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General Flynn uncovered a massive Clinton scandal linked to terrorist funding. Fethullah Gulen. President Erdogan just provided proof an American terrorist organization that attempted a failed coup in Turkey. He speaks about it in his joint conference with Trump.


This terrorist organisation operates out of Pennsylvania and has business ties within the ukraine in the construction and energy sectors. They were involved in the coup on Viktor Yanukovych.

2 senior FETÖ figures brought to Turkey after intelligence operations in Azerbaijan, Ukraine

People in the FETÖ' organisation have ties with individuals we are discussing today.

BREAKING: General Flynn Uncovered Massive Clinton Scandal Linked to Terrorist Funding - Was Immediately Targeted by Obama Deep State

There is sooooo much more involved in this entire ordeal than a phone call. There are real reasons people are fighting like mad to remove Trump. And people within his cabinet.

This.... is a coup. Again. Just in America instead of someone else's country. This is right out of the regime change handbook that America has performed so well all over the world.

This is ridiculous. Erdogan has been after Gulen for years (Gulen is one of his biggest critics) and has been trying to get the US to extradite him. The US has always refused because handing authoritarian leaders their critics is not a very good look for anyone.

Flynn and his son are accused of having negotiated a deal with Turkey to rendition Gulen back to Turkey for $15m personally paid to them. Now tell me please, does that sound like some great act of patriotism to you?

Except now many months later we suddenly hear that oh no Gulen was a terrorist and the Clintons were involved! (give me a break..).

This is just complete nonsense conspiracy theory stuff and has no place in a serious discussion about Flynn and his crimes.
 
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General Flynn uncovered a massive Clinton scandal linked to terrorist funding. Fethullah Gulen.

I'm sorry, no, just no. It appears, from what I can see, most of this is a conspiracy theory that ties together a few actual facts with a lot of propaganda from Turkey, and the source is a blog post on a far right wing site.

In fact, rather than some conspiracy that is about to be uncovered, Flynn's deputies that were pushing this conspiracy have been indicted by Trump's DoJ, with a couple of Trump appointed federal assistant AGs announcing the arrest. From the announcement of the charges, "According to allegations in the indictment, the two men were involved in a conspiracy to covertly influence U.S. politicians and public opinion against a Turkish citizen living in the United States whose extradition had been requested by the Government of Turkey."

President Erdogan just provided proof an American terrorist organization that attempted a failed coup in Turkey. He speaks about it in his joint conference with Trump.


Except for the issue that the evidence, from what I can find, is mostly where Fethullah Gülen was critical of Erdrogan -- not any actual evidence he was part of any attempted coup. It is further worth pointing out that the Daily Sabah is essentially Erdrogan's mouthpiece, and is not a source for reliable information.

This terrorist organisation operates out of Pennsylvania and has business ties within the ukraine in the construction and energy sectors.

Except for the lack of evidence that it is a terrorist organization.

They were involved in the coup on Viktor Yanukovych.

2 senior FETÖ figures brought to Turkey after intelligence operations in Azerbaijan, Ukraine

People in the FETÖ' organisation have ties with individuals we are discussing today.

BREAKING: General Flynn Uncovered Massive Clinton Scandal Linked to Terrorist Funding - Was Immediately Targeted by Obama Deep State

There is sooooo much more involved in this entire ordeal than a phone call. There are real reasons people are fighting like mad to remove Trump. And people within his cabinet.

And none of this is even worth discussing -- since the first part of your post is, from the actual facts in evidence, false.

This.... is a coup. Again. Just in America instead of someone else's country. This is right out of the regime change handbook that America has performed so well all over the world.

No, it is not a coup. As people keep saying, Trump, while he may be impeached, is unlikely to be removed from office. Even if he is removed from office, that means that nearly half, at a minimum, of Republican Senators will find Trump guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors." It further will merely mean that Pence takes over as President, not any type of actual coup.
 
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Speaking of abdication of personal responsibility, which side is arguing that Donald can't be prosecuted because of his job title?
They're in cahoots. The dems have dumbed us down and the reps are taking advantage of that. And if a page from the opposer's play book will serve your purpose, why not?
 
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We'd know more if Donald got his DoJ to investigate these alleged crimes.

Instead, he paid for some political ads against an election opponent. The same one he wanted to trade a weapons deal to a foreign government for in exchange for a press conference against the same guy.

