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Im a British Christian involved in the Hillsong church here in London. I’m politically active because I don’t think you can be a Christian and not take part and highlight issues.

Seeing the evangelical church support Trump has been a constant painful experience as non Christian friends simply cannot comphrehend why Christians would support such an individual who is clearly not Christian.

Due to the influence of the us on the world and trumps policies which are damaging international issues such as climate change I feel we as a church should be doing what we can to question the leaders in the us who support trump and bring about change within our church.

I’d love to hear from Christians who support trump and what your bible based reasoning is, and those who feel action needs to be taken and how we can do that responsibly and with love. Criticising and telling church leaders they are wrong is a difficult concept but has its precedence in the New Testament when many churches went off the tracks.

We must live by the standards of Jesus. If you truly ask yourself if Jesus would act like Trump the answer can only be a clear no.

This is not a discussion to throw hatred but to find out what is driving Christian trump supporters and how we as a church can act to make change
 

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Im a British Christian involved in the Hillsong church here in London.
I’m politically active because I don’t think you can be a Christian and not take part and highlight issues.

We are confident that is not a prerequisite.
But you are allowed your personal choices.
 
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I’d love to hear from Christians who support trump and what your bible based reasoning is...

Local government is the working of the Fathers will on earth.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Peter 2
13 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Titus 3
1 Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

John 19
10 So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.

Psalms 22
28 For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.

Proverbs 21
1 The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.

1 Timothy 2
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

Daniel 2
21 He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;

Deuteronomy 16
18 “You shall appoint judges and officers in all your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. You shall not pervert justice. You shall not show partiality, and you shall not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and subverts the cause of the righteous. Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

Proverbs 8
15 By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just;
 
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Im a British Christian involved in the Hillsong church here in London. I’m politically active because I don’t think you can be a Christian and not take part and highlight issues.

Seeing the evangelical church support Trump has been a constant painful experience as non Christian friends simply cannot comphrehend why Christians would support such an individual who is clearly not Christian.

Due to the influence of the us on the world and trumps policies which are damaging international issues such as climate change I feel we as a church should be doing what we can to question the leaders in the us who support trump and bring about change within our church.

I’d love to hear from Christians who support trump and what your bible based reasoning is, and those who feel action needs to be taken and how we can do that responsibly and with love. Criticising and telling church leaders they are wrong is a difficult concept but has its precedence in the New Testament when many churches went off the tracks.

We must live by the standards of Jesus. If you truly ask yourself if Jesus would act like Trump the answer can only be a clear no.

This is not a discussion to throw hatred but to find out what is driving Christian trump supporters and how we as a church can act to make change

Good luck with that. You'll be infinitely surprised at the opinions and justifications of those falling over to justify Trump's character and behaviour despite the fact that everything about his being is contrary to Christian conduct and belief.

Hope you're prepared for the can of conservative worms you've opened.
 
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I voted for Trump for the changes he said he would make. The country has become corrupt and morals are in the gutter. Killing babies, the gays have more rights than we do. I have never defended Trump and his morals that's his personal life, what business is that of mine. He does more damage to himself than any of us could with his words and actions but I only care how he runs the country. His personal life is no different than most in the past. The country is a mess because the Dems have been in office to long and let the country run amuck. I wanted someone that was not a politician and we got one. He says he is a Christian. Since it is not for me to say or judge. I am a firm believer that God is in control. He wouldn't be in office if it wasn't in Gods plan. We haven't had anyone in office that was honorable and decent since the Kennedy's. And I think more of them because of their care for the people and the country barring Johns fall from grace. I personally don't excuse Trump for anything. I am only interested in the good he might do for the country. And don't forget we are to stand behind our leaders. If you believe God is in control then you should be behind the choice we made Its all in his plan. The argument from the other side is he hasn't done anything. Really, if he has not it is no thanks to the dems blocking his every move.
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Im a British Christian involved in the Hillsong church here in London. I’m politically active because I don’t think you can be a Christian and not take part and highlight issues.

Seeing the evangelical church support Trump has been a constant painful experience as non Christian friends simply cannot comphrehend why Christians would support such an individual who is clearly not Christian.

Due to the influence of the us on the world and trumps policies which are damaging international issues such as climate change I feel we as a church should be doing what we can to question the leaders in the us who support trump and bring about change within our church.

I’d love to hear from Christians who support trump and what your bible based reasoning is, and those who feel action needs to be taken and how we can do that responsibly and with love. Criticising and telling church leaders they are wrong is a difficult concept but has its precedence in the New Testament when many churches went off the tracks.

We must live by the standards of Jesus. If you truly ask yourself if Jesus would act like Trump the answer can only be a clear no.

