The Billy Graham Rule Goes to Court

[RDKirk]

As i think and meditate on this, this verse and song comes to mind. Mr. Torres sacrificed much for Christ. It will not be forgotten by the living God. May God bless Mr. Torres, and his wife, and his household in EXTRAORDINARY ways, and grant him EXTRAORDINARY favor, and recompense him in visible and tangible ways. Father may it be so, in the name of Jesus the Christ, the only begotten Son of You, the living God, the God of the living, amen.

"Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house." ~Pr 17:13

Let it rain.

It would not have been a sin for Torres to have gone on training duty with a woman.

Torres sacrificed for himself. Unless he was sacked for preaching the gospel or for refusing to recant the gospel, wasn't sacrificing for Christ.

 

[brinny]

It would not have been a sin for Torres to have gone on training duty with a woman.

Torres sacrificed for himself. Unless he was sacked for preaching the gospel or for refusing to recant the gospel, wasn't sacrificing for Christ.

It appears you perhaps misunderstood my post.

No worries, brother.

 

[seeking.IAM]

The only reason a Billy Graham Rule is needed is if a man has problems with his character, values, judgment, self-control, or has had some past problem with his behavior.

As I said before I have worked my entire career in a predominately female occupation. Look at pictures of any graduating class of social workers and count the number of males. As a result, I have worked with some bright and talented women. I admit there have been some I found personally and physically quite attractive. But so what?

Why did I never stray? Here's a bunch of reasons...

• I'm a Christian, and Christian values are pretty clear about sexual behavior.
• I can honor my values by my own intention without having a buffer present to ensure I don't slip up.
  
• I'm married. I made a promise to my wife standing at an altar decades ago. That means something to me.
• I keep my word.
• Breaking my vow would hurt a bunch of people I care about, most importantly my wife. Why would I do that?
• It would be wrong to exploit some attractive person I encountered for my own gratification.

As a psychotherapist, I spend hours alone behind a closed door having very non-sexual but none-the-less intimate conversations with women. Women are the largest consumers of outpatient therapy. I could not practice my profession if I depended upon the Billy Graham rule to protect my clients from me or me from them.

Over my career, I have had both a colleague and a client try to engage me in an inappropriate relationship. I rebuffed both. I am protected by my own ethics. That is all I need.

 

[redleghunter]

Whether or not the BG rule was appropriate in the deputy's case remains to be seen. It should not be used to keep from doing one's duty.

Yes I would say "the jury is still out" on that one.

 

[redleghunter]

The only reason a Billy Graham Rule is needed is if a man has problems with his character, values, judgment, self-control, or has had some past problem with his behavior.

That was not the case with Graham so why would you conclude such?

 

[seeking.IAM]

If a man is firm in his own convictions, he has no need for such a rule.

 

[Yarddog]

That was not the case with Graham so why would you conclude such?

That is true. Ministers of God are held to a higher standard and should try to stay out of situations which may give the appearance to the laity that something inappropriate is taking place.

 

[bèlla]

If a man is firm in his own convictions, he has no need for such a rule.

Exactly. I co-led an Alpha group full of men with a Christian brother. There were no issues of impropriety or need to put any rule in place. I have self-control. I don’t need to micromanage my life or others to accommodate my behavior.

 

[brinny]

If a man is firm in his own convictions, he has no need for such a rule.

What has this got to do with the OP?

 

[JohnAshton]

Live the covenant quietly and none will know.

 

[redleghunter]

If a man is firm in his own convictions, he has no need for such a rule.

Was the above a response to me? If so, then we would judge convictions based on what is inside another person's head. Did you consider that Graham was thinking of neighbor too? What would be worse for a woman who was allegedly alone with him and another woman starts rumors of an intimate relationship?

Someone may have all the convictions lined up in their head, but that does not pan out when you add others to the equation.

 

[brinny]

Was the above a response to me? If so, then we would judge convictions based on what is inside another person's head. Did you consider that Graham was thinking of neighbor too? What would be worse for a woman who was allegedly alone with him and another woman starts rumors of an intimate relationship?

Someone may have all the convictions lined up in their head, but that does not pan out when you add others to the equation.

This.

 

[Dave L]

I live by Job's rule so the BG rule might serve as a safety net. But to day, in the eyes of the world Billy would need to stay away from George Beverly Shea.....too.....

“I made a covenant with mine eyes; Why then should I think upon a maid?” Job 31:1 (KJV 1900)

 

[brinny]

I live by Job's rule so the BG rule might serve as a safety net. But to day, in the eyes of the world Billy would need to stay away from George Beverly Shea.....too.....

“I made a covenant with mine eyes; Why then should I think upon a maid?” Job 31:1 (KJV 1900)

“I made a covenant with mine eyes; Why then should I think upon a maid?” Job 31:1

i agree with this part of your post, although you lost me on the George Beverly Shea comment.

 

[Dave L]

i agree with this part of your post, although you lost me on the George Beverly Shea comment.

Today seeing two guys together is like seeing an unmarried man and a woman together in Billy's day.

 

[brinny]

Today seeing two guys together is like seeing an unmarried man and a woman together in Billy's day.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Torres also claims a colleague “failed to respond” to his call for backup at a “multi-vehicle accident in an unsafe area” because of the requested accommodation.

Punishment for violation of the "Don't rock the don't rock the boat" "rule". Some cops play so dirty...leaving others lives at risk just to make a point they had no business making to begin with

And good for the cop hope he wins. Seems to me they'd a simply honored his request, it's not like that's going to start some kind of fad...I'd guess most cops would be quite happy to be in an alone with a woman situation. Common sense did not prevail here.

 

[pescador]

Its not a matter of a situation of "if he struggles with this".. king of issue. Certain females when a man is left alone with, will cause him to be tempted. And, we are told to flee temptation. Not remained confined as in a police car. ( 2 Tim 2:22) We are also not told, if we sense temptation, to get a pre frontal lobotomy... or begin eating lots of soy products.

Some men have been blackmailed when they were not being tempted. Avoid all appearances of evil.

"Certain females when a man is left alone with, will cause him to be tempted." There is no basis for this, biblical or otherwise. Satan causes temptation, not "certain females".

 

[pescador]

Maybe this thread should investigate whether or not there were Female Officers who could have done the job of training her, I saw a picture in 2016 where there were a possible 6-8 women in uniform with that particular Sheriffs office.

Why was he singled out for this job, that is the issue.

It is not his role to set policy. He must abide by the conditions of his employment. If he is told to train another person as part of his job, he must do it or suffer the consequences for his disobedience.

 

[Paidiske]

Certain jobs would be outside of the Graham Rule, such as the police officer we have been studying.

But the great number of professions could handle it without any problem.

I'm still stuck on this. No job I've been in could have handled it without any problem. Maybe a small minority could (being out on an oil rig or something?) but most of us have to interact with a diversity of other people every day, sometimes alone, and manage it just fine.

That is true. Ministers of God are held to a higher standard and should try to stay out of situations which may give the appearance to the laity that something inappropriate is taking place.

Right. So I'm not going to visit a brothel. Meeting someone in the course of my work is not giving the appearance of something inappropriate. Sheesh.