The Truth about our Future

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Jeremiah 33:1-3 The Word of the Lord came to Jeremiah while he was imprisoned. The Lord says: If you call to Me, I will answer and tell you of great and mysterious things that you are unaware of.
Jeremiah prophesied to the House of Judah, many years after the House of Israel was taken into exile by the Assyrians. He foretold how things would be after the Babylonian conquest of Judah, but this was not completely fulfilled then or after the Roman conquest of Judah in 70-135 AD.

Jeremiah 33:4-5 & 10 The houses of this city and the great buildings of Judah which are now destroyed by the sword of judgement, will be filled with dead bodies. They are those slain by the Lord Himself, because He has turned away from them. The Lord says: See this Land, now in ruins and devoid of people and animals.

This is not fulfilled as yet. Jeremiah 9:10-11, Isaiah 4:3-6, Ezekiel 30:1-5

Ezekiel 21:14...swing the great sword of slaughter three times, whirling about Judah.
As Ezekiel says: there will be a triple fulfilment of the punishment of Judah. Two of these have happened, by Babylon and Rome but the next is ‘by the Lord Himself’, by the means of a coronal mass ejection, a sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26
This event is prophesied and graphically described over 100 times in the Bible, as ‘the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’. The entire Middle East will become ‘ruined and devoid of people and animals’. This was not the case with the two previous punishments. Ezekiel 6:14, Zephaniah 1:18, Zechariah 3:10

But for now, as we await this sudden and terrifying Day that the Lord will take action, we must:
Isaiah 35:3-4 Brace the arms that are limp, steady the knees that give way, say to the anxious: Be strong, fear not. Your God comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. Jeremiah 30:4-11, Zephaniah 3:16-20, Hebrews 10:37-39

Isaiah 35:5 THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. Isaiah 29:24 The confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction. Isaiah 6:9-10

The truth about this coming event is not generally known among believers. The reason is due to beliefs in false theories, Isaiah 29:9-12, or a lack of interest in prophecy. They remain ‘in the dark’ about what will happen. 2 Thess. 5:1-11 Only during or after it happens, will understanding be given to all those who have been unable to comprehend the Prophetic Word. They will say: It was there; in plain language, but I couldn’t see it!

Soon after that, many prophesies say how the holy Land will be regenerated;

Jeremiah 33:6-9 In this Land, will be heard once more the sounds of joy and gladness, of weddings and celebrations. People will shout: Praise the Lord, for He is good, His love endures forever’, as they offer thanksgiving in the House of the Lord. By the Word of the Lord: In this place and in all its towns, now ruined and cleared of all peoples and animals, flocks and herds will once more graze. My people will receive all the blessings that I have promised to them. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:13-15

Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will come back and enter Zion with shouts of triumph, with great joy and singing praises to their God. Suffering and sorrow will flee away. Zechariah 9:16-17, Romans 9:24-26

Great are the promises the Lord has made to His faithful Christian people. We will indeed ‘sing praises to the Lord’, when we are settled into our inheritance. Ephesians 1:10-14, 3:6
The House of the Lord: the third Temple will be built in Jerusalem.
Ref; logostelos.info

 

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If you say "its not fulfilled yet", arent you lowering down the work of Christ and His words that everything is fulfilled?

How do you deal with it?

 

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If you say "its not fulfilled yet", arent you lowering down the work of Christ and His words that everything is fulfilled?

The resurrection of the dead in Christ hasn't been fulfilled yet.

 

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The resurrection of the dead in Christ hasn't been fulfilled yet.

Did we not go from the death to life alredy?

Was not the gospel preached to dead ones in hades/sheol? Were they not be taken to heaven?

 

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Did we not go from the death to life alredy?

The dead have not been resurrected bodily yet.

Was not the gospel preached to dead ones in hades/sheol? Were they not be taken to heaven?

Nothing is written about them going anywhere.

 

[keras]

Did we not go from the death to life alredy?

Was not the gospel preached to dead ones in hades/sheol? Were they not be taken to heaven?

We Christians have the Promise of Eternal Life, John 3:16, but will only receive it at the final Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
The dead know nothing, as they 'sleep' in the grave and no one goes to heaven; Jesus said so. John 3:13, John 17:15, +

 

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If you say "its not fulfilled yet", arent you lowering down the work of Christ and His words that everything is fulfilled?

How do you deal with it?

I have no problem in reading and understanding what the Lord has told us, thru His prophets, about His plans for our future.
How do you deal with the 25 Bible scriptures that I presented in the OP?

