catholics, i am a protestant, i want to hear you

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What do you mean no one created and wrote it? It has been modified several times, and was decided and written by the Bishops of the council under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure what you are trying to imply.

From what I understand, it was taken from the Bible or God's word. He would be the author. As for the when one stopped and the other began, I do not know because of the creed disagreements. They had the full Bible, just like we have the full Bible, but there still isn't any agreement. The important part is for one to decide for themselves what they believe.
 
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Just as a casual observer at this point but it seems this thread has morphed, maybe into a free for all.
Nobody could've predicted that.
 
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I brought up the filioque, James Bond, because I backed off in another thread that was in OBOB on the subject of why Catholics say THEY are "the one true church" when Orthodox have just as much right to say that. But in this thread, in a. Forum that is not Catholic per se, I want to pursue this.

I would like something of more depth than a simple "but Catholics are right" - Sheesh.

I don't know why ME bringing up filioque somehow "interrupted" your discussion with thecolorsblend.

I do not think it can be disputed that filioque was ADDED LATER to Nicene Creed.
 
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i don't know why you do(or believe) these things, i would like to know how do you feel doing these works, and if you feel nearer to god working like this.

#purgatory
#rosary
#transubstantiation (the conversion of the substance of the Eucharistic elements into the body and blood of Christ at consecration, only the appearances of bread and wine still remaining)
#mary and the saints as mediators between god and me.
#baptism since child
#penance for sins
#pope vicar of christ, infallibility of the pope
#sacraments:
>initiation
baptism
confirmation
eucharit
restored order of initiation
>sacraments of healing
penance and reconciliation
anointing of the sick
>sacraments of service
holy orders
matrimony
#demonic possessions
#apocryphal books
#sign of the cross

...And this is why I don't come here anymore.
 
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Honestly, why the nosey questions anyways? Why not just mind one's own business and leave others alone in regards to their faith?

...Or is it an obligation to "fix" other people's religious beliefs? Seriously, I don't get it.
 
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I would like something of more depth than a simple "but Catholics are right" - Sheesh.

Of course sometimes the Catholics are right. Unfortunately they are not always good at accepting the fact that their beliefs do not always center around the Bible.
 
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Of course sometimes the Catholics are right. Unfortunately they are not always good at accepting the fact that their beliefs do not always center around the Bible.
That's an excellent point, and true. Catholic beliefs and practices center around what is Apostolic. Not solely around Scripture.

To understand what is Apostolic, beyond what is recorded in Scripture, we have to look at the Early Church Fathers.
 
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Honestly, why the nosey questions anyways? Why not just mind one's own business and leave others alone in regards to their faith?

Or is it an obligation to "fix" other people's religious beliefs? Seriously, I don't get it.

We are called to evangelize in hopes others will change their minds about Jesus, so there is an obligation.
 
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That's an excellent point, and true. Catholic beliefs and practices center around what is Apostolic. Not solely around Scripture.

To understand what is Apostolic, beyond what is recorded in Scripture, we have to look at the Early Church Fathers.
And Ecumenical Councils, Papal decrees, the writings and works of Saints, Liturgy, and prayer, over the centuries.

For Catholic Christians, this, too, is inspired and a part of our Christian faith, and history.
 
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We are called to evangelize in hopes others will change their minds about Jesus, so there is an obligation.

You do realize how condescending that is though, right? To say that what you think is 'better' than what someone else thinks...

How can that be any kind of "good"..?
 
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You do realize how condescending that is though, right? To say that what you think is 'better' than what someone else thinks...

How can that be any kind of good?

This is a totally different topic for another thread, but evangelism is not bragging. It is teaching.
 
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Let God guide you to the right church. Don't try to be Catholic if He has other ideas.

Keep learning and asking, Cats. God be with you.

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This is a totally different topic for another thread, but evangelism is not bragging. It is teaching.

No, it fits here just fine, actually. Proselytization is more of a recruitment method, not much different than what gangs do, on the lower end of the moral spectrum. This is just a more civilized form of the same worldly notion.

You see, one can't "Evangelize" someone who is already a believer. Let's not fool ourselves. What's going on in this thread, addressing Catholics, is "proselytizing". And it's condescending, as Jesus never said anywhere in the bible that certain Christian's had any obligation to bother other Christians with scriptural or ecclesiastical discrepancies.

...This is an issue of pride.
 
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