Repent of our Sins?

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Sure, I apologize about that. I get distracted by other things within an OP and often times forget to address the main question.

The main question is: "If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved?"

Yes, the most clear statement for this doctrine is in John 5:24, which says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

Jesus says clearly the person that believes HAS (present tense) everlasting life, which defines itself as life that will never end; Christ further clarifies that the person shall not (future tense) come into condemnation, but has passed from death unto life, which is an absolute statement without condition. He doesn't say, "you have passed from death unto life except thou sin again," or anything of such like. The condition is: if you believe, you are given unending life and are saved without the possibility of being eternally condemned.

Easy believism isn't a-biblical; rather, it's very biblical. It's so easy to believe on Christ, that a child can do it. Christ likens receiving salvation to eating a piece of bread, or drinking a glass of water. It's supposed to be easy... that's the idea. It's easy because Christ made it possible that we can be saved. The gospel means good news, after all. It wouldn't be good news if salvation was difficult to receive or maintain.

No. John 5:24 says that you not only need to believe in Jesus, but you need to hear (obey) the words of Jesus, too. So we need Justification (God's grace through faith) and we need Sanctification (Holy living by God working through us) as a part of salvation. This is what John 5:24 is saying. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and James 2:24 essentially say we need both Justification and Sanctification as a part of salvation, as well.
 
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Sure, I apologize about that. I get distracted by other things within an OP and often times forget to address the main question.

The main question is: "If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved?"

Yes, the most clear statement for this doctrine is in John 5:24, which says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

Jesus says clearly the person that believes HAS (present tense) everlasting life, which defines itself as life that will never end; Christ further clarifies that the person shall not (future tense) come into condemnation, but has passed from death unto life, which is an absolute statement without condition. He doesn't say, "you have passed from death unto life except thou sin again," or anything of such like. The condition is: if you believe, you are given unending life and are saved without the possibility of being eternally condemned.

Easy believism isn't a-biblical; rather, it's very biblical. It's so easy to believe on Christ, that a child can do it. Christ likens receiving salvation to eating a piece of bread, or drinking a glass of water. It's supposed to be easy... that's the idea. It's easy because Christ made it possible that we can be saved. The gospel means good news, after all. It wouldn't be good news if salvation was difficult to receive or maintain.

Jesus says, "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3) (NKJV).

To repent is to seek forgiveness with Jesus. John the Baptist said bring forth fruits worthy of repentance because the axe is laid root to the tree. Meaning, these Jews were going to be cut down unless they did some kind of worthy good works or fruit. Jesus said a similar thing in John 15. If the branch does not bear forth fruit, it will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Paul says you can deny God by a lack of works in Titus 1:16. Also, Titus 2:11-12 says God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. Jude 1:4 says that there are those who turn God's grace into a license for immorality. Surely that is not good.
 
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Then you'd be wrong, biblically speaking. What you just pushed is the entitlement mentality. Grace isn't an entitlement. Grace is undeserved favor. So if its undeserved where do you find your entitlement to something you don't deserve.? God isn't obligated to do anything to include grant anyone grace. I love my children but they aren't entitled to any grace I may extend to him. Im not obligated to love them either, even though I do love them. God is not obligated to love his creation just because of its one of his many attributes.
Underserved favour is for anyone then, since your such a stickler for terms. Because God so loved the world. You mentioned Esau was hated but because of thinking his inheritance was a common thing not to be regarded as Holy. Surely there are more that God knows will reject grace but it’s not like Esau wasn’t entitled to begin with.
 
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Thank you for your interpretation. Haven't seen "common" and "saving" grace distinguished as such before. And Jer 31:31-34 has historically been understood as applying to all of humanity, the Church being the new Israel. But there's always something new I guess.
There is no such thing as jew or gentile, for all are one, in unity, in Christ. Let me remind you that not all Israel are Israel. Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”… 8 So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring.

Let us not forget Acts 2:39 also applies to the remnant: 39 This promise belongs to you and to your children and to all who are far off, to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”
 
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Underserved favour is for anyone then, since your such a stickler for terms. Because God so loved the world. You mentioned Esau was hated but because of thinking his inheritance was a common thing not to be regarded as Holy. Surely there are more that God knows will reject grace but it’s not like Esau wasn’t entitled to begin with.

