Proof of Climate Change hoax

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Some coast lines are rising and some are sinking due to plate tectonics. With satellite measurements recent sea level rise has been reported as 1/8 inch per year. Carbon dioxide pollution trapped heat in the atmosphere. It is science not some executive deception.
These same junk scientists said the coastlines would be under water by now - 30 years ago.
This generation so so concerned about man destroying the planet. Our pollution levels ha e decreased radically, remember leaded fuel. I lived in San Fernando valley 40 years ago and it was bad. They would have smog alerts often. Its much cleaner now. Hey, we have 100 years supply of natural gas which is 95 % less polluting - why haven't we changes over to that? Also, why isn't everyone on China's case? Their pollution levels exceed ours. They have to walk around with masks.
Plants emit CO2 and thousands of years ago there were more botanicals.
I would be more concerned for unbelievers, who when Jesus returns will lose. The Bible does say the sun will scorch man and he will curse God during the Great Tribulation. That change in temperature will be Gods doing, not CO2.
 
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Its obvious that with the way man uses things that he has indeed added to climate change.

The amount of pollution that China pumps out has to be having an effect on the climate and also on the health of its population. But, the planet has had massive swings in climate over its lifetime. One cant deny that. We cant beat nature.
 
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I think people are missing the point. It's not simply that the climate is changing, because it's true that that has always happened. It is that it is changing far too rapidly than it did in the past. Even if the middle ages or the Roman period were warmer than it is now, the question is, did they go through a similar changes at the same rate compared to now? A century is a very short time for the Earth to be seeing the kind of changes we are now seeing in the climate, and it matches up perfectly with the industrial revolution.

I'm a devoted conservative, and I've seen the science. You don't have to be a climate change denier in order to be conservative; in fact, doesn't the very name imply that we should be conserving the earth? One of the tasks God gave us was to rule the earth alongside him, and that means not destroying it for our own gluttonous convenience. I'm young and am afraid of what I and my future children will have to live through in the future as the consequences of our actions become more drastic.
 
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Its only in America that we have a group of people who imagine that the world's scientists have fabricated data and theories about climate. Unfortunately, Christians are also active in this group. This situation destroys the reputation of both America and American Christians.

There is plenty of real-time evidence that large amounts of glacial ice are melting in Greenland. It is well documented, and you can see weekly reports of science studies, if you care to look them up.

There seems to be an assumption by 'climate deniers' that if the world heats up by 2-3 degrees, then it is no big deal. But in fact you will see plenty of effects. For example, insect populations are likely to expand their ranges - causing a lot of problems with crops and human diseases.

I can assure you that scientists dont sit around 'making stuff up' The concern is real.
 
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Ronald, where did you get the idea there is a cooling in the last 20 years? It does not take long to see the Earth has been warming up, not cooling down.
Study: Mass gains of Antarctic ice sheet greater than losses – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

We've also seen record breaking cold temperatures. Take just recently, the winter of 2018/2019, the Arctic Vortex that came down to Chicago and the surrounding states with -60 degree temps. This had the Global Warming alarmists baffled, shocked. These alarmists go in hiding during times like this and wait for August temps to state their case. What they give are fraudulent data, studies geared to influence the public towards this belief. There is a conspiracy, forcing scientists, government agencies to comply with this agenda or else funding will be removed. They force their hands, as well as alter and remove data.
The medical industry that has BIG PHARMA in their pockets do the same to doctors that may come up with natural cures. They suppress the truth, cover it up, spend millions refuting natural cures and even threaten these doctors with law suits ( since their lobbyists have worked decades to create a legal protective shield) or revoke their license if they don't play ball. Some doctors go over the border and set up clinics to heal cancer patients in 3 weeks - oh yes, check our the Gerson Clinic in Mexico and Germany. They use ozone therapy, organic juice fasts, while omitting the #1 killer that all bacteria, viruses and cancers feed on , SUGAR.
The point is, the corruption in government is deep, about the money and they have an agenda that is diabolical. Global Governance is the big goal.

