God loves everyone?
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Thank you, I believe the Holy Spirit, aka “the helper” as Jesus referred to Him, helps us to believe but the Holy Spirit has never taken away our ability to disobey or even reject God. Even after being born again we can still fail to adhere to the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I’ve said this many times here on CF, the Holy Spirit is like a compass always pointing the way to God. He does not steer the boat. If we fall asleep at the wheel we may wake to find ourself way off course or maybe worse, shipwrecked. It takes effort on our part in cooperation with His guidance to receive salvation. This is what the church has always taught since the very beginning of Christianity. It’s easy to see in even the earliest church writings.
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Then basically we are nothing but remote controlled humans. God chooses who will believe and the Holy Spirit takes control over us and we have no say in whether or not we believe or whether or not we will obey. That’s what your saying.
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Like I said before what’s the point of telling anyone to believe or spreading the gospel if no one has any say in whether or not they will believe or repent? It’s completely pointless if God controls these things.
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Jesus said without Him we can do nothing. Your saying with Him we still can do nothing it’s all God doing everything.
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It contradicts the scriptures. What’s the point of all the warning to believers about living a sinful way of life if they are incapable of doing so? If the Holy Spirit actually controlled believers they would never sin. If God wanted to make us obedient robots then there’s no need for this world at all. He could’ve just made us obedient in heaven. The point of this world is to cultivate sentient beings to choose of their own free will to love God so that God can have a genuine relationship with us as His children. Love can’t be genuine if it’s not given by free will. That’s the whole reason we’re here in this world.
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It really cracks me up when people throw out the old strawman accusation and act like they’ve said something meaningful. Nice defense there. And I really like how you addressed none of the points I made.
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I’m just tired of these false arguments. I’ve been doing this for awhile, and sometimes I just burn out.It really cracks me up when people throw out the old strawman accusation and act like they’ve said something meaningful. Nice defense there. And I really like how you addressed none of the points I made.
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