 

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The dead know nothing, as they 'sleep' in the grave and no one goes to heaven; Jesus said so. John 3:13, John 17:15, +

I am hard pressed between the two: my desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better
Philippians 1:23

...we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord
2 Corinthians 5:8

You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect
Heb 12:23

 

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How do you deal with the 25 Bible scriptures that I presented in the OP?

All fullfiled.

 

[keras]

I am hard pressed between the two: my desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better
Philippians 1:23

...we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord
2 Corinthians 5:8

You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect
Heb 12:23

None of those, or any other scripture says that we go to live in heaven.

All fullfiled.

This is a discussion forum. Flat statements like this do not cut it.
For example: When was all the holy Land devoid of people and animals?

 

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None of those, or any other scripture says that we go to live in heaven.

People are surely not sleeping, knowing nothing. They are alive with the Lord and made perfect as my quotations say.

This is a discussion forum. Flat statements like this do not cut it.
For example: When was all the holy Land devoid of people and animals?

"This is what the Lord says: ‘You say about this place, “It is a desolate waste, without people or animals.” Yet in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem that are deserted, inhabited by neither people nor animals, there will be heard once more joy..."
Jer 33:10
In the time of Jeremiah, obviously, because of Babylonian armies.

 

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People are surely not sleeping, knowing nothing. They are alive with the Lord and made perfect as my quotations say.

We have the Promise of Eternal life.
Revelation 20:11-15 is quite clear: only when the Book of Life is opened, does anyone receive it. Even Daniel 12:13, has to wait until then.

"This is what the Lord says: ‘You say about this place, “It is a desolate waste, without people or animals.” Yet in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem that are deserted, inhabited by neither people nor animals, there will be heard once more joy..."
Jer 33:10
In the time of Jeremiah, obviously, because of Babylonian armies.

Rubbish. The Bible says the Babylonians left a few lowly people in Israel. There certainly remained animals and birds. Not like it will be after the terrible Day of fire from the Lord. Hosea 4:3, Joel1:19, +

 

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Rubbish. The Bible says the Babylonians left a few lowly people in Israel. There certainly remained animals and birds.

Extreme literalism. The point of the story is not that you could not find one animal or bird anywhere.

The point is that the land was desolated by huge armies. Animals killed/hunted for meal, people killed or taken captive.

 

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Extreme literalism. The point of the story is not that you could not find one animal or bird anywhere.

The point is that the land was desolated by huge armies. Animals killed/hunted for meal, people killed or taken captive.

These prophesies are yet to happen:

Isaiah 28:22b ....For I have heard that destruction is decreed upon the whole Land.

Isaiah 10:23 For the Lord of Hosts will bring final destruction on the whole Land.

Ezekiel 20:47 The Lord says: I am about to kindle a fire, one that will consume anything flammable. All of the Land and people from the Negev northward will be scorched by it.

Ezekiel 21:4 It is because I intend to make away with both righteous and wicked alike, that My sword of punishment is against everyone from the Negev northward.

Jeremiah 22:6-7 The Lord says about the Royal House of Judah: Though you are dear to Me, I swear that I shall turn your Land into a desert; a Land of towns no longer inhabited. A destructive host will come upon you and burn your dwellings.

Jeremiah 21:14 I shall punish you as you deserve, I shall set fire to your open Land, it will devour everything round about.

Hosea 4:3 Therefore the Land will be desolate, all that lives in it will be wasted, even the wild animals, birds and the fish of the sea will vanish.

Jeremiah 7:34 From the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem, I shall banish all sounds of joy and gladness, for the whole Land will become a desert.

Zephaniah 1:18 On the Day of the Lord’s wrath, by the fire of His jealousy, the whole Land will be consumed, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land.

Micah 1:6 I shall reduce Samaria to a ruin, to a place for planting vineyards. I will level the hills and valleys; lay bare their foundations.

Micah 5:11 I shall devastate the cities of your Land and destroy your military power.

Amos 6:11 When the Lord commands, great houses will be reduced to rubble and the small houses shattered.


Jeremiah 8:16 The sound of the Destroyer approaches and the whole Land trembles, it comes and consumes everything, crops, trees, city and citizens alike.

Joel 1:15-20 The Day of the Lord comes; a mighty destruction from the Almighty, all food is cut off, the Land is shriveled and dry, for fire has consumed the pastures and every tree is burned up. Jeremiah 25:38 The Land has become a waste and ruined because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

Jeremiah 10:19 The Land says: O the pain of my wounds, I have suffered cruel injuries and am laid low, but I must endure it, because the shepherds of the people are fools and never consult the Lord; so their flock is scattered.

