Adam and Eve and The Garden of Eden, "You shall not touch it, lest you die"...

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He would have got a nice pair of snakeskin trousers instead of waiting and ending up with an apron.
Speculation, speculation and more speculation. Here's my speculative theorem (Tongue In Cheek ;))

One day Eve said to Adam (English translation) , "I'm tired of being treated as your property. For just once in my life can't you give me some liberty?"
So as with most loving spouses he relinquished to his beloved's :tutu: seemingly innocent request, although his gut feeling told him it might not be such a great idea. Later that day Adam thought to himself, "It's her liberty not mine, but because I love her i'll go along."
 
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Thanks but seems your adding allot to whats written. One could say he was right there the whole time. Which is what I believe. For it says "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked". Both open seems at the same time.
 
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The devil always misquotes God when he wants to deceive. God told Adam that if he ate of the fruit he would die, not just touch it. Satan misquoted God to confuse Eve as to what God actually said.

Yes, Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the snake and the snake didn't have a leg to stand on!
ALWAYS?

ACT 16:16 As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. 17 She followed Paul and us, crying, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation."
 
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ACT 16:16 As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. 17 She followed Paul and us, crying, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation."

What if it didn’t matter how accurate it was stated. A good question why would anti-Christ want to remind her of The Lord’s commandment? Anti-Christ wanted her Focus on the Lord’s command not to eat. If we don’t understand what transpired we will miss it and the spirit of anti-christ who is already in the world will continue to want the Lord’s Bride focus on the command. Satan continues The did God say and sin abounds in just about all of. Satan is opening the way for sin. ThisTree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil what is it? Why did Satan want us under that tree? If we can answer these questions we begin to have foundation for the story awesome deception Satan ever pulled.

We know God doesn’t change same, yesterday and the last day what He meant for Adam He means for us also. What
 
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He named it, and in that original language, the name was the thing, and the thing was the name, which means you "knew" it, fully...

This was before the language got corrupted or divided or scattered...

And Adam had "named" all of the animals long before Eve was ever made or came on the scene...

And it was Adam's responsibility to "educate" Eve on these things or about these animals, and also God's words, or commands, etc, as well...

And He "messed up" apparently...

God Bless!

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What if it didn’t matter how accurate it was stated. A good question why would anti-Christ want to remind her of The Lord’s commandment? Anti-Christ wanted her Focus on the Lord’s command not to eat. If we don’t understand what transpired we will miss it and the spirit of anti-christ who is already in the world will continue to want the Lord’s Bride focus on the command. Satan continues The did God say and sin abounds in just about all of. Satan is opening the way for sin. ThisTree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil what is it? Why did Satan want us under that tree? If we can answer these questions we begin to have foundation for the story awesome deception Satan ever pulled.

We know God doesn’t change same, yesterday and the last day what He meant for Adam He means for us also. What
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Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Surely God was not against the gaining of knowledge. It was the knowledge of good and evil and would make Man like God if he had this knowledge, knowledge that only can be obtained through God’s Law. It
 
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Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Surely God was not against the gaining of knowledge. It was the knowledge of good and evil and would make Man like God if he had this knowledge, knowledge that only can be obtained through God’s Law. It
Locked again must be something going on with my iPad will switch to my desktop tomorrow to finish. Thanks for your grace. God bless
 
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Sorry other post locked.

Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Surely God was not against the gaining of knowledge. It was the knowledge of good and evil and would make Man like God if he had this knowledge, knowledge that only can be obtained through God’s Law. It
You are very right about it not being knowledge in general, but the specific knowledge of good and evil, or the difference, or the knowing, or the judging between, etc... And then imposing the judgement on others, etc...

Brings/causes death, etc...

Only God can and is supposed to do it... or one who is God, or is like God...

Bring/causes death for us, etc...

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Everything represents something on at least five levels if not more. I do not try to get into understanding all of the symbols so much as what each individual letter represents. God is infinite. So we could spend our whole life to study and understand what the very first letter in the very first word means. This represents the incarnation. Jesus becoming a humble part of His Creation. So that heaven and earth could be united to become one. This is what they call to run and return or the cycle of life. God made them male and female so that could be united and become one. God made Heaven and Earth so that He could be united and become one. So we are to pray, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. So that creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

First off it is a mystery the Worship leader before God , would appear in the form of a animal.
Genesis is a difficult study, in that when reading you get a sense of two combined narritives, even with the present tense of God, speaking to Cain.
Who were the people Cain feared would kill him?
The account in Genesis one says God made both male and female,
He gave them dominion over the earth ,and were to eat from every fruit or herb bearing seed.
In Genesis two we see a different narrative.
Personally I believe there were two sets of people.
This solves many problems with logic.
Even the Sons of God ,and Daughters of Men question.
So many believe fallen Angels went and took Women.
I Believe God's Word is truth, it is or comprehension that fails.
I Believe there is a possibility that God chose to leave such mystery in His Word for His purposes.
I doubt God would allow a change or deletion, that was not brought to light.
It was Moses who by instructions from God had written the Geneisis account.
 
