A warning about False Teaching in the churches!

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It makes sense if you take away the idea that your works are required for salvation.

Not to become saved, no; but we must obey to remain saved; otherwise we don't love Christ and we MUST love Him with all our hearts. He said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

That includes fornication, the most popular sin among the perishing. "I never knew you, you workers of wickedness."

Hebrews 12:14
Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord
 
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Not to become saved, no; but we must obey to remain saved; otherwise we don't love Christ and we MUST love Him with all our hearts. He said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

That includes fornication, the most popular sin among the perishing. "I never knew you, you workers of wickedness."

Hebrews 12:14
Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord

You defeated your own point. If not obeying means that someone does not love Christ, they were never saved in the first place. You can't lose something that you never had; see my point?

Once you are saved, you will naturally do better. You'll never stop sinning completely, though--entire sanctification isn't possible since if it was, again, we wouldn't need to be saved then. The fine line between believer vs unbeliever, is that the believer repents and is always trying their hardest to walk with the Lord. Unbelievers don't care about what they do, and think they're saved no matter what.

Remember, God hates all sin. Sure we all think of the big sins like fornication, for example; but not one of us is truly righteous. All of us have sin, and if we say we are without sin, we make ourselves to be liars.
 
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All of us have sin, and if we say we are without sin, we make ourselves to be liars.

It doesn't seem that you know that 1 John 1:8 which you are basing your belief is regarding the unsaved, not those who have repented and been cleansed of all sin like the next verse promises. If you are cleansed of all sin, you are no longer a sinner, but a child of God. John 8:34-36 It is then that 1 John 3:9 is true, which would be a contradiction of 1 John 1:8 if that verse was regarding a Christian. There is a difference in when a verse is written TO the Church, but ABOUT those who are unsaved.
 
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We all know that the visible church is not perfect.
God is doing a work to perfect us. Jesus is going to return for a Bride that has no spot, blemish or wrinkle. "And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns." (Philip1:6)
 
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Proverbs 6:16-19-

These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
#7 And one who sows discord among brethren.

Psalms 101:5-

Whoever secretly slanders his neighbor,
Him I will destroy;
The one who has a haughty look and a proud heart,
Him I will not endure.


Proverbs 21:4-

A haughty look, a proud heart,
And the plowing of the wicked are sin.


(James 4:6) (1 Peter 5:5)-

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”


(Matthew 23:12) (Luke 14:11) (Luke 18:14)-

“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

God Bless!
 
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Proverbs 6:16-19-

These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
#7 And one who sows discord among brethren.

Psalms 101:5-

Whoever secretly slanders his neighbor,
Him I will destroy;
The one who has a haughty look and a proud heart,
Him I will not endure.


Proverbs 21:4-

A haughty look, a proud heart,
And the plowing of the wicked are sin.


(James 4:6) (1 Peter 5:5)-

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”


(Matthew 23:12) (Luke 14:11) (Luke 18:14)-

“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

God Bless!
Then also shall we get into all the scriptures that talk about those that seek to justified by the law or their own works, and how it says they are apostate and anti-Christ, etc...?

They have deviated and fallen away from the truth, etc, etc, etc...

That it is all vanity and filthy rags in God eyes an sight, etc...

Shall we get into or quote all of those...?

God Bless!
 
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God is doing a work to perfect us. Jesus is going to return for a Bride that has no spot, blemish or wrinkle. "And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns." (Philip1:6)

Some believe God "continuing" the work is about sin, but that was already cleansed. 1 John 1:9. The actual work is regarding the perfecting of the divine nature, not sin. (Not that you are saying that, but many do)

2 Peter 1:
giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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It doesn't seem that you know that 1 John 1:8 which you are basing your belief is regarding the unsaved, not those who have repented and been cleansed of all sin like the next verse promises. If you are cleansed of all sin, you are no longer a sinner, but a child of God. John 8:34-36 It is then that 1 John 3:9 is true.

You said

Not to become saved, no; but we must obey to remain saved; otherwise we don't love Christ and we MUST love Him with all our hearts. He said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

If not obeying = not loving the Lord, they were never a Christian, to begin with. After all, what did Jesus say was the first, most important commandment?

Matthew 22:37 " Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' "

If each time we didn't obey the law meant that we did not love Jesus, we'd never be saved.

