowledge as another proof that my prayer language is genuine. I should've prayed for healing but chickened out. If it was my mind making a lucky guess I would've said her name: "Jane must have a headache." That's how my thoughts would run, as a deduction and not factually refer refer to Jane in the 3rd person - that's somebody else - Holy Spirit - talking.

To summarize:
1. If you're experiencing fruit, being edified and drawing closer to God, then your TL isn't fraudulent.
2. Your TL can change, gradually over or frequently. I don't know the rules to how that works. Try singing in tongues as you worship too if you haven't before.

3. Complexity shouldn't be taken as a sign of deeper faith/holiness compared to a simpler TL. We don't know, only God knows. Assuming it does invites judgement of others and false superiority. This is a trap from the enemy.

4. Doubts are another trap from the enemy to make you stop doing it. Now think about why they might want that to happen?

5. Regular focused praying in tongues appears to cause a shift whereby other gifts can activate. These are all to enhance the body of Christ and useful for witnessing, not to make you feel special. Even if you experience no other gifts you'll still be edified and drawn closer to the leading of the HS, so still a win win.

It doesn't matter to me that glossolalia can be found in other non Christian groups such as voodoo. This doesn't mean Christian tongues is fake. It tells me that humans have the ability to activate a part of their brain (proof is the utterances) and this communicates with the spiritual realm. It is the Holy Spirit that steps in and makes it holy. A voodoo priest is speaking to demons. I have no scriptural references just a hunch. Everyone has the potential to do it but it requires a belief and surrender to a spiritual something... God or something else not of God. If we are created by God, then God designed this feature for an extra level of communication with him and demons hustled in to interfere with those who do not belong to God.

Great post!

Quick note on the vodoo tongues. The devil cannot create, he can only pervert what God has already done. So, if there is a demonic or false version of tongues, that means there HAS to be a real version still in operation.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Fake languages are more likely from the person themself, not demons.
The hallmark of fake languages is the fact that they are not a language at all.

"
To summarize:
1. If you're experiencing fruit, being edified and drawing closer to God, then your TL isn't fraudulent."

Bearing fruit(Gal 5) and virtues(II Peter 1) does not prove the TL is true.
People are prone to imitate what they hear or produce it themself to become part of the "In Group".

Gal 5
22 By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also be guided by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, competing against one another, envying one another.


II Peter 1
3 His divine power has given us everything needed for life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us by[d] his own glory and goodness. 4 Thus he has given us, through these things, his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of lust, and may become participants in the divine nature. 5 For this very reason, you must make every effort to support your faith with goodness, and goodness with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with endurance, and endurance with godliness, 7 and godliness with mutual[e] affection, and mutual[f] affection with love. 8 For if these things are yours and are increasing among you, they keep you from being ineffective and unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For anyone who lacks these things is short-sighted and blind, and is forgetful of the cleansing of past sins. 10 Therefore, brothers and sisters,[g] be all the more eager to confirm your call and election, for if you do this, you will never stumble. 11 For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ will be richly provided for you.

12 Therefore I intend to keep on reminding you of these things, though you know them already and are established in the truth that has come to you. 13 I think it right, as long as I am in this body,[h] to refresh your memory, 14 since I know that my death will come soon, as indeed our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort so that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things.


In-group/Out-group - Ethics Unwrapped

"2. Your TL can change, gradually over or frequently. I don't know the rules to how that works. Try singing in tongues as you worship too if you haven't before."

Acts 2 indicates there is no growth in doing TL better over time, trying to produce unknown languages comes from you, not God. Trying to sign in unknown Languages comes from you alone, not God.


"3. Complexity shouldn't be taken as a sign of deeper faith/holiness compared to a simpler TL. We don't know, only God knows. Assuming it does invites judgement of others and false superiority. This is a trap from the enemy."

Growing in Complexity only shows that the person who is doing it, gets better at doing it. The trap comes from sin nature.


"4. Doubts are another trap from the enemy to make you stop doing it. Now think about why they might want that to happen?"

Doubts are more likely your conscience.


