4 of Satan’s biggest lies to born-again believers

[ViaCrucis]

We know that the devil is a liar. So he can be safely ignored and dismissed--Christ has defeated him, he is bound, gagged, and his domain set to ruin. Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, seated at the right hand of Majesty, is Lord now and always.

But here is the Gospel: God, who is rich and boundless in mercy, saves you; for at the time of God's own choosing He sent forth His Son in human likeness, born of a woman, born under the Law, to be the Atonement for us, to reconcile us to God. For having lived righteously and perfectly, surrendering His life unto death, even death on the cross, He has suffered and died for all men and for the sins of the whole world. And having been raised up from the dead He has defeated sin, death, hell, and the devil. And having ascended He sits at the right hand of God the Father, having been given all power and authority in heaven and on earth, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. And He is coming again, to judge the living and the dead, and with Him His everlasting kingdom, world without end, the resurrection of the dead, and the renewal of all things.

So that we have peace with God in Him, having received the promised Holy Spirit by the word, promise, and gift from God; by whom we cry out "Abba! Father" having received adoption as sons. By this Jesus Christ we have received righteousness and holiness from God as pure gift, through faith, and so we have been justified freely by God's grace. A righteousness apart from the Law, apart from the commandments which men in their sin fail to obey; but rather the alien righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to us as pure grace, and in this righteousness (and this righteousness alone) we stand vindicated and holy before God, so that indeed there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, and we are indeed more than conquerors through Him who loves us, and sides with us, as our Advocate and Savior now and forever.

For Christ alone has accomplished these great things for us. And these are ours, apart from ourselves and apart from the weakness and depravity of our fleshly efforts: so that the one who has faith in Christ is justified, vindicated, and set apart in Him as a child of God the Father, by grace. A new creation, having received new birth from God by the Spirit, to the conformity of God's Son, now and in the Age to Come.

Our sins are forgiven. Our hope is secured. Our life with and in God promised and assured by One who is Himself the Righteousness of God, and by Him and in Him we, too, are called God's righteousness.

Hoping, trusting, and enduring in Him, our hope is never put to shame, but we look forward in faith to that coming Day when all shall be set right, even the heavens and the earth and indeed all things reconciled, redeemed, healed, and restored. For this is God's promise in Christ, to us, for us, and for the whole world. To the glory of His Eternal Name, to His praise forever: Glory be to the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, one God; as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Amen.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BCsenior]

We know that the devil is a liar. So he can be safely ignored and dismissed --
Christ has defeated him, he is bound, gagged, and his domain set to ruin.

I got as far as this extremely dangerous statement of yours above!

In these very last of days ...
Almighty God has allowed many more multitudes of demons to be unleashed on earth
to test those on earth, especially God's elect.
Love, obedience, endurance, testing, overcoming, etc.
are required by God's chosen people!
"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

 

[nolidad]

Satan's lie
All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
>>> “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

“… having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
>>> “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
>>> “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

John is writing to his fellow Christians …
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
“This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)

Paul warns the errant Corinthian church that their …
“godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation” (2 Corin. 7:9-10, NKJV)

Satan's lie
You are now righteous

“… you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living … So now you must give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living” (Romans 6:16-19)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil … Whoever has been born of God does not sin (habitually) … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:7-10)
“… who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35)

“But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness and a godly life … pursue righteous living” (1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 2:22)

Satan's lie
You are now holy

“… give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living so that you will become holy.” (Romans 6:16-19)

“work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin … live in holiness and honor. … God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

“you must live as God’s obedient children … now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, ‘You must be holy because I am holy.’ ” (1 Peter 1:14-15)

Satan's lie
You have been saved and can never lose salvation

“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)

“For to be carnally-minded is (eternal) death, but to be spiritually-minded is (eternal) life and peace.” (Romans 8:5-6)

“For IF you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death); but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).” (Romans 8:13)

“For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (eternal death), but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him … when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:12-15)

Jesus often said. “Those who love Me will obey My commandments.” (4 times in John 14)

We are already saved forever if we are a believer! We are the elect from before the foundation of the world! We are already seated in heavenly places , we are already glorified and justified!

