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[He is the way]

Remember, Joseph Smith's translation process with his "seer stone" and hat would not allow him to move on if what was written was not correct. He painted himself in a corner there.

Most of these errors were from type setting and punctuation. It should also be noted that the Book of Mormon was written by men and not God.

 

[He is the way]

If that's what you believe, then you are ignorant of the doctrinal changes. Do some research. For instance, D&C 101:4 (one man, one wife) conflicts with D&C 132 on polygamy, so it was removed in the 1876 version.

First of all The statement in D&C 101 was not a revelation given to Joseph Smith, it was written by Oliver Cowdery at a conference in Kirtland in 1835.
Secondly yes men do make mistakes.

 

[He is the way]

Actually, it is, since it does not line up with any known manuscript. JS didn't understand it, so he changed it. And you've fallen for it.

The Book of Moses is from God, and He has verified to me that it is true.

 

[He is the way]

Not an exact science?? There is no credible Egyptologist alive who would back up JS's "translation". But numerous have confirmed it's a funeral text. So, you're right - believe a false prophet or believe someone who knows the Egyptian language? No brainer for me.

I know for myself that dead people do not have their arms and legs up in the air. I guess the Egyptologists failed to notice that.

 

[He is the way]

Only there are a few "original manuscripts" available written by JS, each contradictory in some way to your current one.

When you tell of an event that happened in your life do you always use the same exact words? Perhaps you have a photograph memory, Joseph Smith did not have a photographic memory.

 

[He is the way]

Again, you are being deceptive. That's not what your Article of Faith says. Here it is:
“We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.”

Being intentionally deceptive is not "keeping the commandments". You should probably have a confessional chat with your bishop.

Peter did not make ignorant statements from the pulpit as BY did. HUGE difference. You are grasping at straws.

Zion has more than one meaning. Perhaps there are those who do not believe that the New Jerusalem will be built upon the American continent. I do.
(Bible Dictionary | Z Zion:Entry)

Zion. The word Zion is used repeatedly in all the standard works of the Church, and is defined in latter-day revelation as "the pure in heart" (D&C 97:21). Other usages of Zion have to do with a geographical location. For example, Enoch built a city that was called Zion (Moses 7:18–19); Solomon built his temple on Mount Zion (1 Kgs. 8:1; cf. 2 Sam. 5:6–7); and Jackson County, Missouri, is called Zion in many of the revelations in the D&C, such as 58:49–50; 62:4; 63:48; 72:13; 84:76; 104:47. The city of New Jerusalem, to be built in Jackson County, Missouri, is to be called Zion (D&C 45:66–67). The revelations also speak of "the cause of Zion" (D&C 6:6; 11:6). In a wider sense all of North and South America are Zion (HC 6:318–19). For further references see 1 Chr. 11:5; Ps. 2:6; 99:2; 102:16; Isa. 1:27; 2:3; 4:3–5; 33:20; 52:1–8; 59:20; Jer. 3:14; 31:6; Joel 2:1–32; Amos 6:1; Obad. 1:17, 21; Heb. 12:22–24; Rev. 14:1–5; and many others. (In the N.T., Zion is spelled Sion.)

Did Peter even have a pulpit? The fact is that Peter did make mistakes. Except for Jesus how many prophets did not make any mistakes?

 

[Pedra]

Perhaps some people do not understand the definition of prophet:

prophet
noun
proph·et | \ ˈprä-fət \
Definition of prophet


1: one who utters divinely inspired revelations: such as
a: often the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Bible
b: one regarded by a group of followers as the final authoritative revealer of God's will
2: one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insightespecially : an inspired poet
3: one who foretells future events : PREDICTOR
4: an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group
5: Christian Science
a: a spiritual seer
b: disappearance of material sense before the conscious facts of spiritual Truth

Jesus called Himself a prophet and indeed He was a prophet.

How be we just stick with the Biblical definition of a prophet?
The term prophet wasn't at issue , it was that you've used that same scripture multiple times as a defense & comparing Jesus statement in that scripture as to how Smith was not recognized. You also draw a false equivalency between the Lord and the false prophet Smith.

 

[Pedra]

Zion has more than one meaning. Perhaps there are those who do not believe that the New Jerusalem will be built upon the American continent. I do.
(Bible Dictionary | Z Zion:Entry)

Zion. The word Zion is used repeatedly in all the standard works of the Church, and is defined in latter-day revelation as "the pure in heart" (D&C 97:21). Other usages of Zion have to do with a geographical location. For example, Enoch built a city that was called Zion (Moses 7:18–19); Solomon built his temple on Mount Zion (1 Kgs. 8:1; cf. 2 Sam. 5:6–7); and Jackson County, Missouri, is called Zion in many of the revelations in the D&C, such as 58:49–50; 62:4; 63:48; 72:13; 84:76; 104:47. The city of New Jerusalem, to be built in Jackson County, Missouri, is to be called Zion (D&C 45:66–67). The revelations also speak of "the cause of Zion" (D&C 6:6; 11:6). In a wider sense all of North and South America are Zion (HC 6:318–19). For further references see 1 Chr. 11:5; Ps. 2:6; 99:2; 102:16; Isa. 1:27; 2:3; 4:3–5; 33:20; 52:1–8; 59:20; Jer. 3:14; 31:6; Joel 2:1–32; Amos 6:1; Obad. 1:17, 21; Heb. 12:22–24; Rev. 14:1–5; and many others. (In the N.T., Zion is spelled Sion.)

