2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

[LittleLambofJesus]

mkgal1 said: ↑
Look at one key phrase in 2 Thessalonians:
"God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted" v. 7

Used in only 5 verses, 1 verse in Acts, 4 in Paul's Epistles........

425. anesis an'-es-is from 447; relaxation or (figuratively) relief:--eased, liberty, rest.
G425 ἄνεσις (anesis), occurs 5 times in 5 verses

Acts 24:23 So he commanded the centurion to keep Paul and to let him have rest/ease, and told him not to forbid any of his friends to provide for or visit him.
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There are a few other Greek words used for "rest" in the NT. Here are a few

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Root word:
3973. pauo a primary verb ("pause"); to stop (transitively or intransitively), i.e. restrain, quit, desist, come to an end:--cease, leave, refrain.
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372. anapausis from 373; intermission; by implication, recreation:--rest. [Used 5 times in NC/NT]

373. anapano from 303 and 3973; (reflexively) to repose (literally or figuratively (be exempt), remain); by implication, to refresh:--take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest.

2663. katapausis from 2664; reposing down, i.e. (by Hebraism) abode:--rest.
Used only in Acts and Hebrews chapters 3 and 4.........

Acts 7:49
‘Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the LORD, Or what is the place of My rest<2663>?

Hebrews 4:3 For we are entering into the rest<2663>, the ones-believing. According to as He declared, 'As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the Rest<2663> of Me' and-those the works from down-casting of world being become. [Psalm 95:11]

Heb 3:11
So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
Heb 3:18
And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?

Hebrews 4:
1We may fear, then, lest a promise being left of entering into His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short, 2for we also are having good news proclaimed, even as they, but the word heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard,

3for we do enter into the rest — we who did believe, as He said, ‘So I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest — ;’ and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world,

4for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh [day] thus: ‘And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;’ 5and in this [place] again, ‘If they shall enter into My rest — ;’ 6since then, it remaineth for certain to enter into it, and those who did first hear good news entered not in because of unbelief —

7again He doth limit a certain day, ‘To-day,’ (in David saying, after so long a time,) as it hath been said, ‘To-day, if His voice ye may hear, ye may not harden your hearts,’

8for if Joshua had given them rest, He would not concerning another day have spoken after these things; 9there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God, 10for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own. 11May we be diligent, then, to enter into that rest, that no one in the same example of the unbelief may fall,

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Matthew 11:29 "Take! My yoke upon ye, and be learning from Me. That meek am-I and humble to the heart, and ye shall be finding rest<372> to the souls of ye"
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Revelation verses.....

Revelation 4:8 And the four living-ones, one according to one to-them, having above wings, six compassing. And within they are being replete of eyes, and rest<372> not they are having day and night saying:
"Holy Holy Holy Lord the GOD, the Almighty, the One-was, and the One-being, and the One-coming' [Isaiah 6:3/Matt 11:29/Reve 4:8, 14:11]

Revelation 6:11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest<373> still little time<5550>,
until should be fulfilling<4137> also their fellow servants and their brethren, those being about to be being killed<615> also they

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.
And not they are having rest<372> day and night [Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]

Revelation 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me,[fn] “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest<373> from their labors, and their works follow them.”

 

[Ed Parenteau]

I’m saying “until” happened.

Did Jesus fulfill the law?



JLB

He didn't fulfill all seven feast days including Pentecost at the cross, did he? If "until" happened then heaven and earth passed away.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

JLB777 said: ↑
I’m saying “until” happened.
Did Jesus fulfill the law?

He didn't fulfill all seven feast days including Pentecost at the cross, did he? If "until" happened then heaven and earth passed away.

Fortunately, us Gentiles don't have to worry about that.......

Good discussion thread on it:

Are the feast days fulfilled?

Jesus said concerning Passover do this in remembrance of me
The days come when nations will observe tabernacles
Are there other feast that will continue to be observed?

coraline said: ↑
" Observed" is the wrong word for the Christian in the New Jerusalem. We are not under the law of Moses.
Rev21:
The Glory of the New Jerusalem

22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes[o] an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

dfw69 said: ↑
Yes I agree we are not under the law... But to me the feast are holy days or ceremonial days... Like a festival ... A celebration... I don't see why we can't celebrate the wonderfulness of god in the feast

"We?" You mean "you" can." Feel free. It's only against the law when you hack a bull inhumanely for "the sins of the people."

I celebrate the "wonderfulness" of Jesus on Christmas & Easter

 

[mkgal1]

Fortunately, us Gentiles don't have to worry about that.......