This is not a discussion to throw hatred but to find out what is driving Christian trump supporters and how we as a church can act to make change
Although it goes against my usual principles to justify American politics to a foreigner, I’ll make an exception in this case because some interesting discussion might come from it.

Ultimately, I think American Christians see things like same-sex unions becoming policy by the judiciary and transgender bathrooms coming seemingly out of nowhere and regard those things and similar issues as long term threats to their freedom.

Lest we forget, George W. Bush spent eight years in the White House and American Christians don’t have anything to show for it, policy-wise.

I think that in a lot of cases what they see in President Trump is a bodyguard who will ensure that nobody threatens them or their religious identity. Trump has addressed or is trying to address other issues they’ve been demanding for decades.

The realization that American Christians seem to have made is that it’s pointless trying to elect one of their own to the Presidency. So, in the absence of any meaningful alternative, they’ll look to a pseudo-strongman for help.

The thing that everyone should note is that these voters see no reason to change their opinions. If anything, it’s reasonable to assume that more of them support President Trump now than did back in 2016. They see now that victory is possible and the implementation of their policy preferences can happen if they vote for the right candidate. The genie is out of the bottle now.

Anybody who thinks they won’t turn out in droves for President Trump in 2020 is lost in wishful thinking.
 
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Local government is the working of the Fathers will on earth.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Peter 2
13 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Titus 3
1 Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

John 19
10 So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.

Psalms 22
28 For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.

Proverbs 21
1 The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.

1 Timothy 2
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

Daniel 2
21 He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;

Deuteronomy 16
18 “You shall appoint judges and officers in all your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. You shall not pervert justice. You shall not show partiality, and you shall not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and subverts the cause of the righteous. Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

Proverbs 8
15 By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just;


Let's look at what the bible says about evil leadership:

1 Timothy 3:1-5 ESV / 204 helpful votes
The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?

- Does Trump match what Timothy said? - not a lover of money? the husband of one wife? not quarrelsome?

2 Timothy 2:24 ESV / 121 helpful votes
And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

- Just because someone is in power doesn't mean they're good and should not be resisted - should we have let Hitler continue as he was appointed by god? Pol Pot, Stalin?

2 Chronicles 36:11-14 ESV / 34 helpful votes
Zedekiah was twenty-one years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. He did what was evil in the sight of the Lordhis God. He did not humble himself before Jeremiah the prophet, who spoke from the mouth of the Lord. He also rebelled against King Nebuchadnezzar, who had made him swear by God. He stiffened his neck and hardened his heart against turning to the Lord, the God of Israel. All the officers of the priests and the people likewise were exceedingly unfaithful, following all the abominations of the nations. And they polluted the house of the Lord that he had made holy in Jerusalem.

- It's possible for leaders to rebel against God, the world looks on and sees Christian churches supporting a man who 'grabs them by the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]', who abuses his position to enrich his family, who is racist and abusive to women, who is so bad at paying people he is in hundreds of court cases for unpaid business invoices. I could find bible quotes reminding you how wrong each of those are...

So what is it really about supporting Trump? Is it because the American church believes he's prophesied to do something great? Is it because he's the only one standing up for a few things the church wants done? If so that doesn't make it right to support him, instead you elect someone who is right and just to do that.

James 3:16 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.

- The Church through it's support of Trump is encouraging an atmosphere of racism, sexism...

Acts 20:28-31 ESV / 3 helpful votes
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish everyone with tears.

- In Acts we see the church being admonished for letting people arise speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after them.

1 John 2:15-17 ESV / 1 helpful vote
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

- Trump loves the world, he loves women, he loves money, and loves himself. I would be so bold to suggest that the Father is not in him. So what are you supporting and why? I'd really like to understand what's beyond the support for an immoral leader aside from the verses which say you should support a leader (which assumes they are good)

- There are warnings about this:

Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood" (Acts 20:28).

..set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity," reminding him to "keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers" (1 Timothy 4:12, 16).

Ephesians 5:11 “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.”
- it's important we expose the works of darkness in our world.

I could go on but there's plenty of verses here about how much god hates injustice 46 Bible verses about Injustice, Hated By God

So whilst the Bible says to support leaders, it surely assumes these are wise and good leaders. The bible also teaches us to expose those in darkness, to watch that our leaders are not leading the flock astray. We're not created as amazing intelligent beings to blindly follow any leader - as in previous wars we've had to fight to tear down evil regimes it's the same at home as abroad.

So my question is whether church leaders around the world (in and outside the US) should be holding the American church leaders to account who are supporting Trump and discussing the issue. Perhaps they are behind closed doors but Paul would openly write to criticise churches who led their people astray.
 
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Im a British Christian involved in the Hillsong church here in London. I’m politically active because I don’t think you can be a Christian and not take part and highlight issues.

