Us Diplomats wife Suspect in hit and run death of teenager flees country.

[Goonie]

Crash victim's mum appeals for US suspect's return


Did the us embassy aid and abet the fleeing of a suspect in the killing of the stepson of a us citizen.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Do spouses get diplomatic immunity, too?

 

[Goonie]

Do spouses get diplomatic immunity, too?

US diplomat's wife 'claims immunity and leaves UK after fatal road accident'

Yes. She claimed diplomatic immunity and the US refused to waive it aiding her in fleeing after being suspected of killing a teenager.

 

[John P. Alexander]

The thread title broke my brain.

She should face justice.

 

[Goonie]

The thread title broke my brain.

She should face justice.

Not according to the US Govt. instead diplomatic immunity and aided and abetted in fleeing the country.

 

[dzheremi]

Yes. I had a family member who was unfortunately involved in a fatal car accident when I was quite young (he's a cousin who is something like 8-9 years older than me, and it happened as I recall sometime in his early twenties, well over twenty years ago by now), and I suspect it was only his resisting the somewhat natural urge to run that kept him out of jail for it, as it was ultimately determined based on the statements he and another occupant (I can't remember if they were from his car or the other car that was involved) gave to the police that he would not be charged, as he had not been driving recklessly in any fashion. It was an accident in the truest sense of the word; a matter of bad timing rather than necessarily bad judgement. But running from the scene is in itself bad judgment.

 

[Ophiolite]

It is interesting* that there are some in the UK (usually government ministers trying to bolster a weak argument) who pretend the UK still enjoys a "special relationship" with the USA. As this tragic incident shows, such is not the case.

*Interesting is a euphemism.

 

[Goonie]

Yes. I had a family member who was unfortunately involved in a fatal car accident when I was quite young (he's a cousin who is something like 8-9 years older than me, and it happened as I recall sometime in his early twenties, well over twenty years ago by now), and I suspect it was only his resisting the somewhat natural urge to run that kept him out of jail for it, as it was ultimately determined based on the statements he and another occupant (I can't remember if they were from his car or the other car that was involved) gave to the police that he would not be charged, as he had not been driving recklessly in any fashion. It was an accident in the truest sense of the word; a matter of bad timing rather than necessarily bad judgement. But running from the scene is in itself bad judgment.

Indeed. In this case the driver was on the wrong side of the road, so the question is how long was the diplomats wife in the country, and how often she drove, on what side of road do you drive in the USA?

 

[mindlight]

Crash victim's mum appeals for US suspect's return


Did the us embassy aid and abet the fleeing of a suspect in the killing of the stepson of a us citizen.

She is not the diplomat himself, she committed a crime. From the sound of it she was driving on the wrong side of the road when she mowed the motor bike down. This is not a minor misdemeanour and the idea that she is entitled to immunity because of who she knows is slightly elitist. Not sure how she became a suspect and how convincing the evidence of her connection to the case is. Her fleeing the country implies guilt however. Is this one of those friendly fire incidents that we just need to shrug off or a major injustice masked by the privileged entitlement of a certain class of Americans who think they are above the law.

 

[Goonie]

She is not the diplomat himself, she committed a crime. From the sound of it she was driving on the wrong side of the road when she mowed the motor bike down. This is not a minor misdemeanour and the idea that she is entitled to immunity because of who she knows is slightly elitist. Not sure how she became a suspect and how convincing the evidence of her connection to the case is. Her fleeing the country implies guilt however. Is this one of those friendly fire incidents that we just need to shrug off or a major injustice masked by the privileged entitlement of a certain class of Americans who think they are above the law.

We are supposed to be allies but as this case shows, along with trump sending a hostage negotiator to Sweden when that rapper was arrested, that’s just nonsense.

the crazy thing is, if she had hit the teenager and run, if she had come forward immediately, with the lawyers the us embassy can afford, I suspect the punishment would have been lenient, assuming she was not drinking. The foreigner abroad defence.

 

[JackRT]

There have actually been instances of a diplomat committing murder and claiming diplomatic immunity and getting away with it. The worst that the host country can do is expel them back to their own country.

 

[mindlight]

We are supposed to be allies but as this case shows, along with trump sending a hostage negotiator to Sweden when that rapper was arrested, that’s just nonsense.

the crazy thing is, if she had hit the teenager and run, if she had come forward immediately, with the lawyers the us embassy can afford, I suspect the punishment would have been lenient, assuming she was not drinking. The foreigner abroad defence.

Think there is enough going on at the moment to challenge good relations between our two countries not to add to any anger. But agree she should have come forward and this would probably have been viewed as a tragic accident. As you say now there is a suspicion she was driving drunk or drugged because she did not come forward at the time.

 

[iluvatar5150]

There have actually been instances of a diplomat committing murder and claiming diplomatic immunity and getting away with it.

Welcome to the CIA.

Also, anybody remember when Erdogan's bodyguards beat up protesters in Washington DC? They had immunity, too as I recall.

 

[JackRT]

I think that a whole new look needs to be taken on the question of diplomatic immunity. Some diplomats flout local laws at will. Just ask the police in any capital city about enforcing traffic laws.

 

[JackRT]

I think that all diplomats and families etc should be required to sign a declaration in advance to the effect that they will honour all local laws and will face the consequences if they fail to do so. The down side of that would be that the local police might use that to target the diplomats.

 

[Arcangl86]

I think that all diplomats and families etc should be required to sign a declaration in advance to the effect that they will honour all local laws and will face the consequences if they fail to do so. The down side of that would be that the local police might use that to target the diplomats.

And that's exactly why diplomatic immunity exists.

 

[JackRT]

Apparantly she was driving on the wrong side of the road. Easy for a newcomer to England. In my second day there I started into a roundabout the wrong way. That was a sobering experience!

 

[Goonie]

Apparantly she was driving on the wrong side of the road. Easy for a newcomer to England. In my second day there I started into a roundabout the wrong way. That was a sobering experience!

Indeed. The implication of the driver running is that they were over the limit, which would make it a far more serious offence.

 

[Michael]

Crash victim's mum appeals for US suspect's return


Did the us embassy aid and abet the fleeing of a suspect in the killing of the stepson of a us citizen.

It happens all the time apparently.

Anger as Saudi official escapes prosecution over cyclist death because diplomatic immunity

 

[JohnAshton]

She is home safe. Diplomatic immunity will not be waived.