Recent Shootings Spur Pastors to Call Out White Supremacy

[redleghunter]

To be clear, you are discouraging people from condemning racism by employing "don't judge others"ism.


Now there's a load of old toss.

I think he really meant the Gospel.

God’s plan of redemption before the foundations of the earth, the New Covenant in the Blood of Christ, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. That all who believe in Him will not perish but have eternal life.


...that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”

 

[redleghunter]

Preaching the gospel and the need for salvation is #1.
But so aiding others to a more Godly life. Pointing out that white nationalism is not showing love to all of God's creation can hinder that walk. God does love non-whites just as much.
It is the role of a pastor to teach I Cor. 13.

Yes once again hate lead to murder. We should be well aware of the anti-Christ “gospels” circulating in social media and on the internet and combat them with the Truth of Christ.

 

[redleghunter]

From the article:

“As president of @SWBTS, I want to be clear that we condemn in the strongest possible form any and all ideologies of racial/ethnic superiority/inferiority that fuel the kind of hate evidently motivating the #ElPaso shooter to commit such a horrific act of violence in our state,” tweeted Adam Greenway, president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth.

Multiple Southern Baptist leaders echoed Greenway’s remarks, and others—including leaders like Denny Burk and Andrew Walker—shared a National Review editorial that targeted white supremacy as the root cause of America’s mass shooting problem:......
​

White supremacy promotes hate - and that is a direct contrast to Christ. Pastors have the role of guiding Christians to a more Christ-like life.
I think many fall short of that.

I think many do fall short because they are not Gospel and Bible focused.

Galatians 3: NASB

26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

 

[Hammster]

lol wut? Somebody should have told Paul that. He could’ve saved himself a bunch of grief.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
— Romans 1:16-17

For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
— 1 Corinthians 2:2

But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
— Galatians 6:14

 

[FreeinChrist]

The gospel is the most important....but there is action called for too:
NASB from blueletterbible.org
Mat 25:34
¶“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mat 25:35
‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
Mat 25:36
naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
Mat 25:37
“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
Mat 25:38
‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
Mat 25:39
‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
Mat 25:40
“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

Eph 4:25¶
Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONEof you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another.
Eph 4:26
BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger,
Eph 4:27
and do not give the devil
Eph 4:28
He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with
Eph 4:29
Let no [fn]unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification [fn]according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
Eph 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
Eph 4:31
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
Eph 4:32
Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven [fn]you.


Well, I could quote all of Ephesians. This is the verse I used to describe my father at his funeral:

Mic 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good;
And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justice, to love [fn]kindness,
And to walk [fn]humbly with your God?

What I see sometimes among Christians is that they see terrible things happen, and they, in their own righteousness, say, "Well, the world is going to get worse and worse before the Lord comes again." Then they DO nothing. That is not just or kind.

 

[Hammster]

The gospel is the most important....but there is action called for too:
NASB from blueletterbible.org
Mat 25:34
¶“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mat 25:35
‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
Mat 25:36
naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
Mat 25:37
“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
Mat 25:38
‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
Mat 25:39
‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
Mat 25:40
“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

Eph 4:25¶
Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONEof you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another.
Eph 4:26
BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger,
Eph 4:27
and do not give the devil
Eph 4:28
He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with
Eph 4:29
Let no [fn]unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification [fn]according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
Eph 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
Eph 4:31
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
Eph 4:32
Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven [fn]you.


Well, I could quote all of Ephesians. This is the verse I used to describe my father at his funeral:

Mic 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good;
And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justice, to love [fn]kindness,
And to walk [fn]humbly with your God?

I think we are discussing the difference between a preacher and a pastor. A preacher preaches the gospel which is great - but does not pastor. A pastor preaches but also is a shepherd, caring for the flock.

All of what you posted we do in light of the gospel. It’s the fruit that we bear. If this is given to those without the gospel, it’s just moralism. That’s my point. If these men have some sort of national stage and all they say is to be good because the Bible says so, that does nobody any good.

 

[FreeinChrist]

All of what you posted we do in light of the gospel. It’s the fruit that we bear. If this is given to those without the gospel, it’s just moralism. That’s my point. If these men have some sort of national stage and all they say is to be good because the Bible says so, that does nobody any good.