Worry? No, but it does have significance to the different ages (the Mosaic Age vs the Messianic/New Covenant Age). The NT authors were writing in the transition period:

Deu 31:29 KJV For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.​

Prior to Moses’ death and having faithfully fulfilled God’s plan and purpose through the establishment of the Old Covenant Law and the Offerings, he prophesied the children of Israel would be judged for their apostasy in the ‘latter days’ of the Old Covenant Age.

Dan 9:2 KJV In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.​

Dan 9:13 KJV As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.​

Daniel interceded on behalf of his people, he was not seeking God regarding the end of the world. His desire was to understand the prophetic timeline of Jeremiah and Moses concerning Old Covenant Israel.

 

[mkgal1]

Another key passage (IMO) that points to this transition period:

Hebrews 9:8 ~ The Holy Spirit was making it clear that the way into the holy of holies had not yet been disclosed while the first tabernacle was still standing​

 

[JLB777]

He didn't fulfill all seven feast days including Pentecost at the cross, did he? If "until" happened then heaven and earth passed away.

So your saying Jesus failed to fulfill the law?

He said He did.

• Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18



Jesus said He came to fulfill the law.


I believe Him.




JLB

 

[mkgal1]

So your saying Jesus failed to fulfill the law?

He said He did.

No, that's not what was said. It was a question asked of you as to when He fulfilled the 7 feasts including Feast of Pentecost. You've been asserting He was "done" at the cross..That's not when Pentecost was.

 

[mkgal1]

When was this fulfilled by Christ?

1 Kings 8:10 - And when the priest came out of the Holy Place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

When was this fulfilled by Christ?

1 Kings 8:10 - And when the priest came out of the Holy Place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD?​

Hello mkgal. Revelation 15:8 comes to mind.

Something similar is happening in Revelation concerning Messengers/Priests coming out of the Sanctuary.

Have you, and/or others, ever looked at those Messengers coming out of the Sanctuary in Revelation as types of Priests?

I have to use YLT since he uses the correct word "sanctuary"...................

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Court of Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months. [Luke 21:24]

That version is available at this lexicon/concordance site

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

YLT
Rev 11:1
And there was given to me a reed like to a rod, [*and the messenger stood*], saying, 'Rise, and measure the sanctuary of God, and the altar, and those worshiping in it;

Rev 14:15
and another messenger did come forth out of the sanctuary crying in a great voice to him who is sitting upon the cloud, 'Send forth thy sickle and reap, because come to thee hath the hour of reaping, because ripe hath been the harvest of the earth;'

Rev 14:17
And another messenger did come forth out of the sanctuary that is in the heaven, having -- he also -- a sharp sickle,

Rev 15:6
and come forth did the seven messengers having the seven plagues, out of the sanctuary, clothed in linen, pure and shining, and girded round the breasts with golden girdles:
Rev 15:8

and filled was the sanctuary with smoke from the glory of God, and from His power, and no one was able to enter into the sanctuary till the seven plagues of the seven messengers may be finished.

Rev 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the sanctuary saying to the seven messengers, 'Go away, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God to the earth;'

Rev 16:17

And the seventh messenger did pour out his vial to the air,
and there came forth a great Voice from the sanctuary of the heaven, from the throne, saying, 'It hath come!'
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I actually have a study on those 7 Messengers and Trumpets in relation to the siege of Jericho by Joshua[same word used for Jesus]

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

Joshua 6 [7 Priests-7 trumpets-shofars] and Revelation [7 Messengers-7 trumpets]

Joshua 6
4 And seven Priests carry seven trumpets of rams' horns in front of the Ark.
Then on the seventh day, march around the City seven times, while the Priests blow the trumpets.
13 Then seven Priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the Ark of the LORD went on continually and blew with the trumpets.
And the armed men went before Them.
But the rear guard came after the Ark of the LORD, while the Priests continued blowing the trumpets.

Revelation 8:
2 And I saw the seven Messengers which stood before God,
and to Them were given seven trumpets.
6 And the seven Messengers having the seven trumpets make ready Themselves that They should be trumpeting<4537>.

Revelation 8 Commentary- Plagued by Trumpets
The Roman Assault on Israel Began around the Feast of Trumpets Hence the Seven Trumpets of Revelation—Thus Began the Jewish War.

In A.D. 66 while Judea was aflame in bloodshed, riot and revolt, Rome responded by sending the 12th legion in addition to thousands of auxiliaries from neighboring kingdoms. These troops, as if orchestrated by God, arrived in Jerusalem in the Jewish month of Tishri, a month that begins with the Feast of Trumpets.
Called the Day of Judgment, it is on this day that trumpets sound the somber days of atonement and final judgment (Leviticus 23:24, Numbers 29:1).
Thus began the Jewish War.3
The A.D. 70 Doctrine View, Interpretation, Exposition and Commentary of Revelation 8: In Every Event that Fulfills the Seven Trumpets of Revelation an Audible Trumpet Sound Was Heard.
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Jewish Roots: The Sound Of The Trumpet
For if the Trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle?
(1 Corinthians 14:8).

