A warning about False Teaching in the churches!

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What thought process do you take reading for example:
"...there are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they see the kingdom of God having come in power. "
Mk 8:38

Do you skip such verses? Or do you say to yourself "He was mistaken"? Or what?

Did you miss post 457?
In the false teaching or errors you keep trying to support directly contrary to Scripture, it is all the more important to be willing to change back to the truth asap, God willing of course.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Some of them did see it...

Book of Revelation has John seeing it. Jesus did not say how they would be seeing it. And, John did not taste death until after he was given the vision.

(post 457 repeated, since it is important and was apparently missed)

 

[solid_core]

Did you remain blind to post 457? In the false teaching or errors you keep trying to support, do you just all together miss seeing and not hear the truth when it is delivered as it was a few minutes ago ?

Can you answer without being rude?

What thought process do you take reading for example:
"...there are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they see the kingdom of God having come in power. "
Mk 8:38

Do you skip such verses? Or do you say to yourself "He was mistaken"? Or what?

 

[GenemZ]

"they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory…This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:30, 34

"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken…this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. "
Mk 13:24, 25, 30

"For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled… for the powers of heaven shall be shaken… This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. "
Lk 21:22, 26, 32

The term "generation" could also refer to "race." It spoke in reference to the Jewish race. It was Jesus telling Satan that the Jews will survive until the end. Satan has been trying frantically to destroy all Jews before the Lord can return. Its one reason both Hitler was, and Muslims are now driven with an insane hatred for the Jews. For, if all Jews can be wiped out? Satan walks free of the Lake of Fire!

 

[solid_core]

The term "generation" could also refer to "race." It spoke in reference to the Jewish race. It was Jesus telling Satan that the Jews will survive until the end. Satan has been trying frantically to destroy all Jews before the Lord can return. Its one reason both Hitler was, and Muslims are now driven with an insane hatred for the Jews. For, if all Jews can be wiped out? Satan walks free of the Lake of Fire!

If this one verse was isolated, we could speculate about race (Jews are not race, though).

But it was said in many other words, for example:

"…when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels....there are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they see the kingdom of God having come in power. "
Mk 8:38

So the ambiguity of the word "generation" does not help. Jesus clearly meant those individuals when using words like "generation", "standing here" etc.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

@solid_core , It may take some time to go thru all Scripture for your sake alone, if you are willing, as a few help to unravel where the true path was forsaken.
It once seemed to me you were posting good solid truth, but now in the last week or more , it looks like something has caused a significant number of errors in your posts... hopefully not permanently... (and it is only from memory I think you used to post good solid truth - maybe the errors in your posts have been present much longer)...
None-the-less, if you are willing, we will help sort them out. Good night tonight, in prayers and hope in CHrist Jesus.
Don't give up! (on Jesus)
"Little children, keep yourselves free of idols"

 

[GenemZ]

Can you answer without being rude?

What are you playing? Cat and mouse?

You darn well know that your thinking is highly repulsive to those with enough doctrinal sense to see you are wanting your malicious interpretation to be true, when we all know it can not be. You were just shown how some standing before Jesus could see Jesus returning, but in a different way than you had been assuming. They play is on you now. Stop being rude by calling someone rude who is zealous for truth, and not rude. Don't act naive.

 

[Strong in Him]

If there were no Bible? How much would any of us know about God?

Not very much; agreed. But what has that got to do with it?

Isaiah 55:8-9 was written to Jews who did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit. They could not know what a Spirit filled believer having a richness of sound doctrine can not know. We now can know His ways intended for His people.

To some extent.
But God is God, infinite, Holy, pure, eternal, all powerful, all knowing etc etc; we are finite, human, mortal, limited in power and knowledge. How can a finite, mortal human being fully understand an infinite, Holy God? If we could work him out and understand all his thoughts, ways, actions etc, he wouldn't be God. He would have become someone we'd been able to work out; the created would have become greater than the Creator.

On the other hand? We are a new creation in Jesus Christ. We can know the thoughts and ways of God (potentially)...

I'm not denying that Paul said we can have the mind of Christ, nor that Jesus said that the Spirit would reveal the things of God to hos followers, but God is still greater than we will ever be able to understand.
If it was not so, if God was not greater, wiser etc than me, how could I trust him to help me and solve my problems? If I was trying to decide between two things, why pray and ask God about it, if he knew no more than I did? Why ask God for guidance if we already knew all his thoughts and mind?
Why would James have said, "if anyone lacks wisdom, let him ask God who gives to all", James 1:5, if we already possessed as much wisdom as God?