Sinning is going against God's will--not obeying the law. All of us break the law. If it were possible in the flesh to not break the law and achieve perfection, then Jesus died without need. Being cleansed of sin doesn't mean you'll never sin again(after all, was it not Paul himself that said the famous verse "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do."). What it means is that as a believer, you'll have an advocate when judgment comes.

1 John 2:1, NIV: "My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One."


So no, as a believer--you cannot lose your salvation. It would make no sense if you could.
 
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the famous verse "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.").

Again, quoting a verse that is NOT about a Christian. That's two in a row! That is concerning. Do you only relate to verses about the unsaved. What you are doing is what this OP is all about. False teachings. Do you relate to this verse:

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

That verse IS about a Christian.

Good night.
 
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Again, quoting a verse that is NOT about a Christian. That's two in a row! That is concerning. Do you only relate to verses about the unsaved. What you are doing is what this OP is all about. False teachings. Do you relate to this verse:

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

That verse IS about a Christian.

Are you insinuating that Paul, one of Jesus' 12 disciples, was not saved nor Christian? The quote I referenced took place after he'd been converted.

As for the verse you chose, it is referring to habitual sin. Practicing sin/habitual is to willingly sin without repentance, and to do so often. If you take it in the literal sense, that no believer(a human who is OF THE FLESH)can sin, you are effectively rendering God's grace as useless and unneeded. 'He cannot sin' not because he literally isn't sinning, but because the price has been paid for our transgressions against God by Christ's bloodshed. Jesus Christ did not die only for sins of the past--if that were true, then NOBODY after his death on the cross, theoretically, would be saved either. Since it does not cover future sins.

Do you find it hard to keep to say such a thing?

Are you also telling me that you do not sin? Are you as righteous and perfect as Jesus Christ himself?


What is concerning to ME, is that you and OP seem to be saying that you're both able to pass judgment onto others in God's place by saying who will and won't be saved, when you are just as pitiful and in need of repentance as any other sinner. If anyone here is a false teacher, it is those who try to speak on the behalf of God and place themselves above others. Do we not follow the same bible? Or is God's grace only abundant for those who are already perfect in sanctification?

I've said it a million times, and I'll say it again; you cannot lose salvation. If you are willingly sinning without repentance and do not love the Lord, you are not a Christian. If you love the Lord, you will be in a spiritual battle against sin until the day of your departure--but you will be saved as a reward for your loyalty. If you feel as though you are sinless, I fear more for you on judgment day.

Pride is a very, very grave sin.
 
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“You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there
will be very difficult times … These teachers oppose the truth …
They have depraved minds and a counterfeit faith.” (2 Timothy 3:1, 8)


“For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and
wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look
for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.
They will reject the truth and chase after myths.” (2 Timothy 4:3-4)


“… some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches,
saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives” (Jude 4)


Today, one of the dangerous false teachings is antinomianism:
grace-only, cheap-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc.

This is the notion that a one-time justification saves, apart from sanctification.
But, this is an incomplete understanding of God’s wonderful free gift of grace.
The problem with easy-believism is that it allows those who are NOT walking in
obedience to live comfortably with a false sense of assurance, which leads to
the tragedy described in Matthew 7:21-23 (for example). It encourages people
who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin to have a false assurance!

Reasons for false teaching in the churches

Satan
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11)
“the god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4)
“deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“there is no truth in him ... he is a liar and the father of it” (John 8:44)
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19)
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8)


Deceived, ignorant pastors
Some pastors have innocently been deceived by Satan,
through their family and friends, through their denominations,
through famous church leaders, Bible commentaries, books, videos, etc.
Some pastors are genuinely ignorant of what the Bible actually teaches.
And, of course, the responsibility for this is on them.

Worldly, greedy pastors
Some pastors have just chosen to “backslide”, “fall away”, etc. …
being more interested in the things of the world than the things of God.
Preaching popular messages keeps the people coming back to church,
and keeps their tithes coming in also. Many churches these days have
large mortgages and large staffs, all of which which need to be funded.
This is why home groups are a much better way for believers to fellowship.
There is no financial pressure to keep the money coming in, and they
are freer to follow the Spirit instead of any particular denomination.

The 2 most critical False Doctrines in today’s churches

Once saved, always saved
There are many NT verses that threaten the loss of salvation!

The pre-tribulation rapture
You aren’t going anywhere … except through economic collapse,
famine, persecution, and the great tribulation of the antichrist.
So, get ready … spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and physically!

True believers will be led by the precious Holy Spirit. And they
will follow Him, and the Scriptures … not people, pastors, churches!