Wrong. You are conflating common grace (rain, sun, earth, etc) with special or saving grace that is given only to those God determined to save before the foundation of the world began. Eph. 1:4, 11

You stated: You mentioned Esau was hated but because of thinking his inheritance was a common thing not to be regarded as Holy.

I didnt say why he was hated. He wasnt hated like many think from a westernized thought process. Furthermore, it wasn't just Esau but his lineage. Esau's people served Jacob's lineage historically. Lastly, Romans 8:28 through the last verse of chapter 11 is about the elect.
 
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2 Thessalonians is clearly speaking of the AntiChrist in the end times, and the Mark of the Beast is clearly a primary wonder of the end times, when all that take it shall worship the Beast. Those that perish only will take the Mark (that is, those who are unsaved).

I'm not ignoring it, but I'm only trying to stay on track with the OP which is about sin/repentance after coming to faith in Christ and whether that affects salvation.

This OP is not about the Mark of the Beast and if those who take it were saved/can be saved. This OP is actually about the validity of Once Saved, Always Saved. While I admit the Mark of the Beast may play a slight part in that conversation, to the degree that we've taken our discussion, it is becoming off-topic.

Feel free to message me privately about it, and we can talk about it all you want there. :)
I disagree that it is off-topic. It is pertinent to the discussion since it illustrates a very practical example of sin/repentance after coming to faith in Christ and whether this affects salvation. And in this example, the sin is taking the mark. Rev 14:9 plainly states if "anyone" which means everyone who accepts the mark is tormented in the lake of fire. Everyone applies to unbelievers and believers. That is why v.12 calls upon the SAINTS to be patient by keeping the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus instead of accepting the mark. Despite the plain meaning of the passage, I doubt this will change your mind.
 
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No. John 5:24 says that you not only need to believe in Jesus, but you need to hear (obey) the words of Jesus, too. So we need Justification (God's grace through faith) and we need Sanctification (Holy living by God working through us) as a part of salvation. This is what John 5:24 is saying. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and James 2:24 essentially say we need both Justification and Sanctification as a part of salvation, as well.

Sanctification is a part of being elect. Justification is the cause of sanctification. if you've been justified by the gift of saving faith you will endure to the end via sanctification.
 
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Luckily James chapter 2 isnt talking about salvation! And no disrespect but i did include v10 previously
In case you are not aware, justification is salvation. When one is saved, one is justified. Js 2:24 plainly states one is justified by WORKS and NOT BY faith alone.
 
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Wrong. You are conflating common grace (rain, sun, earth, etc) with special or saving grace that is given only to those God determined to save before the foundation of the world began. Eph. 1:4, 11
Ya that doesn’t really say anything to me.
just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love.
In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will,​

That is the only inheritance. But anyway grace to be of the inheritance is obtainable to everyone. Simply He does send rain and sun on everyone (grace to the world) but for His purposes to be fulfilled is another baptism.

We could go in circles with the application of your terms of speaking and my terms of speaking but in effect the commonality is in the understanding.
 
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I disagree that it is off-topic. It is pertinent to the discussion since it illustrates a very practical example of sin/repentance after coming to faith in Christ and whether this affects salvation. And in this example, the sin is taking the mark. Rev 14:9 plainly states if "anyone" which means everyone who accepts the mark is tormented in the lake of fire. Everyone applies to unbelievers and believers. That is why v.12 calls upon the SAINTS to be patient by keeping the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus instead of accepting the mark. Despite the plain meaning of the passage, I doubt this will change your mind.


Heres' why its off-topic. Jesus said all who the father has already given him he won't lose a single one of them except for Judas Iscariot. That means justification sets in a due course for glorification. Those God saves no one can pluck them out of his hands. no one who is truly saved will take the mark of the beast.
 
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Ya that doesn’t really say anything to me.
just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love.
In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will,​

That is the only inheritance. But anyway grace to be of the inheritance is obtainable to everyone. Simply He does send rain and sun on everyone (grace to the world) but for His purposes to be fulfilled is another baptism.

We could go in circles with the application of your terms of speaking and my terms of speaking but in effect the commonality is in the understanding.

We obtain the inheritance as a part of the gift of salvation. If grace were as you suggest Jesus would have prayed for the entire world instead of just for those the Father had given him before the foundation of the world began.

The lost cannot please God so they are not entitled, as you so erroneously claim, to the saving grace of God.
 
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Sanctification is a part of being elect. Justification is the cause of sanctification. if you've been justified by the gift of saving faith you will endure to the end via sanctification.

