Adam and Eve and The Garden of Eden, "You shall not touch it, lest you die"...

[Neogaia777]

Adam and Eve both knew clearly that you do not eat of the tree, because God said so. The serpent wasn't concerned over the touching of the tree, the serpent was concerned over eating of the tree. Neither Adam or Eve are innocent in the story. And how would Adam know more about death than Eve? This is yet another assumption.

I am not inclined to believe God gave them a law so they can break it.

We can contemplate what they could or could not do, but what matters is what already happened: they disobeyed.

What you said: "is still in question and remains to be seen" is good. Leave it there and don't give truth to any of these answers you are giving to these questions. They are assumptions and have no Biblical validity to them.

Eve touched it first, and saw that she did not die or nothing happened, then chose to eat of it, and that's exactly where the deception began and is how it all started, end of story, or rather perhaps the beginning of new one maybe...?

It was how she was "thoroughly deceived"...

God Bless!

 

[Yahkov]

Because the Bible itself tells us what God told Adam, which was different from what Eve knew, and there is "no getting around that" because it is in scripture... and it says Adam was not deceived but that Eve was, and there is no getting around that either... so, it is not my view or interpretation that starts to fall apart or fails, if it does, etc, but it is the scriptures themselves that do, if they do, etc...

We are clearly dealing with what scripture actually says here, not just my own interpretations of it...

I'm willing to talk about about and entertain suggestions...? Theories, etc...

What is clear here though, is our classic interpretations of it have been wrong thus far, and that much is obvious...

I'm sorry it can't be "simple", but that's not my fault...

God Bless!

If Adam was the one who passed this command to Eve and added, "don't even touch it," he is within his right to do so. The husband holds the authority. Please explain to me how this creates an opportunity for the serpent to deceive her? If anything, it makes the tree all the more cautionary.

I agree that Adam was not deceived but Eve was. I strongly disagree when you saw Adam created this opportunity for Eve to be deceived.

If you decide to entertain theories over Scripture, that's on you. But when you share your theories as what actually happened, that's where the issue arises. I'd recommend you stick to the simple message, on par with what Paul said. Otherwise you run into what he wrote about to Timothy.

"As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith." - 1 Timothy 1:3-4

 

[Neogaia777]

You could say "all of them" and "all of us" were "all deceived" by and even higher God, but I'm not allowed to go to much into that on here though...

But, if that's even remotely true, I would have to say that I fully would and do 100% truly believe it is for a very, very good, and much higher and greater plan and purpose that will greatly benefit us all greatly and very, very much in the end...

God Bless!

 

[Yahkov]

Eve touched it first, and saw that she did not die or nothing happened, then chose to eat of it, and that's exactly where the deception began and is how it all started, end of story, or rather perhaps the beginning of new one maybe...?

It was how she was "thoroughly deceived"...

God Bless!

Eve touched it first and saw she did not die or nothing happened? Ok this is getting out of control. I don't man, just be careful with how you handle Scripture. That's all I got left to say.

 

[Neogaia777]

If Adam was the one who passed this command to Eve and added, "don't even touch it," he is within his right to do so. The husband holds the authority. Please explain to me how this creates an opportunity for the serpent to deceive her? If anything, it makes the tree all the more cautionary.

Are you kidding me with this!, it's deception and deceiving, and is clearly "wrong", you don't think so...?

I agree that Adam was not deceived but Eve was. I strongly disagree when you saw Adam created this opportunity for Eve to be deceived.

If Adam could lie to Eve then maybe that gave him (the serpent) permission to as well...?

If you decide to entertain theories over Scripture, that's on you. But when you share your theories as what actually happened, that's where the issue arises. I'd recommend you stick to the simple message, on par with what Paul said. Otherwise you run into what he wrote about to Timothy.

Show me...? Show me where Paul tells of the "simple message" or clearly supports your (wrong) interpretation of Adam and Eve, and whatnot...? Show me where any of them do for that matter...?

"As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith." - 1 Timothy 1:3-4

You misquoting and misapplying scripture... It is not at all talking about me or the kind of thing I am doing here, so...?

That verse does not even apply here, and is talking about something else other than what I am doing here so...?

Nice try though...

God Bless!