Jeremiah 9:10 I shall chant a dirge over the mountains and pastures, for all is scorched and untrodden, I hear no sound of livestock, even the birds have fled and gone.

Jeremiah 4:26-28 The fertile Land has become a wilderness, its towns all razed to the ground before the fierce anger of the Lord. The Lord says: the whole Land will be desolate, totally destroyed. All the earth will be in mourning for this and the sky will be black. For now I have made known My purpose, I will not relent or change it.

Isaiah 32:12 Go into mourning for your pleasant fields and fruitful Land; for every happy home in the bustling city. Houses are forsaken and the streets are deserted.

Isaiah 33:8a-9 The roads are deserted, the Land is parched and dry. Lebanon is dried out, Sharon is like a desert and Bashan and Gilead are stripped bare.

Isaiah 24:10 & 13 The city is shattered and in chaos....all joy and merriment has gone from the Land. Nothing but desolation is left and the entrances to the city are smashed.

Jeremiah 12:4 &10-13 How long must the country lie parched, its grass withered? No birds or beasts are left, because God has judged the wicked inhabitants, they said: God does not see what we are doing. A sword from the Lord has devoured the Land from end to end and now it’s all a desolate wilderness. Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

 

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Great are the promises the Lord has made to His faithful Christian people. We will indeed ‘sing praises to the Lord’, when we are settled into our inheritance. Ephesians 1:10-14, 3:6
The House of the Lord: the third Temple will be built in Jerusalem.

the rebuilding of an earthly temple building for believers to again worship in is in direct contradiction to the words of God himself who literally stated:

John 4:21 Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

What is the direct opposite of no longer wosrhiping in Jerusalem in association with the temple? Worshiping in Jerusalem in association with a temple.

 

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These prophesies are yet to happen:

Isaiah 28:22b ....For I have heard that destruction is decreed upon the whole Land.

Isaiah 10:23 For the Lord of Hosts will bring final destruction on the whole Land.

Ezekiel 20:47 The Lord says: I am about to kindle a fire, one that will consume anything flammable. All of the Land and people from the Negev northward will be scorched by it.

Ezekiel 21:4 It is because I intend to make away with both righteous and wicked alike, that My sword of punishment is against everyone from the Negev northward.

Jeremiah 22:6-7 The Lord says about the Royal House of Judah: Though you are dear to Me, I swear that I shall turn your Land into a desert; a Land of towns no longer inhabited. A destructive host will come upon you and burn your dwellings.

Jeremiah 21:14 I shall punish you as you deserve, I shall set fire to your open Land, it will devour everything round about.

Hosea 4:3 Therefore the Land will be desolate, all that lives in it will be wasted, even the wild animals, birds and the fish of the sea will vanish.

Jeremiah 7:34 From the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem, I shall banish all sounds of joy and gladness, for the whole Land will become a desert.

Zephaniah 1:18 On the Day of the Lord’s wrath, by the fire of His jealousy, the whole Land will be consumed, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land.

Micah 1:6 I shall reduce Samaria to a ruin, to a place for planting vineyards. I will level the hills and valleys; lay bare their foundations.

Micah 5:11 I shall devastate the cities of your Land and destroy your military power.

Amos 6:11 When the Lord commands, great houses will be reduced to rubble and the small houses shattered.


Jeremiah 8:16 The sound of the Destroyer approaches and the whole Land trembles, it comes and consumes everything, crops, trees, city and citizens alike.

Joel 1:15-20 The Day of the Lord comes; a mighty destruction from the Almighty, all food is cut off, the Land is shriveled and dry, for fire has consumed the pastures and every tree is burned up. Jeremiah 25:38 The Land has become a waste and ruined because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

Jeremiah 10:19 The Land says: O the pain of my wounds, I have suffered cruel injuries and am laid low, but I must endure it, because the shepherds of the people are fools and never consult the Lord; so their flock is scattered.

Jeremiah 9:10 I shall chant a dirge over the mountains and pastures, for all is scorched and untrodden, I hear no sound of livestock, even the birds have fled and gone.

Jeremiah 4:26-28 The fertile Land has become a wilderness, its towns all razed to the ground before the fierce anger of the Lord. The Lord says: the whole Land will be desolate, totally destroyed. All the earth will be in mourning for this and the sky will be black. For now I have made known My purpose, I will not relent or change it.

Isaiah 32:12 Go into mourning for your pleasant fields and fruitful Land; for every happy home in the bustling city. Houses are forsaken and the streets are deserted.

