God loves everyone?

[DamianWarS]

Did Jesus love his enemies?

A Lutheran friend put it quite nicely. "God loves and hates everyone. He hates us for the sinful nature, but loves us because of the cross of Jesus."

He tells us to love our enemies.

 

[DamianWarS]

You forgot about those He abhors.

Abhor is implicit in the those that do iniquity. God can only do the extremes, either he fully loves, or he fully hates. There is no middle zone.

 

[zoidar]

He tells us to love our enemies.

Is he telling us to do something he isn't doing himself?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Calvinism is a failed doctrine, but no, God does not love everyone. He potentially makes his love available to everyone, but as it plays out, not all receive it. For God so loved the world is saying God loves mankind. I have an apple tree in my yard. I love apples. It is my will that all the apples are perfect. It doesn't happen. Many apples there I have no interest or affection for at all. They are of no regard to me. Yet if you ask me if I love apples I will say yes and I will be telling the truth.

Your simultude is only a good simultude if your God and have the power to make what you will happen.

As it stands, you have just described a powerless wanna be god.. not God.

Philippians 2:13

"for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."

 

[DamianWarS]

Is he telling us to do something he isn't doing himself?

my enemy is one who is against me. God's enemy is one who is against God. I suspect the latter is immensely more important than our childish spats between each other. In the end, everything with God is polarized, either he fully loves or fully hates. Those who are against him would fall into the hate category.

 

[section9+1]

Can you post scripture that God is talking about mankind and not everyone? Thanks

Scripture tells us God does not love everyone. It tells us he has contempt and despises some. The contempt is because of what they do and believe not just because they are humans. Humanity as a whole entity can be universally loved, but not individually. Our connection or lack of it with God determines our standing with him. Christ said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel. He said it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs. Anyone can turn and become a lost sheep so salvation and love is universally available to them, but not all become lost sheep and if they don't they remain dogs, wolves, swine, serpents and have no need of a shepherd. And Christ came only for the sheep. Read the verses that stress love toward us and our love for others. It is Christian to Christian. Even 1Cor. 13 is between Christians. It says love keeps no record of wrongs. Yet scripture says God keep a record of sins of all who are not his for his vengeance.

 

[section9+1]

Your simultude is only a good simultude if your God and have the power to make what you will happen.

As it stands, you have just described a powerless wanna be god.. not God.

Philippians 2:13

"for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."

Rewrite that a little clearer next time.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Rewrite that a little clearer next time.

That's pretty clear to me, I can't imagine it being any more clear..

what do you not understand?

 

[renniks]

You think it’s owed. You think it would make God unjust to save one and not the other.

I'm so glad God has given you the ability to know what I think. God does save one and not the other, but that's because he set in place a condition for salvation, namely faith. God could choose any condition he liked, or none at all, being the Supreme Being, that is his prerogative. However, to be faithful to the Word, salvation is by grace through faith. Faith would be irrelevant if God was merely choosing people in advance for salvation. It is irrelevant, if God is just implanting faith in some irresistibly and implanting rebellion in others, which is what you have with double predestination. It's simply not Biblical.

 

[section9+1]

That's pretty clear to me, I can't imagine it being any more clear..

what do you not understand?

Maybe you mean "your" should be "you're"? And "similitudes" are just examples to get an idea across. God has willed it to be this way so I don't see any powerless God.

 

[section9+1]

Is he telling us to do something he isn't doing himself?

All the time.

 

[bling]

Here is an interesting verse on this topic and some explainations by commentaries. As it is written and forever remains written, “d]'>[d]Jacob I loved (chose, protected, blessed), but e]'>[e]Esau I hated (held in disregard compared to Jacob).” Romans 9:13 amplified
Esau I have hated (v. 13):

This does not mean God did not love Esau. Rather, God foresaw the wickedness Esau would choose and hated it. Likewise, God foresaw Jacob's faith and obedience and knew Jacob would serve His purposes.


Orthodox Study Bible

Copyright © 2008 by St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology.

Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated. Quoted from Mal. 1:2, 3. Actual emotional hatred for Esau and his offspring is not the point here. Malachi, who wrote this declaration more than 1,500 years after their death, was looking back at these two men—and by extension the nations (Israel and Edom) that came from their loins. God chose one for divine blessing and protection, and the other He left to divine judgment.