"5. Regular focused praying in tongues appears to cause a shift whereby other gifts can activate. These are all to enhance the body of Christ and useful for witnessing, not to make you feel special. Even if you experience no other gifts you'll still be edified and drawn closer to the leading of the HS, so still a win win."

The whole body is not a ear or nose. The HS gives every believer different gifts. Speaking in unknown languages is not like a gateway drug to other spiritual gifts.

"It doesn't matter to me that glossolalia can be found in other non Christian groups such as voodoo. This doesn't mean Christian tongues is fake. It tells me that humans have the ability to activate a part of their brain (proof is the utterances) and this communicates with the spiritual realm."

The reason glossolalia in other religions matters is that it simply demonstrates that those come from the people speaking --- there is no need for speaking to a spiritual realm to explain it.

The key to telling if speaking in unknown languages it true is that someone who knows that language understands you. And, that it serves the body of Christ. Most "tongues" services I have witnesses simply is chaos and does not serve the body of Christ. The person working in the kitchen is practicing a higher gift than "tongues" which is the lowest form of spiritual gifts.

Aside: a conversation I heard the other day:

Christian: You are demon possessed.

Muslim: Then cast it out.

Christian: speaking a man made formula.

Muslim: I am waiting.

Christian: walks away, mubing this one can only come out if you have enough faith.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

This is an logic error:

"Quick note on the vodoo tongues. The devil cannot create, he can only pervert what God has already done. So, if there is a demonic or false version of tongues, that means there HAS to be a real version still in operation."

Me: If one believes there is quakers living on the Moon, then it must be true that there are quakers living on the Moon or Sun.

"
Joseph Smith, as his source, Oliver B. Huntington wrote with significant detail:

“The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or the one fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph the Seer, and he could ‘See’ whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see”1" Early Mormon Leaders on the Inhabitants of the Sun and Moon – Mormonism Research Ministry


Brigham Young expanded on the teaching that the Sun was inhabited.

“Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?… when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fathers. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized”.8

Going the Extra Mile to Mitigate Criticism of Joseph Smith

In One-Minute Answers to Anti-Mormon Questions, Mormon author Stephen W. Gibson writes:

“At the present time, man has no scientific or revealed knowledge of whether or not there are inhabitants on the earth’s moon. The fact that a handful of astronauts didn’t see any inhabitants in the tiny area they viewed when they landed on the moon decades ago certainly gives no definitive information, any more than visitors to earth who might land in barren Death Valley would have any idea of the billions of inhabitants elsewhere.”9

Using the poor logic your post did, there are people living on the Moon and Sun. Early Mormon Leaders on the Inhabitants of the Sun and Moon – Mormonism Research Ministry

 

[topher694]

This is an logic error:

"Quick note on the vodoo tongues. The devil cannot create, he can only pervert what God has already done. So, if there is a demonic or false version of tongues, that means there HAS to be a real version still in operation."

Me: If one believes there is quakers living on the Moon, then it must be true that there are quakers living on the Moon or Sun.

"
Joseph Smith, as his source, Oliver B. Huntington wrote with significant detail:

“The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or the one fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph the Seer, and he could ‘See’ whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see”1" Early Mormon Leaders on the Inhabitants of the Sun and Moon – Mormonism Research Ministry


Brigham Young expanded on the teaching that the Sun was inhabited.

“Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?… when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fathers. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized”.8

Going the Extra Mile to Mitigate Criticism of Joseph Smith

In One-Minute Answers to Anti-Mormon Questions, Mormon author Stephen W. Gibson writes:

“At the present time, man has no scientific or revealed knowledge of whether or not there are inhabitants on the earth’s moon. The fact that a handful of astronauts didn’t see any inhabitants in the tiny area they viewed when they landed on the moon decades ago certainly gives no definitive information, any more than visitors to earth who might land in barren Death Valley would have any idea of the billions of inhabitants elsewhere.”9

Using the poor logic your post did, there are people living on the Moon and Sun. Early Mormon Leaders on the Inhabitants of the Sun and Moon – Mormonism Research Ministry

I seems you wouldn't know logic if came up an patted you on the head. You can twist my words to mean something they don't all you want, it just reflects poorly on you, not me.