United Nations, national sovereingty and the future of the world - Walter Cronkite - a speech on UN
 
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It is impossible to deny climate change has been occuring for years AND that humans caused all of it. Everyone who does has a poliltical agenda.
Of course the deniers are politically motivated!

Or is it a giant, honking coincidence that the whelming majority of deniers are on the right.
 
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So, are there going to be climate wars of nation against nation over what one nation says is destroying the earth? Many of these climate doomsayers consider the problem is too many people.

Maybe some country will design a fertility destroying chemical to kill off x number of future potential people of what they consider the deplorables.

Universal made a movie about a similar idea of killing Trump supporters in organized hunts. Pretty disgusting.
 
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Nobody said the Earth is static and has never changed. Everyone knows that is not true. What people say is at no time in Earth's history before it was populated by billions of homo sapiens did climate changes go so fast. Therefore it must be the result of human invasion because natural processes take hundreds if not thousands of years to even show a bilp on the radar.
That is the thing... we don't have an EXACT SCIENCE to determine EXACTLY what the temperatures were 2 million years ago. We can guess based on gases in rocks, and so forth. So we don't know with certainty what the temperature was back then. Yet, and respectfully, you are talking as if we are certain about the lack of drastic changes before humans when your statement can't be proven at all.

As far as "nobody said Earth is static and never changed." If you go back and read what I said, that is exactly what I said. Nobody is SAYING THAT, but they talk about the climate in a manner that infers it without saying it.

In the 1970's, many of these same scientists proposed covering the ice caps in soot to CAPTURE the heat and prevent the next ice age. 20 years later, the caps are melting and Philadelphia is 100 years from being shoreline. Nonsense... I have a 1937 picture of the Jersey shore. Looking at it, and then looking at the shore today... one of the same buildings is still there and it is just as close to the water now as it was then.

We are LOUSY stewards when it comes to being caretakers of this planet. And we are wasteful and dangerous... but we are not causing the rise in temperatures, the sun is.
 
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It is impossible to deny climate change has been occuring for years AND that humans caused all of it. Everyone who does has a poliltical agenda.
Well some might deny it might do it out of ignorance, refusal to accept the facts, or other reasons, they might not ALL be political.
 
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We're actually quite involved in what's happening to Earth.....You'll actually find the answer in the Bible!:eek:

Revelation 11:18
The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small-- and for destroying those who destroy the earth."


Wow! It seems to clear imply people who has little regard for Earth do not revere the Lord!

All people who are evil share the same factor - little regard for Earth. And we have Matthew 7:22-23.
I don't disagree that we are lousy stewards of this great gift (planet) and are reckless and dangerous. I'll preach that all day! But where we COULD BE adding to the rising temps, the bulk of the shift is from the sun.

Remember, the great minds of the early 1970's wanted to cover the ice caps in soot to trap heat and prevent the next ice age. 20 years later they jump on a rising temperature bandwagon and blame it on man before ANY evidence was in. Again... the blame was place on man BEFORE any evidence was in. And that has been the talking point ever since.
 
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Study: Mass gains of Antarctic ice sheet greater than losses – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

We've also seen record breaking cold temperatures. Take just recently, the winter of 2018/2019, the Arctic Vortex that came down to Chicago and the surrounding states with -60 degree temps. This had the Global Warming alarmists baffled, shocked.
Misleading. While it may be true that regular Joes like me, who quite reasonably accept the scientific consensus on global warming, might be baffled by the cold weather, the scientists - the real experts - are not. To wit:

Excerpt from National Geographic article:

In response to President Trump's January 20 tweet about cold temperatures, Potsdam University physicist Stefan Rahmstorf noted on Twitter that, while North America was experiencing cold Arctic air, the rest of the world was abnormally hot. And, the polar vortex bringing that cold air to the U.S. may actually become increasingly unstable, Rahmstorf noted.