 

[GenemZ]

If this one verse was isolated, we could speculate about race (Jews are not race, though).

All "racial" Jews are. That was the kind of Jew Hitler was hunting down to exterminate. Those who 'convert' to Judaism are not racially Jews.

Jesus was to come through the seed of racial Jews only! It had to be through the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... So, John Vlaccini who converted, is not a racial Jew.

 

[solid_core]

@solid_core ,
t may take some time to go thru all Scripture for your sake alone, if you are willing, as a few help to unravel where the true path was forsaken.
It once seemed to me you were posting good solid truth, but now in the last week or more , it looks like something has caused a significant number of errors in your posts... hopefully not permanently... (and it is only from memory I think you used to post good solid truth - maybe the errors in your posts have been present much longer)...
None-the-less, if you are willing, we will help sort them out. Good night tonight, in prayers and hope in CHrist Jesus.
Don't give up! (on Jesus)
"Little children, keep yourselves free of idols"

What are you playing? Cat and mouse?

You darn well know that your thinking is highly repulsive to those with enough doctrinal sense to see you are wanting your malicious interpretation to be true, when we all know it can not be. You were just shown how some standing before Jesus could see Jesus returning, but in a different way than you had been assuming. They play is on you now. Stop being rude by calling someone rude who is zealous for truth, and not rude. Don't act naive.

I notice that when your explanations of the Bible verses do not work, you are trying to make it personal.

Why not to talk objectively about the topic, without a forced fear of error, evil, malicious interpretations, idols, giving up on Jesus etc?

 

[solid_core]

All "racial" Jews are. That was the kind of Jew Hitler was hunting down to exterminate. Those who 'convert' to Judaism are not racially Jews.

Jesus was to come through the seed of racial Jews only! It had to be through the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... So, John Vlaccini who converted, is not a racial Jew.

By "this generation" Jesus clearly did not mean some racial construct of Hitler, but people living in His era as proved by His other words like "people standing here".

 

[GenemZ]

Not very much; agreed. But what has that got to do with it?

Without the Bible we could not know God. The Word (as we now have it) is all the God we can know.

After the resurrection? We will have a much greater amount of the Word of God revealed in what will be the next revelation of the Word of God. It will not end with us as we now have it. The Word of God lives and abides forever! In eternity the Word of God will be forever expanding. For knowing God will be with our knowledge of God! It says that the Word of God is LIVING. It grows as God wants our knowing Him to grow. What we have right now is just a tip of an iceberg. An iceberg that shall forever be expanding!

To know God? Will always have its basis in the Word of God as our means for us to know God. Either the spoken Word.. or written. In heaven the Word may also be telepathically given.

Therefore, the Word to us shall always be God to us. When OT prophets had the Word of God come to them? It ended up becoming the written Word for us.

 

[GenemZ]

I notice that when your explanations of the Bible verses do not work, you are trying to make it personal.

Why not to talk objectively about the topic, without a forced fear of error, evil, malicious interpretations, idols, giving up on Jesus etc?

Not personal. The explanations I gave do work. Its you that are having the problem.You have been challenged, sir. With truth you are not used to getting back in return. No more mouse to play with for you.

 

[GenemZ]

By "this generation" Jesus clearly did not mean some racial construct of Hitler, but people living in His era as proved by His other words like "people standing here".

I just explained it to you. And, you? You show us that your reading comprehension is poor.

Its nearly 4am where I am. Good night!

 

[solid_core]

I just explained it to you. And, you? You show us that your reading comprehension is poor.

Its nearly 4am where I am. Good night!

And as I said, your explanation does not work, because:
1) the word "generation" never in the Bible means "race"
2) the verse is not isolated and Bible repeats the same saying without this word, for example "people standing here" so its clear that its not about race but about people living in Jesus time, i.e., as all translations rightly translate, about the generation Jesus lived in

I will not return your attack about a poor reading comprehension. I will gladly repeat what I have written when you seem to overlook it.

 

[NBB]

If you were handed a tract while walking down the main hall on a college campus? And, while walking to class, you accepted faith in Jesus Christ?

