Is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

[jgr]

Where did the rejection that led to the crucifixion of our Lord begin? From without or within?

From without. Christ and His kingdom did not align with the Pharisees' carnal expectations.

 

[BABerean2]

Once again, I am not redefining anything. The remnant spoken of in Romans 9:27 is spoken in terms of the nation of Israel and in the future tense and what will remain of the nation when it finally accepts Jesus as its Savior.

If that "remnant" which accepts Christ is made up on only ten people, would that be your "nation"?

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[jgr]

It is very clear you do not understand what the scripture is saying. If Israel is promised everlasting existence, of whom do you think the nation of Israel will consist of in the end? The Israelites who have rejected Christ, or they who have repented and received Him?

It is patently evident that you are desperate to racialize God and His Word.

The nation of Israel will consist, as it does today, of both saved and unsaved Jews and Gentiles, the saved of whom have always been, and will always be, until Christ returns, members of His Holy Nation, the Church. (1 Peter 2:9)

 

[Contenders Edge]

From without. Christ and His kingdom did not align with the Pharisees' carnal expectations.

Where did Jesus say that unbelief and wickedness begin? From without or within?

 

[Contenders Edge]

It is patently evident that you are desperate to racialize God and His Word.

The nation of Israel will consist, as it does today, of both saved and unsaved Jews and Gentiles, the saved of whom have always been, and will always be, until Christ returns, members of His Holy Nation, the Church. (1 Peter 2:9)

What led our Lord to choose Israel as a nation unto Himself in the first place? And shall the wicked of Israel continue to persist alongside the righteous of Israel when Christ returns to reign?

 

[Contenders Edge]

If that "remnant" which accepts Christ is made up on only ten people, would that be your "nation"?

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Zechariah 13:9 tells us the size of that remnant; large enough to continue on as a viable nation and people and to recover from the devastation that they are destined to endure in the forth coming tribulation.

 

[keras]

There is nothing to suggest that the vast multitude that John saw was on the earth. That they had come out of great tribulation suggests that they had died during that time. They will live again and no longer be dead and therefore will qualify for the Hephzibah and the other passages you cite are in reference to the second coming of our Lord who will destroy the wicked from the earth and receive honor and glory from those saints remaining on the earth when He returns.

That the vast multitude seen by John is on earth, specifically; in Jerusalem, is a normal, logical reading of Revelation 7, which sets an earthly scene in the first three verses.
They wave palm branches, a repeat of when Jesus came to Jerusalem on a donkey, this time: in His glory. However this is not His Return for the Millennium reign, as yet.
They are not dead or spiritual beings, there is no 'suggestion' of that.
They are people who have come thru a great ordeal, Revelation 7:14 and have gathered in the holy Land exactly as the prophesies such as Isaiah 62:1-5 predict. The ordeal of the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

It is your beliefs of a rapture removal of the Church and a Jewish redemption, that confuses you and makes you see things that are not scriptural.
However, you are unlikely to change your beliefs, only as things happen; will you and most other people finally understand what God really does plan for His people in the end times.

 

[keras]

What led our Lord to choose Israel as a nation unto Himself in the first place? And shall the wicked of Israel continue to persist alongside the righteous of Israel when Christ returns to reign?

Where you make your mistake, is in thinking that the visible nation that calls itself Israel, is the only Israel. The prophesies plainly say that the descendants of Abraham and of Jacob; will become many nations.
The Jewish nation of the Commonwealth of all the Israelite nations, the Christian peoples, is prophesied many times to soon be judged and punished. Only a remnant of Messianic Jews will survive. The third as per Zechariah 13, do pass thru fire and only a very few will remain.
Ezekiel 21:1-7....I will do away with the righteous and wicked alike.....
Isaiah 6:11-13.... Even though a tenth part of the people remain, they too will be destroyed...only a stump, a holy seed will remain.

Yoour belief, Contenders Edge, of a Jewish redemption, is wrong. The few who do remain, will join their Christian brethren and go to live in all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 50:4-5, Ezekiel 20:34-38

 

[jgr]

Where did Jesus say that unbelief and wickedness begin? From without or within?

Unbelief and wickedness toward whom or what?

They always are triggered by a target.

In Caiaphas' et al case, Christ Himself and everything associated with Him.

From without.

