gender dysphoria and the plight of parents

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That's because it's a lie. With very few exceptions, people are born either male, thus having an XY chromosome, or, female thus having an XX chromosome. Rarely, a child is born with attributes of both genders, and parents have to make a decision for the child.

No amount of behavior modification, hormone therapy, or, surgery, will change the XX into an XY, or, an XY into an XX. Additionally, political correctness, activism, and public opinion will have no effect either.

These people, are mentally ill, and living a lie, and it needs to understood as such. Anyone who thinks it's normal for a grown man with a penis, and testicles to put on women's underware, a dress, and then squat on a toilet next to a six year old prepubescent little girl is right, and normal, needs help.
 
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. They gave a few examples of trans surgeries or gender information that thePARENTS didn’t want. So maybe that was mainly the problem, that the parents refused to listen to their children . That type of serious disrespect of a child (especially an adolescent) always causes major problems and not just about gender.
There are disorders where people want their perfectly healthy legs amputated. Should a parent indulge in such a request from an adolescent or advise the teen that maybe just maybe they will change their minds later and that then they are adults they can do what they wish with their legs?


Body integrity dysphoria - Wikipedia
 
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I feel seriously disoriented by all this.
The Greek word: pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells. This is translated witchcraft or sorcery in the Bible. This is where we get our English word Pharmacy. 25 years ago I struggles with understanding this. Today with the drug epidemic there is no question as to how dangerous prescription drugs are. Some people believe this is the leading cause of death in this country.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:8) A house divided can not stand. Esp when people are divided and in conflict with themselves. The last thing they should be doing is taking drugs when they may already have issues with their hormones.

God made them male and female, man and women. We are told that they are to be joined or united together to become one. The enemy clearly wants division, not harmony.
 
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There are disorders where people want their perfectly healthy legs amputated. Should a parent indulge in such a request from an adolescent or advise the teen that maybe just maybe they will change their minds later and that then they are adults they can do what they wish with their legs?


Body integrity dysphoria - Wikipedia
. Deliberately Harming yourself physically or trying to get a doctor to do it. vs being the wrong gender for your body and having an insensitive parent who won’t listen to you. You really can’t compare the 2.
In one of the examples in that article the girl ran away from home and had the surgery anyway . What if her parents had listened to her? Maybe she would have listened to their advice or been able to think more carefully about what she wanted to do. Parents who listen prevent kids from overreacting.
 
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The Greek word: pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells. This is translated witchcraft or sorcery in the Bible. This is where we get our English word Pharmacy. 25 years ago I struggles with understanding this. Today with the drug epidemic there is no question as to how dangerous prescription drugs are. Some people believe this is the leading cause of death in this country.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:8) A house divided can not stand. Esp when people are divided and in conflict with themselves. The last thing they should be doing is taking drugs when they may already have issues with their hormones.

God made them male and female, man and women. We are told that they are to be joined or united together to become one. The enemy clearly wants division, not harmony.
. God making them only male and female is solely a religious belief. Nature is more complex than that! Even in species that normally have 2 sexes and that includes humans. That’s not due to the devil . The Bible just doesn’t have accurate descriptions of natural phenomena
 
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I'll note that there are three separate issues raised by the article and the court case.

1) What is the proper medical treatment (if any) for people with gender dysphoria?

2) Should transgender and gender nonconforming people be protected under the law?

3) How do we balance the civil rights of transgender people against the civil rights of other people to freely practice their religion?

Stories of people who were not helped by hormones or surgery might suggest caution in answering question #1, but questions #2 and #3 are different from #1. It's questions #2 and #3 that the court is deciding.
 
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That's because it's a lie. With very few exceptions, people are born either male, thus having an XY chromosome, or, female thus having an XX chromosome. Rarely, a child is born with attributes of both genders, and parents have to make a decision for the child.

No amount of behavior modification, hormone therapy, or, surgery, will change the XX into an XY, or, an XY into an XX. Additionally, political correctness, activism, and public opinion will have no effect either.

These people, are mentally ill, and living a lie, and it needs to understood as such. Anyone who thinks it's normal for a grown man with a penis, and testicles to put on women's underware, a dress, and then squat on a toilet next to a six year old prepubescent little girl is right, and normal, needs help.
What is your idea of how we should treat (medically) gender dysphoria, which is a very real thing even if our chromosomes say we are man or woman?
 
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. Deliberately Harming yourself physically or trying to get a doctor to do it. vs being the wrong gender for your body and having an insensitive parent who won’t listen to you. You really can’t compare the 2.
In one of the examples in that article the girl ran away from home and had the surgery anyway . What if her parents had listened to her? Maybe she would have listened to their advice or been able to think more carefully about what she wanted to do. Parents who listen prevent kids from overreacting.
Both examples the body is altered and organs irreplaceable.

The parents need to get the child help. Real help not quack doctors who want to pump the kids full of chemicals and mutilate their bodies. The parents were being protectors of their child.
 
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3) How do we balance the civil rights of transgender people against the civil rights of other people to freely practice their religion?
Don’t think they are pitting religion with transgendered. It is more redefining the meaning of “sex” in the Civil Rights Act. When it was drafted, debated, legislated, passed and signed into law the definition was male and female.
 
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What is your idea of how we should treat (medically) gender dysphoria, which is a very real thing even if our chromosomes say we are man or woman?
Psychiatric care. Like the dysphoria where one wants to amputate their legs, there is a detachment of the mental and physical. The solution is not to give in to these disorders but through counseling help repair the detachment.
 
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Psychiatric care. Like the dysphoria where one wants to amputate their legs, there is a detachment of the mental and physical. The solution is not to give in to these disorders but through counseling help repair the detachment.
But the experts - those medical professionals who initially tried to do that - now say that some form of gender transition is the “cure” for gender dysphoria. Meaning the thing that keeps people from absolute misery and self harm.
 
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But the experts - those medical professionals who initially tried to do that - now say that some form of gender transition is the “cure” for gender dysphoria. Meaning the thing that keeps people from absolute misery and self harm.
They really don’t know that. It will take years to get solid data on whether rushing into chemical alteration and bodily mutilation is “good” at all. We may just end up with dissatisfied and surgically altered depressed people. Then what?
 
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They really don’t know that. It will take years to get solid data on whether rushing into chemical alteration and bodily mutilation is “good” at all. We may just end up with dissatisfied and surgically altered depressed people. Then what?
They don’t recommend rushing into “chemical alteration and bodily mutilation.” Not at all. Most transgender people haven’t had gender reassignment surgery.
 
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They don’t recommend rushing into “chemical alteration and bodily mutilation.” Not at all. Most transgender people haven’t had gender reassignment surgery.
It depends on how aggressive the doctor treats the patient.

We already know those with gender dysphoria suffer abuse. Now we have an overzealous psychiatric and medical doctors exploiting them as well.
 
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God making them only male and female is solely a religious belief.
Actually this is pure science. Even male and female goes back before primates. Some believe that Algae May Point to Origin of Male-Female Split. The point is that He divides them into two so that He can join them back together as one. This is what natural selection is based on. Or even selective breeding.
 
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