You are assuming they are speaking out against white nationalism without the gospel. The gospel is shown in deed as well as word. That they carry the label shows their view and aim.

 

[iluvatar5150]

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
— Romans 1:16-17

For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
— 1 Corinthians 2:2

But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
— Galatians 6:14

k, that's 4 verses. Howsabout the rest? You referenced 1 Corinthians - there's a whole lot of moralizing in the rest of that book.

All of what you posted we do in light of the gospel. It’s the fruit that we bear. If this is given to those without the gospel, it’s just moralism. That’s my point. If these men have some sort of national stage and all they say is to be good because the Bible says so, that does nobody any good.

Talk about begging the question. Who says that's all they say?

 

[FreeinChrist]

The role of pastor is more than preaching the gospel. They are shepherds protecting the flock.
White nationalism is an evil permeating society and could (has in some cases) permeated the church with its hatred.

From the article:

“Mass murder is not a ‘tragedy.’ A cyclone or an earthquake or a tornado that takes lives is a tragedy,” tweeted Ray Ortlund, pastor of Immanuel Nashville. “But mass murder is evil. And if motivated by racism, it is evil compounded.”
​

The Bible spends a lot of time pointing out good and evil. That many white Nationalists consider themselves Christian is a concern for one protecting the flock from the wolves who would come in.

 

[Hammster]

You are assuming they are speaking out against white nationalism without the gospel. The gospel is shown in deed as well as word. That they carry the label shows their view and aim.

I’m going by what was said in the article. There was no mention of the gospel.

 

[Hammster]

k, that's 4 verses. Howsabout the rest? You referenced 1 Corinthians - there's a whole lot of moralizing in the rest of that book.



Talk about begging the question. Who says that's all they say?

Everything Paul preached was based on the truth of the gospel.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I’m going by what was said in the article. There was no mention of the gospel.

Did the article write down every word that was said by the pastors?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Recent Shootings Spur Pastors to Call Out White Supremacy

How many people actually see White Supremacy in their neighborhood?

I live in what's called a red neck part of San Diego
We Don't See It.

Let's face it
pretty uncommon in the US.

M-Bob

 

[Hammster]

Did the article write down every word that was said by the pastors?

I would have no idea. But you’d think that a Christian publication would post where they’d mentioned the gospel.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I’m going by what was said in the article. There was no mention of the gospel.

You're reading an article that gathers a bunch of short quotes and briefly describes a particular situation. Is the article an exhaustive analysis of these pastors' entire bodies of work? Does it claim to be? Does it try to be?

The standard you're applying here is kind of ridiculous.

Everything Paul preached was based on the truth of the gospel.

Yeah? His stuff about gender roles in the church doesn't seem to have much to do with the gospel but I suppose that's getting off-topic.

How many people actually see White Supremacy in their neighborhood?

I live in what's called a red neck part of San Diego
We Don't See It.

Let's face it
pretty uncommon in the US.

M-Bob

lol, k. Perhaps you'd see more of it if you opened your eyes.

I googled "racism in San Diego":

Editorial: Note to Rep. Duncan Hunter: Racism lives and breathes in California too. It always has

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...nce-has-long-history-san-diego/?noredirect=on

You are being redirected...

 

[FreeinChrist]

How many people actually see White Supremacy in their neighborhood?

I live in what's called a red neck part of San Diego
We Don't See It.

Let's face it
pretty uncommon in the US.

M-Bob

uh huh. One has to know what they are looking at. And if one doesn't want to see it, they will not.
And your neighborhood is not the whole US.

‘We Are Being Eaten From Within.’ Why America Is Losing the Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism

But long before that young man drove to El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3 and allegedly murdered at least 22 people at a Walmart crammed with back-to-school shoppers, it was clear that white nationalists have become the face of terrorism in America. Since 9/11, white supremacists and other far-right extremists have been responsible for almost three times as many attacks on U.S. soil as Islamic terrorists, the government reported. From 2009 through 2018, the far right has been responsible for 73% of domestic extremist-related fatalities, according to a 2019 study by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). And the toll is growing. More people–49–were murdered by far-right extremists in the U.S. last year than in any other year since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress in July that a majority of the bureau’s domestic-terrorism investigations since October were linked to white supremacy.