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First off it is a mystery the Worship leader before God , would appear in the form of a animal.
Genesis is a difficult study, in that when reading you get a sense of two combined narritives, even with the present tense of God, speaking to Cain.
Who were the people Cain feared would kill him?
The account in Genesis one says God made both male and female,
He gave them dominion over the earth ,and were to eat from every fruit or herb bearing seed.
In Genesis two we see a different narrative.
Personally I believe there were two sets of people.
This solves many problems with logic.
Even the Sons of God ,and Daughters of Men question.
So many believe fallen Angels went and took Women.
I Believe God's Word is truth, it is or comprehension that fails.
I Believe there is a possibility that God chose to leave such mystery in His Word for His purposes.
I doubt God would allow a change or deletion, that was not brought to light.
It was Moses who by instructions from God had written the Geneisis account.
I've thought of that before and wondered about it, two different sets of people, etc, and maybe some interbreeding or intermixing went on maybe...? One evolved and was lesser and one didn't, etc..

Some things we'll never know I guess, or at least, not "yet" anyway...

We can speculate and wonder and ponder and wonder at the possibilities, but confirming any of them for absolutely sure is where it becomes difficult...

God Bless!
 
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6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

I have a translation that says "When with her" or when he was with her, or when she was with or rejoined him again...

And I think that's the only thing that makes sense...

I mean, I don't think Adam would have been right there with her, right as the serpent was speaking and saying this to her and hearing him/it (the serpent) tempt her, or mess with her in this manner, without stopping it, or putting a stop to it right away, etc... I don't think he was there just standing idly by IOW's...

I think Eve was by herself when this was going on, and she touched the fruit, saw that she did not die, like Adam told her that's what God said, when that is not exactly what God said, then, "then", she ate of it already before bringing it to Adam, then he ate of it too or also, seeing that she already had, ect... But was not deceived, etc... But Eve was thoroughly deceived, etc...

I think Adam was familiar with the serpent and his temptations already maybe, before Eve was ever even around or was made, etc... Knew the consequences, did not believe the serpent, and was not deceived, but, because she had already eaten of it, he decided to also...

It's really the only thing that makes sense to me...

And I also find it interesting that Adam did not blame or try to blame the serpent also...?

Should have blamed himself, and maybe "felt that", but chose to try to blame God and the woman "He (God) gave him" instead...

He already fully knew how the serpent worked an operated and how he/it (the serpent) would try to twist or mince words, especially if you were not "exact" or "perfectly perfect" in or on the matter, and how that could give the serpent an opportunity and opening to try and trick or deceive, tempt/lie, etc...

I heard a pastor use this one time, about a snake on the ground saying to a person or asking a person, or it telling them he/it was cold, and was begging the person to put them inside their coat or jacket to help him get and be warm, and it promised not to bite them, so, the person picked it up, put it inside their coat, and it bit them, and the person said or exclaimed, "why did you bite me, you said you wouldn't do that...?" To which the snake replied, "Hey, you knew what I was when you picked me up..."

God Bless!
 
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Genesis 3...

1 "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat: 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (which was not part of the command, the not touching it part, so lets start with that)

4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, (seeing his opening in the whole you shall not touch it or you will die part, that was Adam's error and mistake, who was not with her when this was happening or going on) Anyway, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, (the serpent planted the desire in Eve to touch it and take of it and eat it, due to the opening he saw about Adam's not properly telling her the command but adding to it with the whole you shall not touch it or you will die part) Anyway, then she took of the fruit thereof, (touched it first and saw she did not die) and she did eat it (after that, and saw that she did not die); and (then) she gave also unto her husband (when) with her ("when with her" one translation says, which is very important), and he did eat. (after he saw that she already had eaten of it, after she joined him (Adam) again) (seeing that she already had, and it was too late, etc)...

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig-leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Jehovah God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And Jehovah God called unto the man, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

(Adam saw that Eve had already eaten of it, by the time she had re-joined him, and was he to let her be cursed on her own or stand alone, when it might have been all Adam's fault for adding to God's command about the tree with the whole, "You shall not touch it or you will die", part to Eve, etc)...