Isaiah 33:8a-9 The roads are deserted, the Land is parched and dry. Lebanon is dried out, Sharon is like a desert and Bashan and Gilead are stripped bare.

Isaiah 24:10 & 13 The city is shattered and in chaos....all joy and merriment has gone from the Land. Nothing but desolation is left and the entrances to the city are smashed.

Jeremiah 12:4 &10-13 How long must the country lie parched, its grass withered? No birds or beasts are left, because God has judged the wicked inhabitants, they said: God does not see what we are doing. A sword from the Lord has devoured the Land from end to end and now it’s all a desolate wilderness. Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Most of it is still the same thing - wars, famines and other distress described in highly depressing language of lamentation.

Perfectly usual in those cultures. Have you ever seen the emotinal cries of people from middle east in TV news? Your quotations are not from calm and introverted Finland, but from the middle east and in the middle eastern style, "suprisingly".

Not realizing this style and form seems to force you to push such descriptions to future, because you must wait for this planet to become like dead Mars or something like that to be finally literally the same as the text.

When you recognize that its a lamentation, not a photographical description in the Science magazine, your eschatology may drastically change.

 

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the rebuilding of an earthly temple building for believers to again worship in is in direct contradiction to the words of God himself who literally stated:

John 4:21 Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

What is the direct opposite of no longer wosrhiping in Jerusalem in association with the temple? Worshiping in Jerusalem in association with a temple.

Yes: the time did come, when believers worshipped the Lord away from the holy Land. We are still in that time, but soon to change as dramatic prophesied events come to pass.

Remember that our God is an unchanging God, Malachi 3:6 He did want a Temple before and many scriptures tell of future worship in a new Temple in Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:16-21

Then, only after the Millennium, as God Himself comes to earth to dwell, there will be no need for the Temple. Revelation 21:21 Maybe convert it into a museum then.

 

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Most of it is still the same thing - wars, famines and other distress described in highly depressing language of lamentation.

Perfectly usual in those cultures. Have you ever seen the emotinal cries of people from middle east in TV news? Your quotations are not from calm and introverted Finland, but from the middle east and in the middle eastern style, "suprisingly".

Not realizing this style and form seems to force you to push such descriptions to future, because you must wait for this planet to become like dead Mars or something like that to be finally literally the same as the text.

When you recognize that its a lamentation, not a photographical description in the Science magazine, your eschatology may drastically change.

So; all the scriptures I quoted in #14, are just 'lamentations'? Of no literal meaning at all?
Sorry, but I and plenty of other people, just do not buy that.

They are all prophesies about an situation that has not yet happened, but surely will, Ezekiel 33:33, Habakkuk 2:3
If it is never intended to happen, why is it all in our Bibles? And if that is the case, then God is the ultimate 'cry wolf' syndrome.

 

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So; all the scriptures I quoted in #14, are just 'lamentations'? Of no literal meaning at all?
Sorry, but I and plenty of other people, just do not buy that.

They are all prophesies about an situation that has not yet happened, but surely will, Ezekiel 33:33, Habakkuk 2:3
If it is never intended to happen, why is it all in our Bibles? And if that is the case, then God is the ultimate 'cry wolf' syndrome.

Well if you see a middle eastern man crying about what the American bombs did with his house and family, you have two possibilities:
a) to understand his pain and depression and the emotional language
b) to think its a literal prophecy for the future, because if he said "no animal", then you are taking it technically and searching whole the land for any sign of any animal and if you find one snake behind a stone, you say "ha! So he is not talking about the present day!".

You obviously take b). But its ignoring almost everything about the text, style, context and genre.

 

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Well if you see a middle eastern man crying about what the American bombs did with his house and family, you have two possibilities:
a) to understand his pain and depression and the emotional language
b) to think its a literal prophecy for the future, because if he said "no animal", then you are taking it technically and searching whole the land for any sign of any animal and if you find one snake behind a stone, you say "ha! So he is not talking about the present day!".

You obviously take b). But its ignoring almost everything about the text, style, context and genre.

But if what is prophesied CAN literally be fulfilled, then it will be.
You obviously don't know or are able comprehend the massive catastrophe that is plainly described and yet to happen. In ancient times God destroyed a wicked civilization by a great Flood. We are again in the same situation as in the days of Noah. Matthew 24:27-37
This time the Lord will use fire and the entire holy Land will be devastated and depopulated. Hosea 4:3 says that even the fish will be gone.

That you don't like and refuse to accept this scenario, is your prerogative. It's a shame, though; as it means you and most people will be surprised and shocked as the sun is darkened, the moon shines blood red, earthquakes shake the world and tsunamis wipe out every coastal habitation.