Nope.

John 17:17
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

Ephesians 5:25-27
25 "...even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish."

1 Thessalonians 4:3
"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:"

"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (2 Corinthians 7:1).

"For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness." (1 Thessalonians 4:7).

We are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).

Paul says we can live one way via by flesh (sin) and we will die spiritually, but if we put to death the misdeeds of the body (sin) via by the Spirit, we will live eternally (See: Romans 8:13).
 
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Heres' why its off-topic. Jesus said all who the father has already given him he won't lose a single one of them except for Judas Iscariot. That means justification sets in a due course for glorification. Those God saves no one can pluck them out of his hands. no one who is truly saved will take the mark of the beast.
BUT, once justified that begins the course of sanctification/confirmation/growing in grace whatever you want to term it as. That doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone is so dedicated to follow thru. Many build with wood and straw rather than relying on the Holy Spirit work to bring them to glorification.

ETA I meant consecration not confirmation in the RCC term of sanctification, which is a learning process.
 
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Sanctification is a part of being elect. Justification is the cause of sanctification. if you've been justified by the gift of saving faith you will endure to the end via sanctification.

"Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;"
(Colossians 3:12).
 
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We obtain the inheritance as a part of the gift of salvation. If grace were as you suggest Jesus would have prayed for the entire world instead just for those the Father had given him before the foundation of the world began.

The lost cannot please God so they are not entitled, as you so erroneously claim, to the saving grace of God. You are twisting the bible to push your unbiblical beliefs.
I would prefer not to be bashed for my beliefs. Thank you. And accused of twisting anything. The lost are meant to be found. Some just prefer to stay lost.
 
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Sanctification is a part of being elect. Justification is the cause of sanctification. if you've been justified by the gift of saving faith you will endure to the end via sanctification.

We are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​


We are told to:

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).

  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).

  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

This does not sound automatic or forced to me as a part of being one of the Elect. We are told to continue in the faith, continue in His grace, continue in His goodness otherwise we can be cut off.
 
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BUT, once justified that begins the course of sanctification/confirmation/growing in grace whatever you want to term it as. That doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone is so dedicated to follow thru. Many build with wood and straw rather than relying on the Holy Spirit work to bring them to glorification.

You conflate judging of deeds with the condition of the heart. See 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. Jesus was very clear that all who were given to him by the father he won't lose ANYONE of them accept the son of perdition who was Judas Iscariot. See John 6: 37-65
 
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Eph 2:8-9 we are saved by Grace through faith NOT OF WORKS.

The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.

If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23

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If you say "no" then you are saying that it takes faith and works to be saved which is completely unbiblical: Galatians 5:4 Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:28

I propose that salvation can only be obtained when grace is given to you. FOR BY GRACE are we saved through faith. Once God gives you grace, you believe and you turn from your sins. Once one has received grace, they no longer want to sin, they want to obey God. Grace is overlooked in the Bible but you cant have faith or works without grace. Ephesians 2:10 2 Corinthians 12:9 Romans 6:14 Romans 11:6 Hebrews 4:16
YOU SAID:The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.
Maybe you do not know what repentance is. It is the ability to successfully turn away from your one or many sins. If we feel secure in our sins so much that we do not repent, then the Holy Spirit is not working in us.
“Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.” - Proverbs 28:13

“I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.” - Luke 15:7

Blessings
 
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"Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;"
(Colossians 3:12).
The word Therefore means go back and find the context. Therefore in the Greek basically means "For this reason?" What reason? For the just stated reason put on the bowels of mrecyise kindness etc . But why ? See verse 1 of that chapter.
 
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Yes but no-where does the Bible tell us to repent of sin for salvation
You employ an argument of silence which is a logical fallacy. Throughout Scripture there are a multitude of sins listed including unbelief among others. As I understand your argument in order to be saved, a person need only repent of unbelief. That is because of verses like Jn 3:16. So what about the other sins? If I steal, or lie, do I need to repent of those sins or not? If I'm saved from my unbelief but remain a chronic thief or liar, am I still saved despite my habitual sins? You believe Jn 3:16 don't you for eternal life? Do you not also believe Heb 5:9 for eternal life? Both believing and obeying are requisite for eternal life; not just belief.
Repent means to change one's mind but it also includes corresponding action which demonstrates that I have indeed changed my mind. After all, the Apostle Paul who should know what the gospel message entailed, stated this in Acts 26:20 "First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds."
 
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