I think Adam already knew the serpent and knew of his temptations, might have even been tried on Adam before Eve was ever in the picture, for it says Adam was not deceived, and He knew all the animals, and had named or defined them, etc) (Adam was not deceived in that he knew of the serpents temptations and the tree, and with the tree, etc, but did not know the difference between good and evil, or what evil was yet)

(and it was partially Adam's fault for not telling Eve or properly or accurately telling Eve the right command about the tree but adding to it, which gave the serpent the opening with Eve)

But Adam probably had seen that Eve had already fallen by the time she re-joined him and gave him the fruit to eat of, (saw that it was already too late for his beloved wife Eve) and was he to let her stand alone, he loved her greatly and dearly, bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh... Adam replied to God, "the woman you gave me", maybe kind of saying to God, "what was I supposed to do, oh God...?" Trying to blame God saying it was His fault, when it was his own's, Adam's fault...

Anyway,

Comments...?

God Bless!
Thinking that you are guilty of the same error which you believe Eve committed...adding to God's Words with your conjectures...are you not?
 
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Thinking that you are guilty of the same error which you believe Eve committed...adding to God's Words with your conjectures...are you not?
Not conjectures, logic...

And I would refer you to post #10 and #11...

God Bless!
 
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I have a translation that says "When with her" or when he was with her, or when she was with or rejoined him again...

And I think that's the only thing that makes sense...

I mean, I don't think Adam would have been right there with her, right as the serpent was speaking and saying this to her and hearing him/it (the serpent) tempt her, or mess with her in this manner, without stopping it, or putting a stop to it right away, etc... I don't think he was there just standing idly by IOW's...

I think Eve was by herself when this was going on, and she touched the fruit, saw that she did not die, like Adam told her that's what God said, when that is not exactly what God said, then, "then", she ate of it already before bringing it to Adam, then he ate of it too or also, seeing that she already had, ect... But was not deceived, etc... But Eve was thoroughly deceived, etc...

I think Adam was familiar with the serpent and his temptations already maybe, before Eve was ever even around or was made, etc... Knew the consequences, did not believe the serpent, and was not deceived, but, because she had already eaten of it, he decided to also...

It's really the only thing that makes sense to me...

And I also find it interesting that Adam did not blame or try to blame the serpent also...?

Should have blamed himself, and maybe "felt that", but chose to try to blame God and the woman "He (God) gave him" instead...

He already fully knew how the serpent worked an operated and how he/it (the serpent) would try to twist or mince words, especially if you were not "exact" or "perfectly perfect" in or on the matter, and how that could give the serpent an opportunity and opening to try and trick or deceive, tempt/lie, etc...

I heard a pastor use this one time, about a snake on the ground saying to a person or asking a person, or it telling them he/it was cold, and was begging the person to put them inside their coat or jacket to help him get and be warm, and it promised not to bite them, so, the person picked it up, put it inside their coat, and it bit them, and the person said or exclaimed, "why did you bite me, you said you wouldn't do that...?" To which the snake replied, "Hey, you knew what I was when you picked me up..."

God Bless!
Adam should have told God, "That dang serpent you made and put by that tree", but, then again, it would never had been a problem if we would have told Eve rightly either, or let Eve know all she needed to know ahead of time to prevent it from ever happening, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Thinking that you are guilty of the same error which you believe Eve committed...adding to God's Words with your conjectures...are you not?
And Adam is guilty of the same sin Eve committed... and maybe even more so since he was not deceived and the woman was thoroughly deceived, both by Adam and the serpent, and some might even take that as far to say "God" as well, or also, but I don't know that I would...

God Bless!
 
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And Adam is guilty of the same sin Eve committed... and maybe even more so since he was not deceived and the woman was thoroughly deceived, both by Adam and the serpent, and some might even take that as far to say "God" as well, or also, but I don't know that I would...

God Bless!
If anything the woman is the only innocent one in all of this...

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The two trees are metaphorical for Christ and the Law. The snake is metaphorical for fleshly man.

may I offer this and see what you think. I agree the Tree of Life was symbolic of Christ and His Grace. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil must be the Law because Paul tells us it is impossible to know what sin is unless the Law tells us what sin is. How else could Adam and Eve know?

The serpent is one of my favorite characters because when we begin to see who he is the magnitude of what happened and what is going to happen go off the charts for horror. The Serpent can only be understood by understanding who had come for Adam and Eve. The sheep had fallen and the Good Shepherd came seeking the Lost. This of course is The Christ. Now Satan also is a trinity but a trinity of evil and this is the middle person of the evil trinity the one who will be revealed as anti-Christ.