YOu misunderstand the difference between forgiven judicially and forgiven experientially.

According to you r theology here, Jesus didn't die for all your sins- but if you confess your sins that you commit (which we should) then somehow they get retroactively forgiven or something. You do not understand the difference between our relationship with god and our daily fellowship with God! Our relationship is secure but we can break fellowship with god by sin and need 1 John 1:9 to be retored to fellowship1 But we do not lose sonship!

I am sorry but it is your 4 opinions that are in reality the four lies Satan loves to use on believers. It keeps them preoccupied with their walk instead of with their Savior!

Jesus promised to never leave us or forsake us! You believe He can and will.

Jesus said all who come to HIm He will not cast out! YOu say He will cast out.

Jesus said that teh good work He began in us, He will perform until that day! You say He won't...IF...

Whom should we believe Jesus or you???????????????????????????????????

 

[nolidad]

It's what one does with the free gift that counts. Free gifts, in general, are not a guarantee that the person will always be doing with the free give, what the giver of it intended. Some people take a free gift meant to share with others, and instead hide it on a shelf in a closet. Some people trade free gifts for other things. Some people even throw free gifts away at some point. Until one grasps that first, one may never fully get a lot of these things.

Once saved is not a guarantee that this will be true in every single case, that it adds up to always saved every single time.

Yes it does- Gods Word says so!

The only thing the bible says about people who walk away- is that they were never saved to begin with! They are the wheat among the tares and they are the ones John said went out from us for they were NEVER of US! They were also the good deed doers whom Jesus said He NEVER (not knew once and doesn't know now)knew them!

We are saved by trusting in teh death, burial and resurrection of Jesus alone for the full and only satisfactory payment for all of our sin debt before Gods the Father!

Works have nothing to do with us getting saved or staying saved!

Ephesians 2:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I got as far as this extremely dangerous statement of yours above!

In these very last of days ...
Almighty God has allowed many more multitudes of demons to be unleashed on earth
to test those on earth, especially God's elect.
Love, obedience, endurance, testing, overcoming, etc.
are required by God's chosen people!
"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

So you believe that confessing Christ's victory and glorious resurrection is "extremely dangerous"?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BCsenior]

So you believe that confessing Christ's victory and glorious resurrection is "extremely dangerous"?

You absolutely know I wuz referring to this statement of yours ...

"We know that the devil is a liar. So he can be safely ignored and dismissed --
Christ has defeated him, he is bound, gagged, and his domain set to ruin."

 

[Strong in Him]

You absolutely know I wuz referring to this statement of yours ...

"We know that the devil is a liar. So he can be safely ignored and dismissed --
Christ has defeated him, he is bound, gagged, and his domain set to ruin."

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I don't see what's wrong with that statement.
The devil is a liar and a murderer from the beginning; Jesus said so, John 8:44. So we don't have to, and indeed shouldn't, listen to anything he says.
And Christ HAS defeated the devil. He isn't totally and completely bound yet, but he can do NOTHING without God's knowledge and permission. So actually, the devil is gagged; he has limited power, far less than God, can not do anything secretly, or without God's knowledge, and if he planned something and God overrode him or said "No", there is nothing he could do about it.
What's more, whatever the devil does, he is going to lose in the end and be finally and totally destroyed.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That's exactly what blaspheming the Holy Spirit is - taking something that is from God and attributing it to, or crediting, the devil.
Just as when Jesus performed miracles in God's power, and the Pharisees said he was doing it by the power of Beelzebub, Mark 3:20-30

No, it's not attributing the works of the devil to God in general. Jesus was saying that they were insulting the work of the Holy Spirit, and not God in general.

Verse 24 (Matthew 12:24) the Pharisees insulted the power that Jesus was working by in that instance. They were insulting the working of the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) according to Jesus (verse 28 - Matthew 12:28).

Jesus then describes to us exactly what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. He says if any man speaks against the Holy Ghost it will never be forgiven of Him (Matthew 12:32). But whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him (Matthew 12:32). What is the blasphemy of the Son? Unbelievers do this all the time. They swear using the name of Jesus. This can be forgiven. But if people were to swear using the name of the Holy Ghost, this can never be forgiven. That is what Jesus is talking about here (and it relates to what the Pharisees either did, or came close to committing).