NKJV MacArthur Study Bible

Loved . . . hated (Gen. 25:23; Mal. 1:2, 3) are not matters of emotion; they are matters of the Father’s will. In the papyri (ancient secular writings dating to biblical times), the expressions “loved” and “hated” are used of a man who could afford to adopt only one of two twin orphaned boys. He was said to have “loved” the one he adopted and “hated” the one he did not adopt. Here all that is signified is that Jacob was blessed and Esau was not.


King James Study Bible Notes


hated: Actually God made provision for Esau (see Gen. 27:39; 36; Deut. 23:7). Hated is an idiom where the opposite is used to express a lesser degree. For example, Gen. 29:30 says Jacob loved Rachel more than Leah, but the next verse (literally translated) says that Leah was hated. What Paul is saying is that Esau was not the object of God’s electing purpose.


NKJV Study Bible

Copyright ©1997, 2007 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

I like your presentation, but do not know what you mean by "not the object of God’s electing purpose", just because God could work with the disposition of Jacob but could not work with the disposition of Esau from birth, does not mean Esau is hell bound and Jacob is not. Could Esau be in heaven today?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Maybe you mean "your" should be "you're"? And "similitudes" are just examples to get an idea across. God has willed it to be this way so I don't see any powerless God.

I'm fairly certain that my sentence could be easily understood even with your, instead of you're.

Being a grammar Nazi only makes you appear as a snob who finds himself better than the plebs your find yourself surrounded with.

Was that your intent? Are you above treating me as your sister in Christ?

Does pointing out the error of one word a thing that makes you feel more worthy? Give you a sense of self worth that you wouldn't otherwise have?

 

[section9+1]

Understanding 3rd grade English does not make a grammar Nazi. If you cannot communicate at the 3rd grade level you damage your credibility.

 

[bling]

Scripture tells us God does not love everyone. It tells us he has contempt and despises some. The contempt is because of what they do and believe not just because they are humans. Humanity as a whole entity can be universally loved, but not individually. Our connection or lack of it with God determines our standing with him. Christ said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel. He said it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs. Anyone can turn and become a lost sheep so salvation and love is universally available to them, but not all become lost sheep and if they don't they remain dogs, wolves, swine, serpents and have no need of a shepherd. And Christ came only for the sheep. Read the verses that stress love toward us and our love for others. It is Christian to Christian. Even 1Cor. 13 is between Christians. It says love keeps no record of wrongs. Yet scripture says God keep a record of sins of all who are not his for his vengeance.

1 Cor. 13 describes Godly type Love which God has and every place that describes Godly type Love it is describing God's Love. We can Hate and Love someone at the same time so can God hate and Love someone at the same time? Where does it say: "God has no Love for a person?"

 

[Strong in Him]

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
— John 3:16

The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes;
You hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood;
The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
— Psalm 5:5-6

Jesus died for sinners, Romans 5:8.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Understanding 3rd grade English does not make a grammar Nazi. If you cannot communicate at the 3rd grade level you damage your credibility.

Thank you. You have clearly pointed out what you are, and I won't engage in conversation with you any further.

I'll put you on ignore. That will make life easier since I am beneath conversing with in your opinion.

 

[Strong in Him]

John 3:16 refers to mankind in general, not every individual person,

Mankind is made up of individual people.
If you are part of the world, God loves you.

If God loved every human being ever born, then all would have been saved by the blood of Jesus.

Not if they choose not to accept him and the sacrifice that he made for them.
If God didn't love every single person, then there are some people, made by God, in his image - yet he hates them.
Jesus died for sinners, Romans 5:8.
All have sinned, Romans 3:23.

 

[Strong in Him]

And besides, in His Own Word, He Clearly Describes WHO HE HATES.

In the OT, yes - but Jesus died for sinners.

 

[Mark45]

John 3:16 refers to mankind in general, not every individual person, as the context is a conversation between Jesus and a Jewish teacher about salvation.

If God loved every human being ever born, then all would have been saved by the blood of Jesus.

That’s exclusively limited atonement but God’s love is towards all men as all men are sons of Adam sons of Noah salvation is offered to Jew and Samaritan and Gentiles. Jesus revealed love that broke Jewish cultural Prejudices that existed between Jews and Samaritans & proselytes Gentiles etc he even gave a parable story about The Good Samaritan who helped a Jew and the self righteous Cohen Levite who didn’t even stop to assist because of his self obsessed righteousness and a samaritan who was seen as a outcast dog by mainstream Jewish culture. Love was the message love your Neighbour as yourself. This was carried even further to love your enemy as yourself. Yeshua, (Jesus) said on the cross Father forgive them for they know not what they do