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I'm not really sure in what way this is relevant to me.
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Given Christianity's emphasis on sin:
"Christianity teaches 'Don't' "would be a more appropriate meme.
OB
NOPE, NOT EVEN IN ALL-CAPS!Even if you change the font color, size, and style randomly?
Well that's false advertising. Because unless you're advocating full-blown antinomianism, then this simply isn't true.
There are plenty of "do's" in Christianity, most famously the Greatest Commandment, that we love God and our neighbor. Christ also says, "A new commandment I give you, that you love one another as I have loved you." The Sermon on the Mount is replete with commandments and instructions for how Christians ought to conduct our lives.
What you seem to be trying to argue is that certain forms of Christianity teach that our salvation isn't based on what we do, but rather on what Christ has done. This was the rallying cry of the Reformation; that we are justified by grace alone through faith on Christ's account alone.
The problem though with trying to use this as a contrast with other religions is that other religions don't share the Christian notion of salvation. And so the debate over Justification is something that can only exist within a specifically Christian context. It makes no sense in a Buddhist context, or a Hindu context, or a Wiccan context.
This to the extent that little to nothing is being said at all here.
-CryptoLutheran
A new commandment?
Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 19:9-18 - English Standard Version
Leviticus 19:9-18 English Standard Version (ESV)
Love Your Neighbor as Yourself
9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. 10 And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.
11 “You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another. 12 You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
13 “You shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of a hired worker shall not remain with you all night until the morning. 14 You shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God: I am the Lord.
15 “You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. 16 You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life[a] of your neighbor: I am the Lord.
17 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. 18 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.
The "new commandment" is , "That you love one another as I have loved you." The commandment to love our neighbors as ourselves isn't the new commandment.
-CryptoLutheran
And therein is the problem. What was Jesus’s biggest act of love?
His laying down His life by the cross.
-CryptoLutheran
======================================And so far, only a tiny percentage of Christians in history have done anything like that.
He also said there are MANY false, few true.People kept telling me that Jewish Law is impossible to keep and yet I never saw any one of them follow Christ’s greatest Commandment.
I don’t see the commandment to die for the person standing next to you as a great recruiting tool for Christianity, but then, I don’t see Christians doing a lot of what Jesus told them to do.
? maybe it was/ is an eye test ? i.e. "view" this> 'whatever'I'm not really sure in what way this is relevant to me.
And so far, only a tiny percentage of Christians in history have done anything like that. People kept telling me that Jewish Law is impossible to keep and yet I never saw any one of them follow Christ’s greatest Commandment. I don’t see the commandment to die for the person standing next to you as a great recruiting tool for Christianity, but then, I don’t see Christians doing a lot of what Jesus told them to do. Supply Side Jesus has taken over for the “Real” Jesus.
I do count you as one of the few posters on CF that truly gets it and I am not saying this as my sarcastic alter ego but as the real Jason.
Act of love or not, it doesn't seem to have the impact that me or any actual mortal would in sacrificing yourself for the sake of others, because I'm pretty sure I'm not coming back in 3 days. The exceptional nature of what supposedly happened to Jesus is not indication that there are special effects that resulted from it, only that it was unusual.His laying down His life by the cross.
-CryptoLutheran
Act of love or not, it doesn't seem to have the impact that me or any actual mortal would in sacrificing yourself for the sake of others, because I'm pretty sure I'm not coming back in 3 days. The exceptional nature of what supposedly happened to Jesus is not indication that there are special effects that resulted from it, only that it was unusual.
Just never found that compelling when this is also supposed to be God incarnate, yet is fully human, creating that contradiction only generally "explained" by appealing to divine mystery or using analogies that don't work categorically in talking about an entity that can exist in two places simultaneously with fundamentally different properties.
And so far, only a tiny percentage of Christians in history have done anything like that. People kept telling me that Jewish Law is impossible to keep and yet I never saw any one of them follow Christ’s greatest Commandment. I don’t see the commandment to die for the person standing next to you as a great recruiting tool for Christianity, but then, I don’t see Christians doing a lot of what Jesus told them to do. Supply Side Jesus has taken over for the “Real” Jesus.
I do count you as one of the few posters on CF that truly gets it and I am not saying this as my sarcastic alter ego but as the real Jason.
What are your feelings on people who undergo suffering without dying, would you say their sacrifice and experience isn't all that impactful?
Because this kind of "Well, Jesus was only dead for a few days, so it's not really meaningful." idea makes literally no sense to me, and tends to come across as dismissive for the sake of being dismissive.
I'd argue that all human suffering and pain matters.
-CryptoLutheran