Did Peter even have a pulpit? The fact is that Peter did make mistakes. Except for Jesus how many prophets did not make any mistakes?

Not surprising your mistaken beliefs about Zion, since Mormonism falsely claims the american Indians are lost tribes of the Jews. Predictably Smith's Mormonism claims go against that which is written in God's word.

 

[Pedra]

The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price are all scripture directly from God. Having read them I know they are from God. Brigham Young did not say that God told him that people lived on the sun. God did not tell Peter to deny Jesus Christ three times.

It is horrifying to imagine many souls at death finding out too late that they have been so deceived by Smith & his writings. I pray God will cause your eyes to open to HIS written Word that is only found in the Bible, before it is too late, in Jesus precious name.

 

[Pedra]

The Book of Moses is from God, and He has verified to me that it is true.

Do you not realize that the devil has his evil spirits who will give signs and wonders to convince people when he impersonates God?
Test the spirits the Bible says.

 

[dzheremi]

Zion (Tsiyon, Siyon, etc.) is probably a place name that predates the Israelites. I don't know Hebrew, so I just did a quick scan of Wikipedia, and it seems that some possible roots in that language include ṣiyyôn ("castle") or ṣiyya ("dry land"). There are also some people who think that it has a non-Semitic origin in languages like Hittite or Hurrian.

When you have a word like this whose actual origins are pretty obscure, it becomes very easy to say that it means whatever you want it to mean, in line with your religion's theology. This is how Christianity has developed its own meaning for the word that is more soteriological (having to do with heaven and the kingdom of God, not just an actual hill in Israel/Palestine), and Rastafarianism its own (a sort of Utopia, from what I understand), and so on. There's no reason why the Latter Day Saint movement therefore can't have its own or several, since what it 'actually means' is not clear.

That said, things that come from some sort of Bible Dictionary of Mormonism and rely heavily on the understanding of the term as found in Mormon-specific writings should not be assumed therefore to apply or be acceptable outside of the Mormon context in which they were thought up. This is analogous to the constant argument over the centuries between Jews and Christians concerning Messiahship: because Christianity, via things like the Epiphany and the Transfiguration and so on, has developed its own idea of Who and what the Messiah is, it is totally understandable that the Jews, as non-believers in any of these things to begin with, would protest that these don't amount to a hill of beans, or at least don't provide reason enough for them to change their preexisting definition of who and what the Messiah is to be.

 

[He is the way]

How be we just stick with the Biblical definition of a prophet?
The term prophet wasn't at issue , it was that you've used that same scripture multiple times as a defense & comparing Jesus statement in that scripture as to how Smith was not recognized. You also draw a false equivalency between the Lord and the false prophet Smith.

Nothing there was to compare Joseph Smith to Jesus Christ. However it is well known that Jesus Christ is a prophet of God and did His Father's will.

 

[He is the way]

Not surprising your mistaken beliefs about Zion, since Mormonism falsely claims the american Indians are lost tribes of the Jews. Predictably Smith's Mormonism claims go against that which is written in God's word.

And what word would that be?

 

[He is the way]

It is horrifying to imagine many souls at death finding out too late that they have been so deceived by Smith & his writings. I pray God will cause your eyes to open to HIS written Word that is only found in the Bible, before it is too late, in Jesus precious name.

I quote the Bible most of the time, yet I don't see people saying that people should LOVE Jesus Christ by keeping the commandments as He taught us to do.

 

[Pedra]

I quote the Bible most of the time, yet I don't see people saying that people should LOVE Jesus Christ by keeping the commandments as He taught us to do.

Btw, what does your comment have to do with mine?--- absolutely NOTHING. You ignore it and CHANGE the subject.
Btw, You read the Bible only through the deceiving lense of Mormon teachings so that is with distortion and misunderstanding.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Well there are over 450 translations of the Bible in English. Have you read Wycliffe's translation?

Translations =\= revisions. You specifically said revisions.

I wonder if they know how many times the Bible has been revised?

 

[BigDaddy4]

Most of these errors were from type setting and punctuation.

Blameshifting at its finest. Now you're so-called prophet can't protect the supposed word of God? Lame excuse. Even so, that does not excuse the content errors that JS was supposed to have written down correctly before he could move on.

It should also be noted that the Book of Mormon was written by men and not God.

That's one of the first things you've said that I would agree with. God had no part in it!

 

[Peter1000]

Not surprising your mistaken beliefs about Zion, since Mormonism falsely claims the american Indians are lost tribes of the Jews. Predictably Smith's Mormonism claims go against that which is written in God's word.

It is not the lost tribes of the Jews. It is the lost tribes of Joseph, Manassah in particular. God's word (OT)prophesied this tribe would come to the Americas.

 

[BigDaddy4]

First of all The statement in D&C 101 was not a revelation given to Joseph Smith, it was written by Oliver Cowdery at a conference in Kirtland in 1835.
Secondly yes men do make mistakes.

Your church had conflicting DOCTRINE and chose to remove the less inconvenient section. Joseph Smith did not remove it, your church leaders did in 1876, nor is there any record of him disavowing D&C 101 that I am aware of. Your prophet wasn't aware of this when his "revelation" of polygamy for D&C 132 came about?? A true prophet would know such things.

It's no wonder your religion makes the unfounded claim that "precious truths" have been removed from the Bible. Because your religion practices that which you condemn!

 

[BigDaddy4]

The Book of Moses is from God, and He has verified to me that it is true.

And so you have been deceived by your god. That was not from the God of Christianity.