The Billy Graham Rule Goes to Court

[RaymondG]

Are you saying YOUR Candle is bigger and brighter than mine, I would have you know I got my Candle from the Believers, Candle shop in the Kingdom, and they are guaranteed to be of the best quality and of the highest lumens available anywhere.

Im saying that even the darkness you are trying to point out in my words now.....I do not see it. You arent saying anything positive or negative right now....just speaking what you believe is right.... for which, I find no fault.

If you need one to disagree with...you will have to find another.

 

[JIMINZ]

Im saying that even the darkness you are trying to point out in my words now.....I do not see it. You arent saying anything positive or negative right now....just speaking what you believe is right.... for which, I find no fault.

If you need one to disagree with...you will have to find another.

You see we can communicate, and agree can't we?

 

[redleghunter]

Spoken as if you have a problem with women.

Not at all. Basic observation.

 

[GenemZ]

Its not a matter of a situation of "if he struggles with this".. king of issue. Certain females when a man is left alone with, will cause him to be tempted. And, we are told to flee temptation. Not remained confined as in a police car. ( 2 Tim 2:22) We are also not told, if we sense temptation, to get a pre frontal lobotomy... or begin eating lots of soy products.

Some men have been blackmailed when they were not being tempted. Avoid all appearances of evil.

 

[GenemZ]

Jesus was alone with the woman at the well in John 4.

Alone? Really? Then how did we get a first hand account from John?

 

[Yarddog]

Not at all. Basic observation.

No, that is a problem with women but most who do can't recognize it because they think they're right. This thread was about the Billy Graham rule not what you have been writing about.

Men and women have been working side by side for years, with only a small percentage resulting in the appearance of inappropriate behavior but because we hear about it on the news or in rumor mills we blow it out of proportion.

I seen plenty of guys who can't separate a friend relationship from a sexual one. I feel sorry for those guys because that can mess their lives up but men and women can work and play together, as friends, with no expectations of benefits.

 

[GenemZ]

Men and women have been working side by side for years, with only a small percentage resulting in the appearance of inappropriate behavior but because we hear about it on the news or in rumor mills we blow it out of proportion.

You soon forget? We do not wrestle against flesh and blood. But, against spiritual powers of darkness.

When I was in Bible college, and when attending a few churches.... females can be a part of a problem that Billy Graham was painfully aware of.

Besides ... some men suffer from low libido, etc. They should back out of judging in these matters.

Joseph with Potifar's wife is a fine example of a man with noble desires needing to avoid such an arrangement.

 

[Yarddog]

You soon forget? We do not wrestle against flesh and blood. But, against spiritual powers of darkness.

I didn't forget anything. I said something about that in my first post.

When I was in Bible college, and when attending a few churches.... females can be a part of a problem that Billy Graham was painfully aware of.

They can be but no more than men. Women aren't the problem in spiritually weak men. The men are.

Besides ... some men suffer from low libido, etc. They should back out of judging in these matters.

What does that have to do with this???
We should never blame women for spiritually weak men.

 

[Paidiske]

If you are in the manager's office, leave the door open, whether at work or church or wherever.

Which might work, if that were all it ever was. But - okay, my current job is unusual. Let me go back to my first job, which was retail. Am I going to say to the boss, sorry, I won't go help unpack stock in the storeroom with John? Or I won't be the first staff member in with you in the morning, or finishing at night? Or in an office, sorry, I won't work back to get these numbers crunched with Greg? And so on.

I mean, this is just normal. It's everyday life in all sorts of jobs. The idea that you can be in a workplace and never be alone with a person of the opposite sex strikes me as completely divorced from reality.

I have worked office jobs, church jobs, labor jobs, etc. and managed to do it without too much trouble. And I rarely found the need to even explain that was my intent.

I honestly don't know how that is possible. Are you just not working around women much?

I mean, my recent exercise of tracking this for a month showed me how much I would be totally hobbled if I tried to work that way; and in a workplace, expecting your employer to put up with that level of being hobbled doesn't seem reasonable to me.

(Side note on Joseph and Potiphar's wife; maybe if she'd been allowed meaningful employment, she wouldn't have been bored and looking for mischief. Just a thought!)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Alone? Really? Then how did we get a first hand account from John?

That's what the text says.

7 "There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)"
(John 4:7-8).

So how?