Trinity of evil can be seen in two teachings. We find Satan in heaven accusing the brethren day and night before God the Father. Just as the son of Satan opposed and counterfeited the Christ so Satan the father opposes and like the Father has never been seen. That leaves the false prophet but who might be better named the unholy spirit. The false prophet we are told is at work in the world denying the Christ. Not hard to see his work just as the Holy Spirit's work by His fruit. These three can never be in more than one place at one time. anti-Christ who is locked in the Abyss waiting to be released in the End Times. When he is released he is coming with the false prophet who will as angels can do be seen as a man. With them is coming not a 200,00,000 man army but these are not ordinary soldiers these are the fallen angels being held in chains for the time of judgment. The Lord foretold that those future days would be like in the Days of Noah when fallen angels walked the earth doing whatever they desired. This demonic army is that which will cause men's hearts to melt in abject fear. What happens next is extremely important. The Lord returns with His angels and the Lord defeats them at Armageddon. Anti-Christ the false prophet and their angels are defeated. Anti- Christ and the false prophet are thrown in the Lake of Fire. No ordinary men are thrown into the LOF until after the GWTJ. Now Satan the father is brought down from heaven and placed into the same prison, the Abyss, anti- Christ had been held prisoner. 1,000 years Satan the father is locked in the Abyss. Then he is allowed a short time in which he deceives the Gentile nations, leads them against Jerusalem and is defeated. Satan the father is now thrown in the LOF where anti Christ and the false prophet have been for a thousand years. Then the dead are raised and all whose name is not in the Lamb's Book of Life are judged and then they are thrown into the LOF. your thoughts please. thanks.
 
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may I offer this and see what you think. I agree the Tree of Life was symbolic of Christ and His Grace. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil must be the Law because Paul tells us it is impossible to know what sin is unless the Law tells us what sin is. How else could Adam and Eve know?

The serpent is one of my favorite characters because when we begin to see who he is the magnitude of what happened and what is going to happen go off the charts for horror. The Serpent can only be understood by understanding who had come for Adam and Eve. The sheep had fallen and the Good Shepherd came seeking the Lost. This of course is The Christ. Now Satan also is a trinity but a trinity of evil and this is the middle person of the evil trinity the one who will be revealed as anti-Christ.

Trinity of evil can be seen in two teachings. We find Satan in heaven accusing the brethren day and night before God the Father. Just as the son of Satan opposed and counterfeited the Christ so Satan the father opposes and like the Father has never been seen. That leaves the false prophet but who might be better named the unholy spirit. The false prophet we are told is at work in the world denying the Christ. Not hard to see his work just as the Holy Spirit's work by His fruit. These three can never be in more than one place at one time. anti-Christ who is locked in the Abyss waiting to be released in the End Times. When he is released he is coming with the false prophet who will as angels can do be seen as a man. With them is coming not a 200,00,000 man army but these are not ordinary soldiers these are the fallen angels being held in chains for the time of judgment. The Lord foretold that those future days would be like in the Days of Noah when fallen angels walked the earth doing whatever they desired. This demonic army is that which will cause men's hearts to melt in abject fear. What happens next is extremely important. The Lord returns with His angels and the Lord defeats them at Armageddon. Anti-Christ the false prophet and their angels are defeated. Anti- Christ and the false prophet are thrown in the Lake of Fire. No ordinary men are thrown into the LOF until after the GWTJ. Now Satan the father is brought down from heaven and placed into the same prison, the Abyss, anti- Christ had been held prisoner. 1,000 years Satan the father is locked in the Abyss. Then he is allowed a short time in which he deceives the Gentile nations, leads them against Jerusalem and is defeated. Satan the father is now thrown in the LOF where anti Christ and the false prophet have been for a thousand years. Then the dead are raised and all whose name is not in the Lamb's Book of Life are judged and then they are thrown into the LOF. your thoughts please. thanks.
That goes beyond what I know... (but not what I've heard of)...

But I am aware that Satan will be like a false father god, and will be instituting/setting up a false trinity, and a false religious system that will appear to some to be like the true one, but will not be the true one...

But it also clearly states that this system and it's followers will speak many blasphemies against the true Christ and His true Father, and I think the true Holy Spirit as well, and will be greatly persecuting and even torturing, tormenting, and putting to death, true believers, and will be hating and persecuting them very much and to an excessive degree...

All, set up by the future global world leader or Antichrist on earth, and will be like a false Christ to many, but discernment is needed to know how one can be like the true Christ to many, and be appearing to set up a true system, and yet be against them (the true ones) and the true trinity, and be speaking great blasphemies against them, "all at the same time", (at the same time as appearing to be like the true one, or true ones, etc)...

Careful discernment is needed and is a must...

God Bless!
 
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And Adam is guilty of the same sin Eve committed... and maybe even more so since he was not deceived and the woman was thoroughly deceived, both by Adam and the serpent, and some might even take that as far to say "God" as well, or also, but I don't know that I would...

God Bless!
God as well? But perhaps you shouldn't expound!
 
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