Also, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is something a person can commit in the world to come. What is the world to come? It is the Millennium. There will be no unbelievers in the Millennium because Jesus will be reining during the 1,000 year time of the Millennium. So this means that the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is speaking bad words against the Spirit. This can never be forgiven. This should disprove OSAS, but somehow folks manage to not see these plain words in Scripture.

 

[BCsenior]

"We know that the devil is a liar. So he can be safely ignored and dismissed
-- Christ has defeated him, he is bound, gagged, and his domain set to ruin."

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I don't see what's wrong with that statement.

What's wrong with it is that it minimizes Satan's power and threat to believers!
It is extremely dangerous to ignore your mortal enemy!
Many BACs will be falling in the days ahead because of him!
This complaceny is way beyond ludicrous!
That's what's wrong with the statement.

 

[BCsenior]

(A) the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is speaking bad words against the Spirit.
This can never be forgiven.
(B) This should disprove OSAS,
but somehow folks manage to not see these plain words in Scripture.

(A) "Believers" everywhere cannot seem to grasp this simplest of spiritual Truths!

(B) "Believers" everywhere cannot seem to grasp many plain words in Scripture!

What are we to do?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What are we to do?

Share the truth of God's Word in love, and pray.

 

[Strong in Him]

No, it's not attributing the works of the devil to God in general. Jesus was saying that they were insulting the work of the Holy Spirit, and not God in general.

The Holy Spirit IS God.
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Spirit is God.
3 in 1; yet one God.
When the disciples saw the Son, they saw the Father also, John 14:9 - because the Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father, John 14:10. Jesus and the Father are one, John 10:30. If someone rejects the Son they are rejecting the Father also. In the OT the Spirit is called the Spirit of God. He is divine and eternal, Genesis 1:1. If someone blasphemes the Spirit they are blaspheming God.

Verse 24 (Matthew 12:24) the Pharisees insulted the power that Jesus was working by in that instance. They were insulting the working of the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) according to Jesus (verse 28 - Matthew 12:28).

God the Father was working through Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. They were rejecting God who is Trinity; 1 in 3 and 3 in 1.

Jesus then describes to us exactly what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. He says if any man speaks against the Holy Ghost it will never be forgiven of Him (Matthew 12:32). But whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him (Matthew 12:32). What is the blasphemy of the Son? Unbelievers do this all the time. They swear using the name of Jesus. This can be forgiven. But if people were to swear using the name of the Holy Ghost, this can never be forgiven. That is what Jesus is talking about here (and it relates to what the Pharisees either did, or came close to committing).

That's not what Mark says.
Jesus was healing in the power of the Holy Spirit - the Pharisees claimed that he was healing by the power of Beelzebub.Mark 3:29 says that whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven - and Mark 3:30 says that Jesus said this because the Pharisees were saying that Jesus had an evil spirit. I.e, when they saw Jesus driving out demons, instead of asking, if they did not know where Jesus' power came from, they accused him of operating in the power of the devil. THAT is how you blaspheme the HOLY Spirit - by saying his power is from Satan.
Nothing at all there about speaking although Mark 3:28 does say that all kinds of blasphemies will be forgiven.

So this means that the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is speaking bad words against the Spirit.

Scripture doesn't say that.

 

[Strong in Him]

What's wrong with it is that it minimizes Satan's power and threat to believers!

Not really.
If we are IN Jesus, we have the victory, 1 John 3:8; 1 John 5:4.
If we are IN Jesus we have the resources to stand against the devil, Ephesians 5:11, Matthew 6:13.
If we are IN Jesus, there is nothing that can separate us from the love of God, Romans 8:38-39.

Yes, of course the devil can still try to threaten, and tempt, believers - he is the thief that comes to kill and destroy, John 10:10 and is a murderer, John 8:44. That is why it is so important to remain united to the Vine, John 15:4.

It is extremely dangerous to ignore your mortal enemy!