Well, how did Moses know about the story of Adam and Eve?
Surely he was not there to record such a story.
So logic dictates that God told him to write the story down.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Its not a matter of a situation of "if he struggles with this".. king of issue. Certain females when a man is left alone with, will cause him to be tempted. And, we are told to flee temptation. Not remained confined as in a police car. ( 2 Tim 2:22) We are also not told, if we sense temptation, to get a pre frontal lobotomy... or begin eating lots of soy products.

Some men have been blackmailed when they were not being tempted. Avoid all appearances of evil.

But what if he is not even attracted to them. Sometimes certain women are just not attractive to certain men. There are things that can turn a guy off that they may do. Also, what of those officers who had female partners who did not have any trouble before? What of all the occurences of men working with women alone and nothing happened? What about Uber or Lyft? What if the driver is a woman? Should a man cancel his ride because it is a woman?

 

[JIMINZ]

(Side note on Joseph and Potiphar's wife; maybe if she'd been allowed meaningful employment, she wouldn't have been bored and looking for mischief. Just a thought!)

Yeah sounds like what a woman would do, I'm bored, I think I will get someone into trouble.

The issue is, there is a Police man who would be expected to be Alone in a Car for up to 8hrs. a day for who knows how long, the issue is not that he is of a weak moral fiber, and would molest her, it.s that others would think and all you have to do is look at most of the comments here, others would think or believe that he is having an affair with her.

Then there is her saying something happened, (it does happen you know)
when there hasn't been anything at all out of training take place, Would he be believed, I don't think so.

Therefore in his case the Rule is a good Idea.
The issue does not equate to any of the other circumstances spoken about, unless you would be expected to be in the bosses office for 8 Hrs. a day infinitum.

 

[brinny]

That's what the text says.

7 "There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)"
(John 4:7-8).

So how?

Well, how did Moses know about the story of Adam and Eve?
Surely he was not there to record such a story.
So logic dictates that God told him to write the story down.

This was a public place.

 

[Paidiske]

No, the issue is whether he has a right to refuse to do his job because this is a religious requirement. As opposed to a wise general policy or a personal preference.

 

[JIMINZ]

Alone? Really? Then how did we get a first hand account from John?

The entire Bible was inspired of God, therefore God gave him the pertinent knowledge in order for him to record the event correctly and in detail, that's how.

Moses wrote about Adam and Eve and what happened in the Garden, then he recorded the events leading up to the Flood with Noah and his family and the animals, Moses wasn't there how did he know these things, or are all these things just made up fables.

 

[GenemZ]

I didn't forget anything. I said something about that in my first post.

They can be but no more than men. Women aren't the problem in spiritually weak men. The men are.

What does that have to do with this???
We should never blame women for spiritually weak men.

Its about the ones who will be a problem. Not all...

Spiritually strong men can be tempted. They do not give in to the temptation. Being on a job that requires all of one's concentration should not have such distractions.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This was a public place.

Yes, they were in a public place alone. Nobody in the public area was a part of their conversation, etc. I don't see how that changes anything. Granted, I am not saying that a Christian should jump at the chance to be around the opposite sex alone. They surely need to be ready for such a thing spiritually. They need to be spiritually strong to be able to do that. If they are in no way remotely attracted to the other person of the opposite sex, then that would be different. Meaning, there is absolutely 0% attraction. For example: Some Christian men find women who smoke as a big turn off (Especially if they are smoking around them). If a woman is a constant complainer or overly judgmental, this can also be a turn off to certain men, as well.

 

[GenemZ]

The entire Bible was inspired of God, therefore God gave him the pertinent knowledge in order for him to record the event correctly and in detail, that's how.

Moses wrote about Adam and Eve and what happened in the Garden, then he recorded the events leading up to the Flood with Noah and his family and the animals, Moses wasn't there how did he know these things, or are all these things just made up fables.

Jesus was without a sin nature.... Temptations for him were not the same thing as someone having a problem of lust that he is struggling to overcome.

 

[bèlla]

I think anyone taking a position as a policeman knows what to expect. It isn’t as if they sprung this on him and he wasn’t aware his job required long periods in a car with a partner. Training is part of the description or would fall under other duties as assigned.

The simple truth is he needs a different job. Preferably one with limited contact with the opposite sex. Maybe something in a male prison instead.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

John was there and witnessed to what happened. John also mentions when Jesus did remove himself to a private location.

There is no mention that John was there recording the event. He said the disciples went into the city to buy meat. John would be included among them because John was a disciple.