Seeing the evangelical church support Trump has been a constant painful experience as non Christian friends simply cannot comphrehend why Christians would support such an individual who is clearly not Christian.

I'm not in favor of churches getting political at all, but since many do, here's the point. It is not uncommon--nor unreasonable--when churches support some political figure because his policies are good. And that is the case with President Trump.

He has worked to promote the anti-abortion and anti-infanticide movement and he has taken steps to reassert the Constitutional right to freedom of religion (which had been seriously eroded in the years before he became president).

It isn't all about him being a Christian personally, nor was it that during the administrations of earlier presidents.
 
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A wolf in sheeps clothing can act like a sheep but be steering the sheep away from the flock.

Just because a leader does 'some' things you want doesn't make them a good leader. Again I'll post Timothy's words

1 Timothy 3:1-5
The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?

It doesn't say... it's okay for him to be all these things as long as he delivers what we want.
 
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I am interested to hear them and will give you my opinions - this is still a discussion not an argument. I'm interested in the justifications you have and whether there's a bigger picture at work. It seems to be, if I'm right, that you'll ignore the sins of Trump because he's politically delivering the solutions you've been hoping a president would.

How do you justify ignoring those sins since the bible, at least to me, appears to suggest a leader like this should be above reproach. In the bible are there quotes that say you can ignore a leaders personal life?

Trump is making it 'ok' for the wider public to act in ungodly ways - to be racist, to be sexist, to be abusive to others. Does that not undo the good he's supposedly doing for Christian hopes in politics?
 
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I am interested to hear them and will give you my opinions - this is still a discussion not an argument.
Perhaps I should have worded that differently, then. I had not seen much account being taken of what we told you when we gave it in reply to your own request. If discussion is wanted, it would seem that some effort at discussing would be in order.
 
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I am interested to hear them and will give you my opinions - this is still a discussion not an argument. I'm interested in the justifications you have and whether there's a bigger picture at work. It seems to be, if I'm right, that you'll ignore the sins of Trump because he's politically delivering the solutions you've been hoping a president would.

How do you justify ignoring those sins since the bible, at least to me, appears to suggest a leader like this should be above reproach. In the bible are there quotes that say you can ignore a leaders personal life?

Trump is making it 'ok' for the wider public to act in ungodly ways - to be racist, to be sexist, to be abusive to others. Does that not undo the good he's supposedly doing for Christian hopes in politics?

I'm going to agree with Albion on this one.

I spend a career in military intelligence. Part of that job was interrogating informants of a viewpoint that we did not share.

One thing we learned: Do not argue with an informant. The point is to get information, not to change his mind. Ask leading questions to get more information, but do not argue.
 
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I'm interested in the justifications you have and whether there's a bigger picture at work. It seems to be, if I'm right, that you'll ignore the sins of Trump because he's politically delivering the solutions you've been hoping a president would.
First, you didn't ask about my own thinking as regards supporting Trump or not supporting him. Therefore I gave you what I think accounts for conservative churches supporting him.

Second, I explained that this owes not to how he matches up to some ideal as a devout Christian himself but is more about certain policies that are important to them.
 
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Trump is making it 'ok' for the wider public to act in ungodly ways - to be racist, to be sexist, to be abusive to others. Does that not undo the good he's supposedly doing for Christian hopes in politics?
IF he were doing that, maybe so.
 
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A wolf in sheeps clothing can act like a sheep but be steering the sheep away from the flock.

Just because a leader does 'some' things you want doesn't make them a good leader. Again I'll post Timothy's words

1 Timothy 3:1-5
The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?

It doesn't say... it's okay for him to be all these things as long as he delivers what we want.
Unfortunately, context matters. The context of I Timothy 3 is in relation to men aspiring to serve in the church. This passage is simply not applicable to public office. Now, I'm not saying there aren't good things in this passage, and it would be great if leaders in public office also met these qualifications. But you can't use this passage as a Biblical text suggesting that a person aspiring to public office is not qualified. It's not what Paul is talking about, so I would recommend not twisting it again to suit your position.

For the vast vast majority of Americans who voted for Trump, they didn't actually vote for Trump because they wanted him as President. They voted for Trump because they didn't want Hillary to be President. The alternative matters.
 
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So do you think 'most' churches are supporting him because of the desire to see those policies enacted?

I'll amend my language that he's allegedly creating an atmosphere that encourages unglodly behaviour. However if you look up to the president, are you not encouraged to think and act like him? Would you agree he acts in an ungodly way?

The thing is we're finding it hard to understand a christian's desire to see the political action at the cost of anything. When anything might allegedly be worse than the political action achieved? THat's our viewpoint of course and obviously not yours.

So how about discussing this logic - please bear with me.