I think you will bear more fruit for Christ going out with the gospel to unbelievers.

Christ love,
P
 
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God is the one who is warning believers today -- through His prophets.
I'm just passing the warning along.

Another false teaching, or something that may easily let false teaching in, is the "I am passing on a message/warning from God to you", teaching.
First of all it implies special status/revelation on the part of the messenger - almost making them untouchable. I.O.W, "don't blame/argue with me, this is what God says".
Secondly, the "message" is sometimes the messenger's own beliefs, illustrated with a few selected verses of Scripture.

In my experience, anyone with a gift of prophecy, or who has a word from the Lord, says, "this is what I believe the Lord is saying; I may be wrong, please pray about this, or, if it affects the church put it to the leadership team, and ask for discernment/confirmation."

The "this IS from God and you need to listen to what I am saying", approach is how we get false teachers in the first place - e.g cult leaders.
 
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I agree with @Strong in Him

After all, Satan does often come dressed as an angel of light...so we have to practice discernment and come to peace with the fact that none of us will truly know who is right/wrong until judgment comes.

That's why we put our faith in Jesus Christ alone to deliver us; not other people.
 
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Are you insinuating that Paul, one of Jesus' 12 disciples, was not saved nor Christian? The quote I referenced took place after he'd been converted.
Dead right. Any other view of it comes from a faulty exegesis of the passage, and a faulty theology concerning the conflict between the flesh and the Spirit in a person because of the new heart and spirit in a sinful mortal body.

Before Paul was converted he had no such conflict, because he did not have the Holy Spirit in him. He was completely in the flesh, so there could not have been a conflict. He said himself that he considered himself blameless according to the Law. So, if a person considers himself blameless, how can he have a conflict between what he wants in his heart with the Law? His heart was evil, and so, being entirely in the flesh and his spirit was dead, there couldn't have been any conflict at all. He believed he was totally righteous according to the Law, and totally correct in his quest to imprison and murder Christians.

It was only after his conversion to Christ that he saw himself as the chief of sinners. It was only after he was transformed by the Holy Spirit, with a new heart and an enlivened spirit, that he had the conflict between his renewed spirit, indwelt by the Holy Spirit and his sinful mortal body which had urges and desires that were contrary to the new Law of the spirit of life in Christ.

I think the faulty theology comes from the theology of the Holiness movements, where Pentecostalism grew out from, which has at its root entire sanctification by faith. In this theology, followers believe they are totally holy and have total victory over sin by faith. The problem with this theology is that every time they fall into temptation, they have to get sanctified by faith all over again. This means that they are always sinning, repenting, sinning, repenting, and so on, and never really achieve stability in their spiritual walk, often losing their assurance of salvation every time they get angry and kick the cat!

I should know. I cut my teeth in the Christian faith under that Holiness theology and it took over 40 years to be deprogrammed from it, and come to the place where I know that my salvation is ensured through my faith alone in Christ and not through any achievement in holy good deeds. And that the Holy Spirit is working within me to develop better sanctification which will become perfect when I meet the Lord face to face!
 
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Another false teaching, or something that may easily let false teaching in, is the "I am passing on a message/warning from God to you", teaching.
First of all it implies special status/revelation on the part of the messenger - almost making them untouchable. I.O.W, "don't blame/argue with me, this is what God says".
Secondly, the "message" is sometimes the messenger's own beliefs, illustrated with a few selected verses of Scripture.

In my experience, anyone with a gift of prophecy, or who has a word from the Lord, says, "this is what I believe the Lord is saying; I may be wrong, please pray about this, or, if it affects the church put it to the leadership team, and ask for discernment/confirmation."

The "this IS from God and you need to listen to what I am saying", approach is how we get false teachers in the first place - e.g cult leaders.
Yep. God speaks only through His written Word which is made alive to us through the agency of the Holy Spirit. There are no prophets today who speak directly from God. This is why all current prophecy has to be judged according to what has already been set out in the written Scriptures. If it hasn't been said somewhere in the Bible already, then it is false.

And my Bible says that no one is justified through good works, and that anyone who bases their justification on good works, has to live by those works perfectly, and one small infraction of God's moral law brings a curse, leading to hell. But those who hold to Christ through faith alone in Him, are totally justified and have eternal life right now, and that eternal life will never be taken away through imperfection in keeping God's moral law, because it has all been paid for by Christ when He died on the cross.

Because that is what my Bible tells me, anyone who says he is a prophet and says something different is totally false and should not be listened to.
 