It is also very unwise to think about him too much and give him too much attention and power. He was defeated at Calvary, and his final destination has been secured.
We are told to fix our eyes on Jesus and to resist the evil one, 1 Peter 5:9. We do not have to give in to his temptations, or the lies that he whispers to us; this is why we are given the armour of God, Ephesians 6:10-18 and told to stand firm.

If the devil were to tell me that I am worthless and God doesn't love me, that is not true, since Scripture clearly says otherwise - so yes, I would ignore him. And if he persisted in saying that, and it started to bother me so that I wondered if it were true; I'd tell him to get lost in Jesus' name.

Many BACs will be falling in the days ahead because of him!

If they do, it may be because they are not remaining in the vine, using their spiritual resources or remaining under the protection of the blood of Jesus.
Ironically, it could even be because they are thinking about the devil so much and are scared of him, that he uses that fear as a way in and takes them away from God.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Holy Spirit IS God.
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Spirit is God.
3 in 1; yet one God. When the disciples saw the Son, they saw the Father also, John 14:9 - because the Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father, John 14:10. Jesus and the Father are one, John 10:30. If someone rejects the Son they are rejecting the Father also. In the OT the Spirit is called the Spirit of God. He is divine and eternal, Genesis 1:1. If someone blasphemes the Spirit they are blaspheming God.

Right, 3 persons, and yet 1 God.
That is the Trinity.
Modalism teaches that there is no distinction between the different persons of the Godhead or the Trinity.

Also, I am not in disagreement that the Holy Spirit is God (i.e. a part of the Godhead or the Trinity), as well.

But usually when we read in the Bible about a general reference to God with no special indicators, it is usually in reference to God the Father. Yes, the Father can dwell in the Son, and the Son in the Father, but they are each unique and distinct persons, too. The Father sent the Son, and the Son did not send the Father. A person can blaspheme the Holy Ghost and never be forgiven. This is not the case with the Son (or the Living Word).

God the Father was working through Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. They were rejecting God who is Trinity; 1 in 3 and 3 in 1.

No. Jesus says a person can blaspheme the Son and be forgiven, and yet if a person blasphemes or speaks bad words against the Holy Ghost, they can never be forgiven (Neither in this life, or the one to come, i.e. the Millennium). No unbeliever will be in the Millennium. Jesus will rule there.

That's not what Mark says.
Jesus was healing in the power of the Holy Spirit - the Pharisees claimed that he was healing by the power of Beelzebub. Mark 3:29 says that whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven - and Mark 3:30 says that Jesus said this because the Pharisees were saying that Jesus had an evil spirit. I.e, when they saw Jesus driving out demons, instead of asking, if they did not know where Jesus' power came from, they accused him of operating in the power of the devil. THAT is how you blaspheme the HOLY Spirit - by saying his power is from Satan.
Nothing at all there about speaking although Mark 3:28 does say that all kinds of blasphemies will be forgiven.

Right, I was not discounting Mark 3:28-30. I said if they committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. According to Mark, it appears that the Pharisees did commit this unforgivable sin. The point I was making was that the OP does not make any reference to an actual situation where the Spirit was working. The OP is referring to certain kinds of beliefs that are lies (with Scripture supporting why those kinds of beliefs are not true). To say that a belief is a lie is not an attack upon the Spirit. He did not mention any reference to the working of God directly in his OP. He was attacking the wrong beliefs with Scripture by saying they are not true. There is a difference.

So this means that the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is speaking bad words against the Spirit.

Scripture doesn't say that.

In a manner of speaking, it does.
Let's read the verse.

Speaking "a WORD" against the Son of man is contrasted with "speaking against" the Holy Ghost. "Speaking against" (with the Holy Ghost), and "speaketh a word against" (with the Son of man) are saying the same thing. They are both referring to a form of cursing (Which is what blaspheming is all about).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not really.
If we are IN Jesus, we have the victory, 1 John 3:8; 1 John 5:4.
If we are IN Jesus we have the resources to stand against the devil, Ephesians 5:11, Matthew 6:13.
If we are IN Jesus, there is nothing that can separate us from the love of God, Romans 8:38-39.