As more Arctic air flows into southern regions, North America can expect to see harsher winters. That was the conclusion of a study published in 2017 in the journal
Nature Geoscience. It found a link between warmer Arctic temperatures and colder North American winters. A separate study published in March of last year in the journal Nature Communications found the same link but predicted the northeastern portion of the U.S. would be particularly hard hit.
 
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These same junk scientists said the coastlines would be under water by now - 30 years ago.
This generation so so concerned about man destroying the planet. Our pollution levels ha e decreased radically, remember leaded fuel. I lived in San Fernando valley 40 years ago and it was bad. They would have smog alerts often. Its much cleaner now. Hey, we have 100 years supply of natural gas which is 95 % less polluting - why haven't we changes over to that? Also, why isn't everyone on China's case? Their pollution levels exceed ours. They have to walk around with masks.
Plants emit CO2 and thousands of years ago there were more botanicals.
I would be more concerned for unbelievers, who when Jesus returns will lose. The Bible does say the sun will scorch man and he will curse God during the Great Tribulation. That change in temperature will be Gods doing, not CO2.
We have lead free gasoline because leaded gasoline was increasing brain damage and lowering IQ test scores. Lead pipes were used by the wealthy who could afford plumbing since Roman times. They did not know they were unwise. Flint, Michigan found out they had lead pipes. Some tried to blame the government.

I read a study that people who live close to a major road are more likely to die. The highest risk is within 100 meters, but it continues to 1000 meters, or close to half a mile from a major roadway. Truck drivers have an average life expectancy of 61 yrs. Truck drivers are more likely to smoke, be obese and not exercise, plus have to breathe exhaust fumes on the highway. You might think some people are overly concerned about pollution. How many of these live within 500 feet of an urban freeway? People who have higher levels of arsenic in their well water are more likely to get cancer, even if they breathe clean country air. Arsenic is a naturally occurring element found in some aquifers.
 
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Well some might deny it might do it out of ignorance, refusal to accept the facts, or other reasons, they might not ALL be political.
Despite an earlier post of mine, I agree with you - there are certainly some deniers whose views are not grounded in politics.
 
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Why do we think that climate change or the under-or-over emphasis of it is important? While we quibble over these things:

People are going down to their graves with no knowledge of Christ.

Because people care about the species that are dying, air we breathe in, water we drink, and a lot more - things that God has given us and made for us and Himself.

Genesis 1:30-31 (NIV) 30 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing planrt oni the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit in it. They will be yours for food. 31 And to all the beasts of the earth and the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground - everything that has the breath of life in it - I give every green plant for food."

Climate change has been killing many wild animals, fish in the sea, birds in the sky, and living creatures that move along the ground, It also is killing green plants that are given to us for food.
 
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We are charged to treat responsibly all the wonderful resources God has given us. But that, in fact, has very little to do with the environmental movement. The environmental movement is consumed with trying to preserve the planet forever. But we know that isn't in God's plan.

If anyone thinks humanity is wrecking the planet, wait until they see what Jesus does to it. Peter says God is going to literally turn it in on itself in an atomic implosion so that the whole universe goes out of existence (2 Peter 3:7-13).
 
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Nature has the real power.
Nature ? NATURAL occurrence?
Climate change ?

The Bible says GOD is in control of the
weather. Sometimes He uses weather

-for blessings

14That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain,that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

-for punishment

7And also I have withholden the rain from you, when there wereyet three months to the harvest: and I caused it to rain upon onecity, and caused it not to rain upon another city: one piece was rained upon, and the piece whereupon it rained not withered.

-for the day of battle and war

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, 23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

3The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
 
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“Green New Deal”

This is not the age of rationality, this
is an age of astonishing irrationality.
Society today is openly assaulting the truth.

Obama: Climate Change 'Act of Defiance'
Against ISIS. The president encouraged the
world’s leaders to stop burning oil and other
fossil fuels.

President Barack Obama tweeted “Ninety-
seven percent of scientists agree: #climate
change is real, man-made and dangerous.”
This figure was twisted to promote [His Will].

Climate Change: The Myth of 97 Percent | RealClearPolitics!