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Dead right. Any other view of it comes from a faulty exegesis of the passage, and a faulty theology concerning the conflict between the flesh and the Spirit in a person because of the new heart and spirit in a sinful mortal body.

Before Paul was converted he had no such conflict, because he did not have the Holy Spirit in him. He was completely in the flesh, so there could not have been a conflict. He said himself that he considered himself blameless according to the Law. So, if a person considers himself blameless, how can he have a conflict between what he wants in his heart with the Law? His heart was evil, and so, being entirely in the flesh and his spirit was dead, there couldn't have been any conflict at all. He believed he was totally righteous according to the Law, and totally correct in his quest to imprison and murder Christians.

It was only after his conversion to Christ that he saw himself as the chief of sinners. It was only after he was transformed by the Holy Spirit, with a new heart and an enlivened spirit, that he had the conflict between his renewed spirit, indwelt by the Holy Spirit and his sinful mortal body which had urges and desires that were contrary to the new Law of the spirit of life in Christ.

I think the faulty theology comes from the theology of the Holiness movements, where Pentecostalism grew out from, which has at its root entire sanctification by faith. In this theology, followers believe they are totally holy and have total victory over sin by faith. The problem with this theology is that every time they fall into temptation, they have to get sanctified by faith all over again. This means that they are always sinning, repenting, sinning, repenting, and so on, and never really achieve stability in their spiritual walk, often losing their assurance of salvation every time they get angry and kick the cat!

I should know. I cut my teeth in the Christian faith under that Holiness theology and it took over 40 years to be deprogrammed from it, and come to the place where I know that my salvation is ensured through my faith alone in Christ and not through any achievement in holy good deeds. And that the Holy Spirit is working within me to develop better sanctification which will become perfect when I meet the Lord face to face!


AMEN. I've always said that everything about Christianity is one big balancing act--you don't want to go to either extreme. No hyper-grace, but no works-based salvation or 'holiness movement' as Oscarr put it, either.

If you're struggling, you're on the right track. Life as a Christian is constant growth & correction, and as long as you never give up on Christ, He will never give up on you.
 
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“You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there
will be very difficult times … These teachers oppose the truth …
They have depraved minds and a counterfeit faith.” (2 Timothy 3:1, 8)


“For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and
wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look
for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.
They will reject the truth and chase after myths.” (2 Timothy 4:3-4)


“… some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches,
saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives” (Jude 4)


Today, one of the dangerous false teachings is antinomianism:
grace-only, cheap-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc.

This is the notion that a one-time justification saves, apart from sanctification.
But, this is an incomplete understanding of God’s wonderful free gift of grace.
The problem with easy-believism is that it allows those who are NOT walking in
obedience to live comfortably with a false sense of assurance, which leads to
the tragedy described in Matthew 7:21-23 (for example). It encourages people
who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin to have a false assurance!

Reasons for false teaching in the churches

Satan
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11)
“the god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4)
“deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“there is no truth in him ... he is a liar and the father of it” (John 8:44)
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19)
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8)


Deceived, ignorant pastors
Some pastors have innocently been deceived by Satan,
through their family and friends, through their denominations,
through famous church leaders, Bible commentaries, books, videos, etc.
Some pastors are genuinely ignorant of what the Bible actually teaches.
And, of course, the responsibility for this is on them.

Worldly, greedy pastors
Some pastors have just chosen to “backslide”, “fall away”, etc. …
being more interested in the things of the world than the things of God.
Preaching popular messages keeps the people coming back to church,
and keeps their tithes coming in also. Many churches these days have
large mortgages and large staffs, all of which which need to be funded.
This is why home groups are a much better way for believers to fellowship.
There is no financial pressure to keep the money coming in, and they
are freer to follow the Spirit instead of any particular denomination.

The 2 most critical False Doctrines in today’s churches

Once saved, always saved
There are many NT verses that threaten the loss of salvation!

The pre-tribulation rapture
You aren’t going anywhere … except through economic collapse,
famine, persecution, and the great tribulation of the antichrist.
So, get ready … spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and physically!

True believers will be led by the precious Holy Spirit. And they
will follow Him, and the Scriptures … not people, pastors, churches!
I think anything beyond what the historic church believed is suspect of false teaching. Many claim they have new found truth. Especially since the 1800s. So I stick with the historic Church as far as the Ecumenical creeds. And side with the Reformed Creeds since that time.
 
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