The Apostle Paul used the Roman military trumpet as a metaphor for spiritual battle. First-century historian Josephus wrote that the Roman army did nothing, except by trumpet signals. He listed three specific trumpet sounds, all of which can be devotionally applied.

The first trumpet was a signal to prepare to depart. "Now when they are to go out of their camp, the trumpet gives a sound."(1) The Bible believer should be ready to depart swiftly for any field of conflict as ordered, always ready to fight the good fight of faith (1 Tim. 6:12; 2 Tim. 4:7).

The second trumpet was a signal to form up: "Then do the trumpets sound again, to order them to get ready for the march."(1) At this stage, a believer should have on the whole armor of God.
The Lord wants skilled warriors, lined up with others, who will do battle against the wiles of the Devil (Eph. 6:11).

The third trumpet sound was the order to march: "Then do the trumpets give a sound a third time, that they are to go out."(1) Some have suggested that this is the equivalent of "the last trumpet" that Paul referred to in 1 Corinthians 15:52 concerning the Rapture of the church: Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (1 Cor. 15:51-52).

This trumpet may also point to the personal resolve of a believer to march out to serve Christ, to stand against all challenges to God's kingdom, and to be willing to endure hardships like a good soldier (2 Tim. 2:3).
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You can hear the Roman trumpets blowing in this vid

 

[mkgal1]

Have you ever looked at the messengers coming out of the Sanctuary in Revelation as types of Priests?

I will now

 

[Ed Parenteau]

No, that's not what was said. It was a question asked of you as to when He fulfilled the 7 feasts including Feast of Pentecost. You've been asserting He was "done" at the cross..That's not when Pentecost was.

It's a couple of times now, that JLB has not seen what you have so clearly understood. Thanks for pointing that out to him. He just doesn't seem to grasp the operative sentence in the passage he quoted:

For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

 

[mkgal1]

Here's more about why even the process of atonement under the Old Covenant wasn't complete on the cross.

Quoting from linked article:
I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law TILL ALL IS FULFILLED."

Again, Luke 21:21, "For these are the DAYS OF VENGEANCE, that ALL things which are WRITTEN may be fulfilled."

According to Jesus in both of these passages, the Law could not be removed until everything in the Law and the Prophets was fulfilled. So either the Law is still applicable to ALL OF US today, or the Law and everything in it was completely fulfilled in AD 70. We know everything wasn't fulfilled at the cross because the Law was still being applied to that transitional generation of Jews. It was not "finished" until AD 70.

When was the Day of Atonement Finished?
Jesus fulfilled the Passover at his death, then fulfilled Pentecost 50 days later by the outpouring of the Spirit. But when was the Day of Atonement fulfilled in the earth like the others? This is a question that needs an answer!

The imagery of the priest going into the tabernacle or the temple, was that though the priest entered into the Holy of Holies and placed the blood on the mercy seat, it wasn't until the priest came back out and pronounced the blessing that the PROCESS OF ATONEMENT was "finished". Of course they were forgiven, accepted, loved, etc before he came "out". But pay attention to what wasn't finished in the rest of this article.

So far, Jesus said it was finished regarding his earthly apostolic "sent" mission. Then he cried that it was finished at the cross as he died. Yet, it still wasn't finished because he had not yet applied his blood to the mercy seat of heaven, and he had not come back out of heaven separated from sin, to announce the clean slate on the Day of Atonement.

This is what the author of Hebrews is alluding to in 9:6-10,

Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the FIRST PART of the tabernacle, performing the services. But into the SECOND PART the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. It was SYMBOLIC for the PRESENT TIME in which both gifts and sacrifices ARE offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION.

Clearly, in the days preceding the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, the author of Hebrews says that the symbolism of a still standing system indicated that the way into the Holy of Holies was not yet made AT THEIR PRESENT TIME. The first part was opened (the altar), but the second part, only Jesus, the Great High Priest had passed through... until the time of reformation (the destruction of the entire religious Jewish system). We know this because he says the old covenant was fading away and was about to be removed (Heb. 8:13).