Tongues is in the Bible and are stated to come from God, people living on the moon and sun are not.

 

[jiminpa]

I think we're beating a dead horse now. We've shown this guy from the explicit text of scripture that his position is the opposite of what the bible says, and he doesn't care. There are only so many verses on tongues, and we've quoted them verbatim multiple times. His doctrine doesn't come from the bible and either he knows it and continues on his own way, or his heart is hardened beyond reach, and either way he will not be swayed by what the bible actually says.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

This is an logic error:

"Quick note on the vodoo tongues. The devil cannot create, he can only pervert what God has already done. So, if there is a demonic or false version of tongues, that means there HAS to be a real version still in operation."

Me: If one believes there is quakers living on the Moon, then it must be true that there are quakers living on the Moon or Sun.

"
Joseph Smith, as his source, Oliver B. Huntington wrote with significant detail:

“The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or the one fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph the Seer, and he could ‘See’ whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see”1" Early Mormon Leaders on the Inhabitants of the Sun and Moon – Mormonism Research Ministry


Brigham Young expanded on the teaching that the Sun was inhabited.

“Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?… when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fathers. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized”.8

Going the Extra Mile to Mitigate Criticism of Joseph Smith

In One-Minute Answers to Anti-Mormon Questions, Mormon author Stephen W. Gibson writes:

“At the present time, man has no scientific or revealed knowledge of whether or not there are inhabitants on the earth’s moon. The fact that a handful of astronauts didn’t see any inhabitants in the tiny area they viewed when they landed on the moon decades ago certainly gives no definitive information, any more than visitors to earth who might land in barren Death Valley would have any idea of the billions of inhabitants elsewhere.”9

Using the poor logic your post did, there are people living on the Moon and Sun. Early Mormon Leaders on the Inhabitants of the Sun and Moon – Mormonism Research Ministry

Therefore, three dollar bills must be real. Go spend one.

 

[topher694]

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Therefore, three dollar bills must be real. Go spend one.

Doubling down on your ignorance I see.

My "argument" was 100% sound logic. Specifically it was classic Modus Ponens, a foundation part of logic. Now, you may believe my premise is invalid, however that is a different thing than logic. The argument was absolutely logical.

You're response however contained at least 5 logical fallacies:
Strawman
Appeal to Ridicule
False Attribution
Incomplete Comparison
Personal Incredulity

 

[Daniel Marsh]

http://dailyqt.org/docs/corinthianmysteryreligions.pdf

"God, he testifies, later gave him a sign in confirmation of his voice. He later received “the holy spirit” (not capitalized!) and began to speak in tongues. For Wierwille, this was the starting point of his true mission. "
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kreitz/Christian/Cults/4.way.pdf

I Faked Speaking in Tongues

Isaiah 28:9-13 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
God Wants to Help His People
9 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? 10 He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”[a]

11 So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.

12 In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”

But they would not listen to him. 13 So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

Footnotes:
Isaiah 28:10 Saw lasaw … ze’er sham This is probably a Hebrew song to teach little children how to write. It sounds like baby talk or a foreign language, but it can also be translated, “A command here, a command there. A rule here, a rule there. A lesson here, a lesson there.” Also in verse 13.
Isaiah 28:13 senseless sounds Or “gibberish” or “baby talk.”

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[Daniel Marsh]

"“When Joseph asked Brigham Young to pray, Brigham spoke in tongues, using strange sounds and unfamiliar words. The others looked at Joseph in some perplexity, for this type of spiritual phenomenon was not common to them. It was Joseph's first experience with the puzzling speech and he called it ‘pure Adamic' and stated that it was ‘of God.' Speaking in tongues spread through the Pennsylvania branches of the church first, then occurred in Mendon, New York. Brigham Young brought it to Kirtland. The practice became a part of the Saints' worship – particularly among women – until well into the next century.”" Mormon Quotes on Speaking in Tongues

Mormon Chronicles: Chronology: Speaking in Tongues in Mormon History