Actually, more of an Ape and Ape inquiry.
In another thread, a creationist asked:
"Do we even have the actual remains of a last supposed common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees"
This was intended to be a game-winner, I am sure, but it just made me think -
Do CREATIONISTS have the remains of the supposed last common ancestor of the Ape-Kind and modern apes?
According to the creationist version of reality, this supposed Intra-Kind split would have taken place fewer than 4500 years ago. If the creationist version of reality had any merit, it should be EASY for, say, the owners of Hobby Lobby to have paid for the remains of at least a fake original Ape-Kind by now, seeing as how they shelled out millions for fake Dead Sea scrolls in their zeal to prop up bible lore in their bible museum.
In fact, if the bible stories of the flood had merit, we should see ALL SORTS of ancestral remains for all extant Kinds littering the landscape of the middle east, at least.
Ape-Kind ancestor, Giraffe-Kind ancestor, Elephant-Kind ancestor, Bat-Kind ancestor, etc. - and remains of at least some of the incipient modern offspring of these Kinds, as well.
Where are THEY?
By all scientific, reality-based estimates, the population of the LCA of chimps and humans would have lived somewhere between ~7 and ~4 million years ago. Creationists expect us to have, right now, in our possession, the "remains" (as if there was just one of them...) of this ancestor - that would have had to survive millions of years of geological and biological processes and to have then been found, whereas creationists do not even pretend to know about the existence of the Kind-ancestors of modern creatures!
We DO, however, have fossils of more chimp-like creatures and more human-like creatures from appropriate times, and of course, we have DNA data.
What do creationists have, in terms of evidence for post-flood intra-Kind speciation, besides incredulity and doctrine?
In another thread, a creationist asked:
"Do we even have the actual remains of a last supposed common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees"
This was intended to be a game-winner, I am sure, but it just made me think -
Do CREATIONISTS have the remains of the supposed last common ancestor of the Ape-Kind and modern apes?
According to the creationist version of reality, this supposed Intra-Kind split would have taken place fewer than 4500 years ago. If the creationist version of reality had any merit, it should be EASY for, say, the owners of Hobby Lobby to have paid for the remains of at least a fake original Ape-Kind by now, seeing as how they shelled out millions for fake Dead Sea scrolls in their zeal to prop up bible lore in their bible museum.
In fact, if the bible stories of the flood had merit, we should see ALL SORTS of ancestral remains for all extant Kinds littering the landscape of the middle east, at least.
Ape-Kind ancestor, Giraffe-Kind ancestor, Elephant-Kind ancestor, Bat-Kind ancestor, etc. - and remains of at least some of the incipient modern offspring of these Kinds, as well.
Where are THEY?
By all scientific, reality-based estimates, the population of the LCA of chimps and humans would have lived somewhere between ~7 and ~4 million years ago. Creationists expect us to have, right now, in our possession, the "remains" (as if there was just one of them...) of this ancestor - that would have had to survive millions of years of geological and biological processes and to have then been found, whereas creationists do not even pretend to know about the existence of the Kind-ancestors of modern creatures!
We DO, however, have fossils of more chimp-like creatures and more human-like creatures from appropriate times, and of course, we have DNA data.
What do creationists have, in terms of evidence for post-flood intra-Kind speciation, besides incredulity and doctrine?