So while it is true that Jesus finished his sacrifice as the Lamb, and it is true that he applied his blood on the mercy seat of heaven as the Great High Priest, the New Covenant wasn't "complete" until Jesus came out of heaven spiritually to destroy the temple. Forgiveness was real and present. The Spirit, too, had come (Eph. 1:14). They were accepted in the Beloved. They were holy to the Lord. All that was true, but the covenant itself was incomplete. - Why "It is Finished" was Finished in AD 70 — A New Day Dawning

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Here's more about why even the process of atonement under the Old Covenant wasn't complete on the cross.

Quoting from linked article:
I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law TILL ALL IS FULFILLED."

Again, Luke 21:21, "For these are the DAYS OF VENGEANCE, that ALL things which are WRITTEN may be fulfilled."

According to Jesus in both of these passages, the Law could not be removed until everything in the Law and the Prophets was fulfilled. So either the Law is still applicable to ALL OF US today, or the Law and everything in it was completely fulfilled in AD 70. We know everything wasn't fulfilled at the cross because the Law was still being applied to that transitional generation of Jews. It was not "finished" until AD 70.

When was the Day of Atonement Finished?
Jesus fulfilled the Passover at his death, then fulfilled Pentecost 50 days later by the outpouring of the Spirit. But when was the Day of Atonement fulfilled in the earth like the others? This is a question that needs an answer!

The imagery of the priest going into the tabernacle or the temple, was that though the priest entered into the Holy of Holies and placed the blood on the mercy seat, it wasn't until the priest came back out and pronounced the blessing that the PROCESS OF ATONEMENT was "finished". Of course they were forgiven, accepted, loved, etc before he came "out". But pay attention to what wasn't finished in the rest of this article.

So far, Jesus said it was finished regarding his earthly apostolic "sent" mission. Then he cried that it was finished at the cross as he died. Yet, it still wasn't finished because he had not yet applied his blood to the mercy seat of heaven, and he had not come back out of heaven separated from sin, to announce the clean slate on the Day of Atonement.

This is what the author of Hebrews is alluding to in 9:6-10,

Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the FIRST PART of the tabernacle, performing the services. But into the SECOND PART the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. It was SYMBOLIC for the PRESENT TIME in which both gifts and sacrifices ARE offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION.

Clearly, in the days preceding the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, the author of Hebrews says that the symbolism of a still standing system indicated that the way into the Holy of Holies was not yet made AT THEIR PRESENT TIME. The first part was opened (the altar), but the second part, only Jesus, the Great High Priest had passed through... until the time of reformation (the destruction of the entire religious Jewish system). We know this because he says the old covenant was fading away and was about to be removed (Heb. 8:13).

So while it is true that Jesus finished his sacrifice as the Lamb, and it is true that he applied his blood on the mercy seat of heaven as the Great High Priest, the New Covenant wasn't "complete" until Jesus came out of heaven spiritually to destroy the temple. Forgiveness was real and present. The Spirit, too, had come (Eph. 1:14). They were accepted in the Beloved. They were holy to the Lord. All that was true, but the covenant itself was incomplete. - Why "It is Finished" was Finished in AD 70 — A New Day Dawning

Amen and Amen. The question becomes: why is that hard to understand once shown?

 

[mkgal1]

Amen and Amen. The question becomes: why is that hard to understand once shown?

Presumptions and expectations, is my guess (and zeal to not swerve from current beliefs) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I realize you probably meant that as a rhetorical question - but I've been thinking about what keeps people from seeing what seems so obvious to me.

I just learned the other day that before Saul's conversion, his main reason for not believing that Jesus was the Messiah was this one verse (one expectation - one presumption) from Deuteronomy:

Deut 21:23 -... anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse​

Saul never reconciled that with Isaiah's prophecy:

Isaiah 53:5 - But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.​

 

[mkgal1]

Jesus said He came to fulfill the law.


I believe Him.

I'm encouraged to read that's true.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here's more about why even the process of atonement under the Old Covenant wasn't complete on the cross.
Again, Luke 21:21, "For these are the DAYS OF VENGEANCE, that ALL things which are WRITTEN may be fulfilled."
According to Jesus in both of these passages, the Law could not be removed until everything in the Law and the Prophets was fulfilled. So either the Law is still applicable to ALL OF US today, or the Law and everything in it was completely fulfilled in AD 70. We know everything wasn't fulfilled at the cross because the Law was still being applied to that transitional generation of Jews. It was not "finished" until AD 70.
Why "It is Finished" was Finished in AD 70 — A New Day Dawning

Good verse.
Please visit and vote on my Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:21-22 thread........

Was Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 fulfilled in the 1st century/70ad?

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Is there anyone here that would like to discuss Luke's "Days of Vengeance"? I feel it is perhaps one of the most profound eschatological verses in the NT.