 

[Contenders Edge]

That the vast multitude seen by John is on earth, specifically; in Jerusalem, is a normal, logical reading of Revelation 7, which sets an earthly scene in the first three verses.
They wave palm branches, a repeat of when Jesus came to Jerusalem on a donkey, this time: in His glory. However this is not His Return for the Millennium reign, as yet.
They are not dead or spiritual beings, there is no 'suggestion' of that.
They are people who have come thru a great ordeal, Revelation 7:14 and have gathered in the holy Land exactly as the prophesies such as Isaiah 62:1-5 predict. The ordeal of the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

It is your beliefs of a rapture removal of the Church and a Jewish redemption, that confuses you and makes you see things that are not scriptural.
However, you are unlikely to change your beliefs, only as things happen; will you and most other people finally understand what God really does plan for His people in the end times.

Revelation chapter 7 can only depict Christ on earth before the worshipping multitude, which would require His return to reign upon the earth or they are standing before Him in Heaven. But He cannot be physically on the earth without returning to reign for the scripture says that the next time He does return, He will return to reign.

How is He going to be reigning in Israel during the days of the Anti-Christ without the whole world noticing?

 

[jgr]

What led our Lord to choose Israel as a nation unto Himself in the first place?

Abraham's faith and obedience.

A nation comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. (Genesis 17:12)

The faithful and obedient of both, He blessed and preserved.

The unfaithful and disobedient of both, He punished and slew.

Irrespective of their DNA.

And shall the wicked of Israel continue to persist alongside the righteous of Israel when Christ returns to reign?

Matthew 13
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Unbelief and wickedness toward whom or what?

They always are triggered by a target.

In Caiaphas' et al case, Christ Himself and everything associated with Him.

From without.

Then you have no understanding of the origins of evil nor understanding of what makes men evil because if you did, you would better understand the what the complete fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10 would entail and what Hebrews 6:6 actually means by crucifying Christ afresh on the part of those who set themselves against Him.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Abraham's faith and obedience.

Which is why Israel has been preserved as a people, established as nation, re-established as a nation, and will forever abide as a nation and people.

A nation comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. (Genesis 17:12)

The people from whom the nation of Israel descended were not a nation, but it is Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in whom they have their origins and were made into a distinct people and nation.

The faithful and obedient of both, He blessed and preserved.

The unfaithful and disobedient of both, He punished and slew.

Irrespective of their DNA.

Then the world, after the judgment has come upon it, will only be inhabited by godly, which means the nation of Israel will only be of godly Israelites.

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

But one day, the wicked will be uprooted from among the nation of Israel and the righteous preserved and in the righteous, the nation will abide.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Revelation chapter 7 can only depict Christ on earth before the worshipping multitude, which would require His return to reign upon the earth or they are standing before Him in Heaven. But He cannot be physically on the earth without returning to reign for the scripture says that the next time He does return, He will return to reign.

How is He going to be reigning in Israel during the days of the Anti-Christ without the whole world noticing?

My goodness C E.
Most everyone on this board has disputed your literal bodily reign of Christ for a 1000yrs.
Dispensational futurism is going the way of the Do Do Bird.....thank God

Revelation 20:4-6 "reign with Christ a 1000yrs"

 

[Contenders Edge]

Where you make your mistake, is in thinking that the visible nation that calls itself Israel, is the only Israel. The prophesies plainly say that the descendants of Abraham and of Jacob; will become many nations.
The Jewish nation of the Commonwealth of all the Israelite nations, the Christian peoples, is prophesied many times to soon be judged and punished. Only a remnant of Messianic Jews will survive. The third as per Zechariah 13, do pass thru fire and only a very few will remain.
Ezekiel 21:1-7....I will do away with the righteous and wicked alike.....
Isaiah 6:11-13.... Even though a tenth part of the people remain, they too will be destroyed...only a stump, a holy seed will remain.