Yet the nation’s leaders have failed to meet this menace. In more than a dozen interviews with TIME, current and former federal law-enforcement and national-security officials described a sense of bewilderment and frustration as they watched warnings go ignored and the white-supremacist terror threat grow. Over the past decade, multiple attempts to refocus federal resources on the issue have been thwarted. Entire offices meant to coordinate an interagency response to right-wing extremism were funded, staffed and then defunded in the face of legal, constitutional and political concerns.​

 

[Shiloh Raven]

uh huh. One has to know what they are looking at. And if one doesn't want to see it, they will not.
And your neighborhood is not the whole US.

‘We Are Being Eaten From Within.’ Why America Is Losing the Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism

But long before that young man drove to El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3 and allegedly murdered at least 22 people at a Walmart crammed with back-to-school shoppers, it was clear that white nationalists have become the face of terrorism in America. Since 9/11, white supremacists and other far-right extremists have been responsible for almost three times as many attacks on U.S. soil as Islamic terrorists, the government reported. From 2009 through 2018, the far right has been responsible for 73% of domestic extremist-related fatalities, according to a 2019 study by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). And the toll is growing. More people–49–were murdered by far-right extremists in the U.S. last year than in any other year since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress in July that a majority of the bureau’s domestic-terrorism investigations since October were linked to white supremacy.

Yet the nation’s leaders have failed to meet this menace. In more than a dozen interviews with TIME, current and former federal law-enforcement and national-security officials described a sense of bewilderment and frustration as they watched warnings go ignored and the white-supremacist terror threat grow. Over the past decade, multiple attempts to refocus federal resources on the issue have been thwarted. Entire offices meant to coordinate an interagency response to right-wing extremism were funded, staffed and then defunded in the face of legal, constitutional and political concerns.​

Recent studies have reported that white supremacy is on the rise under Donald Trump and white supremacist violence is also responsible for the spike in domestic terror arrests in the U.S.

US neo-Nazi groups on the rise under President Donald Trump: report

White supremacist violence responsible for spike in US domestic terror arrests, FBI says

Meet the Horde of Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and Other Extremist Leaders Endorsing Donald Trump

White supremacy has been more out in the open since Trump was still campaigning and it has been on a steady rise since he was elected. He has normalized racism through his speeches and actions.

Trump's Actions, Speeches Normalize Racism

Neo-Nazis explain why they support Donald Trump

Trump Gives White Supremacists an Unequivocal Boost

 

[SummerMadness]

Most people do not walk around saying, “I am a white supremacist.” They also do not walk around saying, “I am a racist.” However, their behaviors and actions demonstrate that many times. There have been many studies on topics housing, education, criminal justice, employment, etc., that show that white supremacy is still a problem in the United States.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

white supremacy is still a problem in the United States.

Jesus told us that, we would have many troubles down here. Thus, naturally there are many troubled ones.

Don't go out of my way looking for white supremacists, nor have I seen many in my lifetime.

There will be a sad ending for them if they do not repent.

We thank God daily that we live in a quiet no crime no hatred zone.

Best for all that we try to pull this country together rather than tear it a part.

Trump appears to be trying to do that but, many other politicians wish to be of no help.

They complain and complain, yet do nothing.

M-Bob

 

[SummerMadness]

Jesus told us that, we would have many troubles down here. Thus, naturally there are many troubled ones.

Don't go out of my way looking for white supremacists, nor have I seen many in my lifetime.

There will be a sad ending for them if they do not repent.

We thank God daily that we live in a quiet no crime no hatred zone.

Best for all that we try to pull this country together rather than tear it a part.

Trump appears to be trying to do that but, many other politicians wish to be of no help.

They complain and complain, yet do nothing.

M-Bob

No one is going out of their way looking for white supremacists, Charlottesville, Dylann Roof, Christchurch, El Paso, etc., nobody was searching for it. The sad part is there is so much energy put into trying to deny the existence of white supremacy is the main reason it has found life in the right-wing. The look the other way mentality simply emboldens them.