I will explain more fully as this thread goes along, and I hope we can have a fruitful, meaningful, edifying and friendly discussion on this.

Luke actually quotes from this famous prophetic verse of Isaiah 61:2:

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

As most everyone is aware of by now is, that Jesus leaves out the "Day of Vengeance" in His discourse recorded only by Luke. We will examine this more as we go along.

Luke 4:
16 Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up.
As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and when He stood up to read, 17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
18 'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to evangelize<2097 to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor<1184>.'
20 Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him,
21 and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture<1124 is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”

In Matthew's Gospel, Jesus tells the disciples of John to go back and report these miracles of Jesus [who] is in prison:

Matthew 11:
3 to ask Him, “Are You the One who was to come, or should we look for someone else?”
4 Jesus replied, “Go back and report to John what you hear and see:
5 The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepersa are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and poor-ones are being evangelized-to 6 Blessed is the one who does not fall away on account of Me.”

And now the prophetic end time verse of Luke 21:22 of the 70 Temple/Jerusalem discourse.

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim<7121> the year of the good pleasure<7522> of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

Luke 21:22
For these are the days of vengeance<1557>,
to fulfill<4130> all things having been written<1125>.

 

[keras]

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim<7121> the year of the good pleasure<7522> of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

You like to think al was fulfilled then, but there was no 'comfort for the mourners' in 70 AD.
The Jews were all killed or taken into slavery. Only the few Christian Jews, who escaped before Jerusalem was taken; survived.

Isaiah 61:2b-11 goes on to tell of a great restoration of the Lord's people in all of the holy Land, something that is yet to happen, as many prophesies tell us.

Also, Luke 21:25-26, describing cosmic events, the actual Day of the Lord's vengeance and fiery wrath; awaits fulfilment.
Then we read in Isaiah 63:1-6, how the Lord gets His garments splashed in blood, then at His Return His clothes are already stained with blood, Revelation 19:13, Luke 21:27.

It is rather plain that any preterist ideas of a past fulfilment of these prophesies, are just wrong and simply leaves those who don't like the idea of having to face tough times, in the dark about what will happen.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

mkgal1 said: ↑
Here's more about why even the process of atonement under the Old Covenant wasn't complete on the cross.
Again, Luke 21:21, "For these are the DAYS OF VENGEANCE, that ALL things which are WRITTEN may be fulfilled."
According to Jesus in both of these passages, the Law could not be removed until everything in the Law and the Prophets was fulfilled. So either the Law is still applicable to ALL OF US today, or the Law and everything in it was completely fulfilled in AD 70. We know everything wasn't fulfilled at the cross because the Law was still being applied to that transitional generation of Jews. It was not "finished" until AD 70.
Why "It is Finished" was Finished in AD 70 — A New Day Dawning

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Good verse.
Please visit and vote on my Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:21-22 thread........

Was Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 fulfilled in the 1st century/70ad?
Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim<7121> the year of the good pleasure<7522> of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

You like to think al was fulfilled then, but there was no 'comfort for the mourners' in 70 AD.
The Jews were all killed or taken into slavery. Only the few Christian Jews, who escaped before Jerusalem was taken; survived.

Isaiah 61:2b-11 goes on to tell of a great restoration of the Lord's people in all of the holy Land, something that is yet to happen, as many prophesies tell us.

Also, Luke 21:25-26, describing cosmic events, the actual Day of the Lord's vengeance and fiery wrath; awaits fulfilment.
Then we read in Isaiah 63:1-6, how the Lord gets His garments splashed in blood, then at His Return His clothes are already stained with blood, Revelation 19:13, Luke 21:27.

It is rather plain that any preterist ideas of a past fulfilment of these prophesies, are just wrong and simply leaves those who don't like the idea of having to face tough times, in the dark about what will happen.

Ok...............

I copied your response and pasted it to that thread on Isa 61 and Luk 21............

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation
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[JLB777]

No, that's not what was said. It was a question asked of you as to when He fulfilled the 7 feasts including Feast of Pentecost. You've been asserting He was "done" at the cross..That's not when Pentecost was.

I believe Jesus did what He said He came to do, which was fulfill the law.


“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17


There is no mention of “feasts” in His statement.

You have interject that word and implied Jesus didn’t do what He so plainly said He Himself came to do, which was fulfill the law.



Pkease explain why you don’t believe Jesus fulfilled the law?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

It's a couple of times now, that JLB has not seen what you have so clearly understood. Thanks for pointing that out to him. He just doesn't seem to grasp the operative sentence in the passage he quoted:

Maybe you could explain to us why it is you don’t believe Jesus fulfilled the law?


He said He came to fulfill the law?


Do you believe He did?


JLB