- If the leaders placed in power are appointed by god, it means previous ones were too yes? If not how do you know if this one is put in place by god? If all leaders are put in place by god then the laws they enact are put in place by god so why oppose them? That includes laws on equality, abortion etc that you want Trump to change.

By arguing that you need Trump to change these rules you're saying that rules enacted by previously god appointed rules were wrong.

By following this logic would you agree it's entirely 'possible' that what Trump is doing might also be wrong?

We're talking logically here not about specific cases.
 
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It's the height of hypocrisy.

Evangelical Christians were quick to jump on the Judgemental Bandwagon concerning Bill Clinton's history of philandering (before he became president), yet when it comes to Trump, one of the typical answers is "that's his personal life, what business is that of mine."
 
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So do you think 'most' churches are supporting him because of the desire to see those policies enacted?
I think that most of the churches that are supporting him hold those issues to be of great importance to them, yes. And they are moral issues, not just something political, you know.

I'll amend my language that he's allegedly creating an atmosphere that encourages unglodly behaviour. However if you look up to the president, are you not encouraged to think and act like him?

That's an ideal, to be sure; but you are simply dealing in this case with churches wanting X policies rather than Y policies and supporting the only politician who has come through for them on those matters.

The thing is we're finding it hard to understand a christian's desire to see the political action at the cost of anything.

At the cost of anything? Now really. That is not only a poison pill thrown into this discussion but is lacking anything tangible.

If the leaders placed in power are appointed by god, it means previous ones were too yes? If not how do you know if this one is put in place by god? If all leaders are put in place by god then the laws they enact are put in place by god so why oppose them? That includes laws on equality, abortion etc that you want Trump to change.
That's one way of looking at it, I know. However, I don't take that approach and I don't know that the churches we have been discussing do either.
 
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Let's look at what the bible says about evil leadership:

1 Timothy 3:1-5 ESV / 204 helpful votes
The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?

- Does Trump match what Timothy said? - not a lover of money? the husband of one wife? not quarrelsome?

2 Timothy 2:24 ESV / 121 helpful votes
And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

- Just because someone is in power doesn't mean they're good and should not be resisted - should we have let Hitler continue as he was appointed by god? Pol Pot, Stalin?

2 Chronicles 36:11-14 ESV / 34 helpful votes
Zedekiah was twenty-one years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. He did what was evil in the sight of the Lordhis God. He did not humble himself before Jeremiah the prophet, who spoke from the mouth of the Lord. He also rebelled against King Nebuchadnezzar, who had made him swear by God. He stiffened his neck and hardened his heart against turning to the Lord, the God of Israel. All the officers of the priests and the people likewise were exceedingly unfaithful, following all the abominations of the nations. And they polluted the house of the Lord that he had made holy in Jerusalem.

- It's possible for leaders to rebel against God, the world looks on and sees Christian churches supporting a man who 'grabs them by the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]', who abuses his position to enrich his family, who is racist and abusive to women, who is so bad at paying people he is in hundreds of court cases for unpaid business invoices. I could find bible quotes reminding you how wrong each of those are...

So what is it really about supporting Trump? Is it because the American church believes he's prophesied to do something great? Is it because he's the only one standing up for a few things the church wants done? If so that doesn't make it right to support him, instead you elect someone who is right and just to do that.

James 3:16 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.

- The Church through it's support of Trump is encouraging an atmosphere of racism, sexism...

Acts 20:28-31 ESV / 3 helpful votes
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish everyone with tears.

- In Acts we see the church being admonished for letting people arise speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after them.

1 John 2:15-17 ESV / 1 helpful vote
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

- Trump loves the world, he loves women, he loves money, and loves himself. I would be so bold to suggest that the Father is not in him. So what are you supporting and why? I'd really like to understand what's beyond the support for an immoral leader aside from the verses which say you should support a leader (which assumes they are good)

- There are warnings about this:

Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood" (Acts 20:28).

..set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity," reminding him to "keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers" (1 Timothy 4:12, 16).

Ephesians 5:11 “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.”
- it's important we expose the works of darkness in our world.

I could go on but there's plenty of verses here about how much god hates injustice 46 Bible verses about Injustice, Hated By God

So whilst the Bible says to support leaders, it surely assumes these are wise and good leaders. The bible also teaches us to expose those in darkness, to watch that our leaders are not leading the flock astray. We're not created as amazing intelligent beings to blindly follow any leader - as in previous wars we've had to fight to tear down evil regimes it's the same at home as abroad.

So my question is whether church leaders around the world (in and outside the US) should be holding the American church leaders to account who are supporting Trump and discussing the issue. Perhaps they are behind closed doors but Paul would openly write to criticise churches who led their people astray.


All those passages are directed to an individuals self-conduct.
Not your judgment of others self conduct or about evil government at all.
Thanks for considering it though.
 
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