Unclean question

[visionary]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

 

[Anguspure]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

Unclean for those who have rejected grace and are judged under the Law.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

... Is this a clean question, or an unclean question ?




(to be continued)

 

[Jonaitis]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

Isn't Revelation full of Old Testament symbolism? Likely, it represents something.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

symbolism

re instead of unclean, as clean vs unclean / kosher vs unkosher >>>
Good News Translation
He cried out in a loud voice: "She has fallen! Great Babylon has fallen! She is now haunted by demons and unclean spirits; all kinds of filthy and hateful birds live in her.

 

[eleos1954]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

Not everything has been made clean in the NT ... who teaches that?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not everything has been made clean in the NT ... who teaches that?

False teachers, of course..... (you did know that already, right? this was a rhetorical question not needing answered)

 

[pinacled]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

Birds plural in a Hebrew connotation represents a lack in the spirit of knowledge. An expression of absolute destruction upon those who rebuilt Jericho's walls of prosperity at the cost of their own children's lives.

This has been done for a few millennia in the spiritual sense.
And will be accounted for swiftly.

 

[pinacled]

False teachers, of course..... (you did know that already, right? this was a rhetorical question not needing answered)

The distinction given in clean and unclean is Sealed by the ruach ha'kodesh

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Birds plural in a Hebrew connotation represents a lack in the spirit of knowledge. An expression of absolute destruction upon those who rebuilt Jericho's walls of prosperity at the cost of their own children's lives.
This has been done for a few millennia in the spiritual sense.
And will be accounted for swiftly.

This rings true, and sad, even daily heart-wrenching grief (I have seen so many children lost because of their parent's way and teaching them) (if the children did not get saved/healed/ by Yahuweh's Choice though not by their parent's way at all) even though I don't directly understand it fully.

It thus is subject to the Father's Revealing what is true and so forth - in His Time as He Pleases and as He Promised.

 

[pinacled]

This rings true, and sad, even daily heart-wrenching grief (I have seen so many children lost because of their parent's way and teaching them) (if the children did not get saved/healed/ by Yahuweh's Choice though not by their parent's way at all) even though I don't directly understand it fully.

It thus is subject to the Father's Revealing what is true and so forth - in His Time as He Pleases and as He Promised.

After the children of such parents mourn for a certain number of yom(days) they are released from such a burden as that has been laid on their shoulders.
And such a time is where Joy of such favor(grace) is freely given them in eternal hope in a name.

A Holy Name that has escaped the grasp of tongue of those whom desire another.

In mourning ?
How many days did the dove fly from and for noach..?

Unclean birds have eyes but do not see.

Unclean birds seek what is not theirs.

Clean birds multiply/divide the blessings_spoils/prey ll.

Unclean birds are inable to sing and touch what is Holy.

 

[pinacled]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

Birds divided is a symbol of the mark of the beast.
Dual house, etc...
Where cloven hoof represent clean flesh of earthen meat.
Birds are One in Spirit of flesh upon a single tree

 

[pinacled]

If all has been made clean in the new testament, why is there unclean birds in Revelation?

The unclean birds deny the first born of d-vd and his mourning name. They do not even acknowledge him.

While women are silent in mourning the matter.

There are innocent voices roaring from under the ark.

And They will be answered

 

[pinacled]

Lulav,

If you dare courage
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[Swan7]

You have to allow God to interpret His own Word - everything He wants us to know is already explained in it. It's just the matter of us asking Him and doing some searching around for these jewels of knowledge and understanding.

Read Revelation as a whole, but also pay attention to the OT and how God explains what specific words mean to Him.

 

[pinacled]

Most Torah students here are likely aware of the instructional dimensions of the ark given noach.

Those that seek to further explore and seek where each species clean and unclean where kept according to level will need study further the terrain aspect of each.

Birds kept in an aviary sense will be in the uppermost levels while the ballast of the ark would contain.....?

For those studying closely the instructions given noach.
Enjoy the Wisdom freely given.

Blessings Always

 

[tampasteve]

You have to allow God to interpret His own Word - everything He wants us to know is already explained in it.

Most MJ would not necessarily agree with this as we believe there is much explanation and clarification found in the additional sources such as the Talmud, etc. As our SOP states:
Literature: While we believe that the Bible is the Word of G-d, we also believe that it can be educational and informative to study other Jewish Literature such as the Mishnah Torah, Talmud etc. We believe, as Yeshua taught, that this does not overrule the Torah, nor is on equal basis with Torah, but it can be used to clarify ambiguous passages in the Bible.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Most MJ would not necessarily agree with this as we believe there is much explanation and clarification found in the additional sources such as the Talmud, etc. As our SOP states:
Literature: While we believe that the Bible is the Word of G-d, we also believe that it can be educational and informative to study other Jewish Literature such as the Mishnah Torah, Talmud etc. We believe, as Yeshua taught, that this does not overrule the Torah, nor is on equal basis with Torah, but it can be used to clarify ambiguous passages in the Bible.

Most MJ would not necessarily agree with this as we believe there is much explanation and clarification found in the additional sources such as the Talmud, etc. As our SOP states:
Literature: While we believe that the Bible is the Word of G-d, we also believe that it can be educational and informative to study other Jewish Literature such as the Mishnah Torah, Talmud etc. We believe, as Yeshua taught, that this does not overrule the Torah, nor is on equal basis with Torah, but it can be used to clarify ambiguous passages in the Bible.

I'm not disputing what you say but would you share the scripture where Yeshua taught that other literature does not overrule Torah?

 

[pinacled]

I'm not disputing what you say but would you share the scripture where Yeshua taught that other literature does not overrule Torah?

First study the Torah in spirit before questioning the generations worth of councel. You know the answer to your own question.

The mishnah and or talmud is comprised of many voices in guidance in expounding the TaNaKh.

Though there may be 100 who agree, a lesser number argued in vanity.
It is for each individual son or daughter to discern what is clean or unclean in their daily interaction with others.

One such example of conversation I read and observed elsewhere involved the traditional Hebrew connotation of honorifics that escaped the mind of a certain individual.e
The one such person whose heart was bent on cursing avrhm insisted his wife was anything other than pure an faithfull.

To even question her being anything other than clean revealed the heart of the one whose heart was not.
Sefaria: a Living Library of Jewish Texts Online

 

[pinacled]

Question for all readers here ..
Of the two birds dove and other sent from the ark by noach.
Which was clean?
Both?
Or one of the two?