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setst777 said: ↑
There is nothing good in your flesh. And that is why you were crucified to the flesh when you believed in Jesus.
Christians are no longer controlled by the flesh, for they died to the flesh as their master so they may now belong to another - our rightful Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus.
Setst RE: There was a problem before. Here is what you quoted and stated:
Setst RE: Presently you confess that you are still a vile sinner, a poor sinner, and nothing at all.
Where in Scripture is a Christian still a vile sinner?
If you presently still identify yourself as a vile, poor sinner, and nothing at all AFTER all God did to save you when you repented and believed in Jesus, then what were you saved from?
Here is another of your quotes showing the same problem…
Setst RE: We all agree that we still exist in the flesh (carnal body and mind), and that there is nothing good in our flesh. However, you are still professing to be that vile poor sinner, and nothing at all, while still claiming to be saved.
Question: What were you saved from if you are still a professing vile sinner, and nothing at all?
Question: How can you still confess to be a vile poor sinner, and nothing at all, if you were actually crucified (died to) to the flesh – the old man’s carnal control over you?
How can, if you are still a vile poor sinner, be living a New Life – a victorious life as a servant of righteousness?
You can only have one master – either you are still a slave to your vile sin nature, OR you are now saved from a sinful life to follow another – Christ Jesus.
So, I don’t understand what you are saying. I want to make perfectly clear to all who claim Christ, that they are no living in defeat. They are no longer vial sinners in Christ Jesus. We are overcomers in Christ.
We as Christians are no longer living in defeat under the control of the Old Carnal Man. Christ set us free.
How can you still claim defeat, when Scripture is claiming victory for Christians – a New Life of righteousness in Christ through faith leading to holiness and resulting in eternal life? Isn’t that the Gospel… the reason Christ died for us – to save us from sin and death? Yet you say you are still a poor vile sinner.
I don't want new Christians visiting this board to be mislead in their walk with Christ.
setst777 said: ↑
When we obey Christ Jesus through faith, we are walking by His Spirit, His Spirit giving us the victory over sin and Spiritual death...
Setst RE: Walking in the Spirit is never automatic.
Romans 8:3-4 (WEB)
3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation — but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Galatians 6:7-9 (NIV)
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked.
A man reaps what he sows.
8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
setst777 said: ↑
You still are stubbornly claiming your reality of life as the carnal flesh - the old man of sin is still your Master.
Setst RE: You did. You are still claiming to be a poor vile sinner. Under Christ Jesus, you cannot still be a poor vile sinner. That would mean you are still sold under slavery to sin.
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Those who are true Christians have died to the old man of sin, and gave become servants of Jesus, of righteousness, and God's holy children.
Setst RE: That is what I am understanding from you. This is what you were implying, not me.
If you claim you are still a poor vile sinner, you are admitting that you are still a slave under sin. For no one who is saved can at the same time still be a poor vile sinner.
So, if you are still a poor vile sinner, and nothing at all, then I can only deduce, from comprehension 101, that
You are stubbornly refusing all the blessing God has for you in Christ Jesus because you say you are nothing and still a vile sinner, and to say otherwise would be pride. What does that say about God and His promises when you say that?
- The old man is still your master because you claim you are still a vile sinner.
- No true Christian remains a vile sinner.
- You have not died to the old man because you still profess to be a vial sinner.
- You cannot possibly be a servant of Jesus if you are still a vile sinner - still a slave to sin.
- You cannot be righteous if you refuse to die to sin, and if you refuse to live in obedience to Christ by faith – you claim you are a vile sinner.
- How can you be one of God's holy children if you are still living an unholy life – still a vile sinner?
Hey he not alone saying this kind of stuff. look:
(i am the worst of them) there it doesn't say: i was the worst.... so?
1 Timothy 1:15 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
15 Here is a true statement that should be accepted without question: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, and I am the worst of them.
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