Seems like even Donald isn't acting as if he believes Biden did anything illegal.
Whether Biden did anything illegal is irrelevant to Trump. These days Trump only has to make it appear Biden is. And as usual T tried to use the path of least resistance - and wound up on the path of most resistance.
 
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He can defend himself i
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, by telling the truth. Not threatening someone on twitter. To try to intimidate witness.
Meh, we all have the right to defend ourselves any way we see fit.

When the judge, jury and prosecutor are stacked against you, one uses the bully pulpit. Pelosi and Schiff have attempted eight ways from Sunday to box the president in. He's not playing their game. He's not playing by their rules. Why should he?
 
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Meh, we all have the right to defend ourselves any way we see fit.

When the judge, jury and prosecutor are stacked against you, one uses the bully pulpit. Pelosi and Schiff have attempted eight ways from Sunday to box the president in. He's not playing their game. He's not playing by their rules. Why should he?
I'm not sure where anyone would get the impression that Chief Justice Roberts (the judge) and the Senate (the jury) are stacked against Trump. Schiff (the prosecutor), sure, but that's kind of the prosecutor's job.
 
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I'm not sure where anyone would get the impression that Chief Justice Roberts (the judge) and the Senate (the jury) are stacked against Trump.
At the moment the trial is only in the House, not the Senate.

The trial at the moment is totally stacked against the president. I understand that Schiff and the Democrats would like the president to remain silent ... but why should he? :scratch:
Schiff (the prosecutor), sure, but that's kind of the prosecutor's job.
Incorrect.

The prosecutor's job is to make the case ... not to railroad anybody.
 
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At the moment the trial is only in the House, not the Senate.

The trial at the moment is totally stacked against the president. I understand that Schiff and the Democrats would like the president to remain silent ... but why should he? :scratch:
What is currently in progress is not, in any way, shape or form, a trial. Calling it one doesn't change that.

Incorrect.

The prosecutor's job is to make the case.
Which Schiff is doing.
 
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They're in cahoots. The dems have dumbed us down and the reps are taking advantage of that. And if a page from the opposer's play book will serve your purpose, why not?
Backs away slowly, noting that we do have a separate conspiracy theory forum for a reason.
 
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Meh, we all have the right to defend ourselves any way we see fit.

When the judge, jury and prosecutor are stacked against you, one uses the bully pulpit.
I haven't seen any proof of this.
Pelosi and Schiff have attempted eight ways from Sunday to box the president in.
Trump keeps getting himself into trouble. They cant just sit there, not do their jobs.
He's not playing their game.
He's the on playing games.
He's not playing by their rules.
When you break laws , of course you don't abide by the laws.
Why should he?
Because that's what grown up do. And he's not defending him self on twitter. He's harassing, the people testifying against him.
 
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Yes, If he's innocent, He can defend himself in court , by telling the truth. Not threatening someone on twitter. To try to intimidate witness.

Trump threatened her on Twitter? Do tell us what threat he made!
(This should be interesting!)
 
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The prosecutor's job is to make the case ... not to railroad anybody.

....railroading? Oh the drama...oddly, I witnessed the GOP committee members whine more about their democratic fellow committee members than do any effective questioning of the witnesses.
 
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....railroading? Oh the drama...oddly, I witnessed the GOP committee members whine more about their democratic fellow committee members than do any effective questioning of the witnesses.
Did you happen to notice that the GOP was repeatedly prevented from questioning by Adam Schiff?
 
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Awesome for what? For those who love tyranny? What's so awesome about not allowing questions in a hearing that's billed to be as open and transparent?
Just seeing Jim Jordan get so worked up was the highlight of the day for me. And it’s not tyranny. The Chairman is in charge of the hearings and everyone there is well aware of that but it plays well with their base to act like victims.
 
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Just seeing Jim Jordan get so worked up was the highlight of the day for me. And it’s not tyranny. The Chairman is in charge of the hearings and everyone there is well aware of that but it plays well with their base to act like victims.

Sounds familiar......

Schiff: "now the President — in realtime — is attacking you. What effect do you think that has on other witnesses willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing?"

Yovanovitch: "It's very intimidating."

Schiff: "It's designed to intimidate, is it not?"

And here's CNN with a nice little picture to make Yovanovitch look like a "victim": Schiff just accused President Trump of witness intimidation after his real-time tweets

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