Having no understanding of Christian doctrine, this person simply went about his business. He did not grow up in a Christian home and never attended any church.

Then, shortly after, this same person began to have intense dreams and visions of his future. In one dream he was shown a place he was to go to. That place happens ten years later, and turns out to be a Bible college. When he was given the dream? That same place was a military school for boys, not a Bible college. And, the list goes on with many other unusual insights... one showing him being a man of God with a gift to teach, but not having been a Christian, was puzzled as to what he was shown.

Would you say that person had received the Holy Spirit?

I don't know, all i know that there is a lot i mean a lot of people who believed, converted, and then after even years they hear about being filled, on tv even, or a pastor told them, and they asked or someone prayed for them, and they received this like in the bible.

 

[NBB]

Hahahaha! If English is your second language, I can understand that. Look up "decomposing" in the English dictionary. Then look up "composing" to do with writing music. Then use your logical thinking to work out what the joke means by either "decomposing" or "de-composing".

A good joke goes down in flames like the German zeppelin Hindenberg when one has to explain it!

lol, ok, i don't know why i didn't get it, i know the word composing but it passed right trough my mind.

 

[NBB]

It is quite true that there is wacky stuff going on in some areas of main-stream Charismatic movement. Dave Hunt has described it admirably in his book:
Occult Invasion: The Subtle Seduction of the World and Church (Dave Hunt Classic) Paperback – Facsimile, December 31, 2010
by Dave Hunt (Author)
After 50 years of having a Pentecostal theology and accepting a lot of the wacky stuff, that book turned my theology on its head and made me see that most if not all the wacky stuff is found nowhere in the New Testament.

All the gifts of the Spirit can be manifested for the encouragement, comfort, edification and exhortation of believers and for evangelism, without all the falling down, jerking, shaking, misuse of public tongues, Old Testament style judgmental prophecies "for the nation", riotous and out of control behaviour we see in some meetings and conferences.

I don't like all that and i have never experienced it, the shaking etc. but people drag down all that with believing in gifts and being filled, that its not ok, also now you say 'i felt the presence of God' is like those are just feelings, dangerous stuff? not walking by faith, immature etc...

 

[GenemZ]

And as I said, your explanation does not work, because:
1) the word "generation" never in the Bible means "race"
2) the verse is not isolated and Bible repeats the same saying without this word, for example "people standing here" so its clear that its not about race but about people living in Jesus time, i.e., as all translations rightly translate, about the generation Jesus lived in

I will not return your attack about a poor reading comprehension. I will gladly repeat what I have written when you seem to overlook it.

Did John see the Lord returning with his angels? Before he died?

 

[GenemZ]

I don't know, all i know that there is a lot i mean a lot of people who believed, converted, and then after even years they hear about being filled, on tv even, or a pastor told them, and they asked or someone prayed for them, and they received this like in the bible.

I have family that are of the Pentecostal/charismatic persuasion.

I have fellowshipped with a good number of Pentecostal/charismatic type believers. I found them very dumb about what the accept to believe and to reject. They have over time witnessed to how they have hurt their lives terribly. They will by inspiration of "the spirit" make stuff up and declare its from God because the "spirit" showed them... Their fruit has no seeds. Hindus that become wealthy by worshiping idols show a similar pattern... even tongues.

Jesus warned that by their fruit I would know them. And, I do. All excuses and apologetics used comes from a type of programmed robot mind that can not accept the corrections that the Bible gives. Yet, they are smug and secure.. "because they know."

I have no reason to waste too much time with what I had spent a great of time with at one point in my walk with God. Its always the same blind thinking. Reasoning capacity has been lost. That is one of the fruit. Show them the Greek about tongues ending and prophesy ceasing? Nothing. Show then how Peter wrote that prophesy would discontinue? They just move onto the next diversion. They do not want to know. For they it appears that they think they have the secret to knowing better than everyone else. And, in many ways they remain Scripturally dumb because of that..

Unable to be corrected. If we are to grow? We all need correction. More important. The ability for accepting correction = humility. But when you have a direct line to God? It never happens.

Its a trap. Right now I am trying to find a way to get away from this thread. I stayed for the few who are wanting to better understand what the problem is. Jesus warned they would be wolves in sheep's clothing. I see the leadership as psychics in sheep's clothing. Very close in the fruit.

Have a nice now.