Yoour belief, Contenders Edge, of a Jewish redemption, is wrong. The few who do remain, will join their Christian brethren and go to live in all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 50:4-5, Ezekiel 20:34-38

Zechariah 13:9 says that two thirds will pass, yet plainly states that the remaining third will survive the refining fire. You are still attempting to build your case on scriptures that have already been fulfilled. Jeremiah chapter 50 is about the judgment of Babylon which will be even more devastating and terrible than anything that ever came upon Israel and its people or ever will come. Ezekiel 20:34-38 is another passage regarding the regathering of the people of Israel from the nations into which they had been driven.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Zechariah 13:9 says that two thirds will pass, yet plainly states that the remaining third will survive the refining fire. You are still attempting to build your case on scriptures that have already been fulfilled. Jeremiah chapter 50 is about the judgment of Babylon which will be even more devastating and terrible than anything that ever came upon Israel and its people or ever will come. Ezekiel 20:34-38 is another passage regarding the regathering of the people of Israel from the nations into which they had been driven.

You have already stated that numerous times on this thread......ad nauseum........
That was all fulfilled in the 1st century.........

 

[jgr]

But one day, the wicked will be uprooted from among the nation of Israel and the righteous preserved and in the righteous, the nation will abide.

Scripture disagrees.

"Let both grow together until the harvest...the harvest is the end of the world."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Scripture disagrees.

"Let both grow together until the harvest...the harvest is the end of the world."

Fulfilled upon 1st century Israel/Jerusalem as prophecied.......

The Harvest of Matt 13/Reve 14
The Harvest of Matt 13/Reve 14

Joe 1:11 Be ashamed, you farmers, Wail, you vinedressers, For the wheat and the barley; because the Harvest of the field has perished.
Amo 4:7 “I also withheld rain from you, when there were still three months to the harvest. I made it rain on one city, I withheld rain from another city. One part was rained upon, And where it did not rain the part withered.
Joel 3:13 Put ye in the sickle! for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness [is] great.
Mat 9:37 Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few. 38 “Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest.”
Matthew 13:30 ‘Let both grow together until the Harvest, and at the time of Harvest I will say to the Reapers, 'First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into My barn.”39 And the enemy who sowed them is the Devil, and the Harvest is a full end<4930> of the Age, and the reapers are Messengers. [Revelation 14:15]
Mar 4:29 “But when the grain ripens, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come.”
Luk 10:2 Then He said to them, “The Harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the Harvest to send out laborers into His Harvest.
John 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the Harvest'? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for Harvest!
Matthew 24:3 Yet Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling! to us, when? shall these be, and what? the sign<4592>of the Thy parousia and full-end<4931> of the age.
Luke 21:
27 ‘And then they shall see the Son of Man, coming in a cloud, with power and much glory;

Revelation 14:
14 And I looked and behold! a white cloud
and upon the cloud like-as a Son of Man sitting, having a golden Crown upon His head and in His hand, a sharp sickle
15 And another Messenger came out of the Sanctuary, crying in a great voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Thy sickle! and reap<2325>!
that came the hour to reap, that is dried/ripe the Harvest of the land.”
16 So He sitting upon the cloud casts His sickle on the land, and the land is reaped.
17 And another Messenger came out of the Sanctuary of the one in the heaven, and He also had a sharp sickle.
18 Then another Messenger, the One who has authority over the fire, came out of the Altar; and He sounds to a great voice to Him having the sharp sickle, saying, “Put in thy sharp sickle! and pick! the clusters from the Grapevine of the land, that are mellow it's grapes.”

19 And the Messenger casts His sickle to the land and picks the Grapevine of the land and casts into the great tough of the fury of the great God.
20 And the trough was trodden outside the City, and blood came out of the trough, up to the horses’ bit, from a thousand six hundred stadia.

 

[jgr]

Then you have no understanding of the origins of evil nor understanding of what makes men evil because if you did, you would better understand the what the complete fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10 would entail and what Hebrews 6:6 actually means by crucifying Christ afresh on the part of those who set themselves against Him.

You'll have to do better than that.

Did the evil of Caiaphas et all have a target?

 

[Contenders Edge]

My goodness C E.
Most everyone on this board has disputed your literal bodily reign of Christ for a 1000yrs.
Dispensational futurism is going the way of the Do Do Bird.....thank God

Revelation 20:4-6 "reign with Christ a 1000yrs"

Dispensational futurism is still alive and well. And as for the bodily reign of Christ, Revelation chapter 20 makes that as clear as possible. There is no contextual reason to think that the 1,000 year reign is not literal. It is just that Preterism rejects what the text presents, accepts only those scriptures it deems in its favor while disregarding all the rest.

Dispensational futurism, as you call it, at least takes all scripture relating to any given subject it speaks on into account.