U.N. Official Admits Global Warming Agenda Is Really About Destroying Capitalism

The U.S. would be the hardest hit, having been
blessed with our resources. The Paris climate
summit was about revolutionizing the world’s
economic system, and turning into Capitalism.
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The climate change ideologues march to chants
of “Science! Science! Science!”

A related issue, Despite all the evidence to the contrary, people insist sexual license has no consequences.
That divorce is liberating—and that children
are better off without both their biological parents.

That a child can be raised by a man and his homo-
sexual lover just as well—that marriage is oppressive,
unless it is between two people of the same sex.

That biological sex isn’t reality—that “gender”
is whatever a person thinks in his mind, and that
anyone who won’t play along is a hateful bigot,
and many other bizarre fantasies.

What we see is ‘Will Worship’ (Colossians 2:18, 23).
Paul warned about people worshiping their own will
instead of God, the devil can lead that person.
A better translated “forced worship of demons.”

When you worship it, the devil, “the god of this world”
is very much in the picture (2 Corinthians 4:4).
Jeremiah 17:9 says the human heart is “deceitful
above all things and desperately wicked.”

The human will is susceptible to influence by
“the prince of the power of the air, the spirit
that now works in the children of disobedience”

People are indulging in, pushing and celebrating
increasingly twisted sins. This assault on truth—
this rejection of reality—is not just coming from
human beings. It is being inspired by an evil being
with twisted thinking who wants to destroy humans.

"When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it”
“the lusts of your father ye will do.” or
“you will”—or “you will to do”
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"and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:30-32)

Today, a world plagued by lies, intolerance, coercion
and with force, fake news and fake science abound.
Only the real truth comes from God.

We do not want to be worshiping the human will:
We want to be worshiping God! And we want to be
submitting our will to the will of God.

God is a benevolent ruler—Satan is a tyrant.
 
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It is impossible to deny climate change has been occuring for years AND that humans caused all of it. Everyone who does has a poliltical agenda.
Quite a comprehensive use of logical fallacy for such a short statement. Congatulations!
 
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The Bible says GOD is in control of the
weather. Sometimes He uses weather

-for blessings

14That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain,that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

-for punishment

7And also I have withholden the rain from you, when there wereyet three months to the harvest: and I caused it to rain upon onecity, and caused it not to rain upon another city: one piece was rained upon, and the piece whereupon it rained not withered.

-for the day of battle and war

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, 23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

3The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
And let's not forget that He sometimes relinquishes that power to the devil (Job 1:19), who is obviously struggling constantly against unfallen angels for that power (Revelation 7:1).
 
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I think people are missing the point. It's not simply that the climate is changing, because it's true that that has always happened. It is that it is changing far too rapidly than it did in the past. Even if the middle ages or the Roman period were warmer than it is now, the question is, did they go through a similar changes at the same rate compared to now? A century is a very short time for the Earth to be seeing the kind of changes we are now seeing in the climate, and it matches up perfectly with the industrial revolution.

I'm a devoted conservative, and I've seen the science. You don't have to be a climate change denier in order to be conservative; in fact, doesn't the very name imply that we should be conserving the earth? One of the tasks God gave us was to rule the earth alongside him, and that means not destroying it for our own gluttonous convenience. I'm young and am afraid of what I and my future children will have to live through in the future as the consequences of our actions become more drastic.
I totally agree and I do think we have probably sped up the fluctuations. Whether or not it's permanent is hard to say since there are so many variables and things that could happen to alter the climate apart from human activity.

Personally, I'm very concerned about the introduction of bugs and plants and animals around the globe in places they don't belong and have no predators or diseases to keep them in check. Just yesterday I was helping my boss clean up some trees he had to cut down because they were covered in a recently introduced bug. It was horrible... As he cut the tree up, these large bugs were flying everywhere and landing all over us. And then as we cleaned up that debris, I discovered a whole mass of them had flown to an oak tree and were climbing up that one next!

We really never learn from our past mistakes...
 
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