Yes, of course the devil can still try to threaten, and tempt, believers - he is the thief that comes to kill and destroy, John 10:10 and is a murderer, John 8:44. That is why it is so important to remain united to the Vine, John 15:4.



It is also very unwise to think about him too much and give him too much attention and power. He was defeated at Calvary, and his final destination has been secured.
We are told to fix our eyes on Jesus and to resist the evil one, 1 Peter 5:9. We do not have to give in to his temptations, or the lies that he whispers to us; this is why we are given the armour of God, Ephesians 6:10-18 and told to stand firm.

If the devil were to tell me that I am worthless and God doesn't love me, that is not true, since Scripture clearly says otherwise - so yes, I would ignore him. And if he persisted in saying that, and it started to bother me so that I wondered if it were true; I'd tell him to get lost in Jesus' name.



If they do, it may be because they are not remaining in the vine, using their spiritual resources or remaining under the protection of the blood of Jesus.
Ironically, it could even be because they are thinking about the devil so much and are scared of him, that he uses that fear as a way in and takes them away from God.

The indicator that we are in Jesus is if we find that we are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). The person who says they know the Lord, and they do not keep His commandments, they are liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).

 

[Blade]

2 Peter 1:9.. to me would seem something was talked about before 1:9. You added to each verse.. so its not your own words but "The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)" ? is this just copy and pasted? Did you search on each of these verses you posted as to how they are org written? Past, cleansed from.. on and on. Sorry just need to know WHO I am talking to.

Well are all other " interpreters" wrong on this? They give different views. So... why is this explanation right? You said "Satans lie". God never did.. Jesus never did nor did any of the 12.

I look to how it was before Christ...do you know? So what happen to that sin? Covered.. goat.. but still there. Where is it written that when Christ was offered that God still sees ours sins? I have to go by what John said as he looked at Christ "behold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world". No one debates this do they? Did Christ take away the sins of the world? Did not the Father say I will remember their sin no more?

You said again "Satans lie you are rightous" "It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.". This I found after.. well very short when I wanted to quit all this.. because I always saw my sin. And the margin in the bible said I wont ever get anything from God.. so I quit! I get up ...and what I SO WISH happened all the time.. does not.. but He asked "what is righteousness?" I said "ok ok..righteousness is right standing with God" He asked "how do you get righteousness?" I said by believing in Jesus..something hit me.. I could see.. I cried and cried. I never questioned it was God..but I as taught to always make sure its in the word of God. So I went searching.. and it was FAR harder back then..no internet lol

See He was telling me.. I don't see you through your eyes.. I see you through what my son has done. He God is faithful to what Jesus did. I am righteous.. THROUGH Christ not of my self. This flesh is sin.. always loves to sin.

See the difference between me and you is.. I am NOT right. I am fully willing to be wrong.. and learn from you! For I do not know anything..I am not right only He is. I am always praying.. "Father change ME 1st.. if I am wrong in anything.. I will repent get it right.. change me in JESUS name". I am willing to listen. But when things are said that are not written are added of personal belief.. I am sorry thats not the word of God just a personal belief

 

[Strong in Him]

The indicator that we are in Jesus is if we find that we are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). The person who says they know the Lord, and they do not keep His commandments, they are liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).

I would say it's the other way around, actually; that we can't keep his commands unless we are in him first.
Jesus commanded us to love one another as he loves us. This means with divine, Agape love; Christ died for us while we were sinners, Romans 5:8, so Agape love is loving our enemies and prays for them, rather than seeking revenge.
We can't have Agape love or love others with it, until we have received it ourselves - from God. We love because God first loved us, 1 John 4:19

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I would say it's the other way around, actually; that we can't keep his commands unless we are in him first.

Nowhere did I suggest otherwise. I do not believe a person can obey the Lord unless they first receive His grace by faith in Him. A person needs to first believe the gospel (believe in Christ's death and resurrection on their behalf) and seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ. This is grace. This is the entrance gate. After this point, then Sanctification (the working of God within a person) then kicks in to help them to live a holy life. Without the Lord living in them, they cannot live a holy life and or overcome grievous sin (like lying, lusting, hating, etc.). They cannot truly preach the gospel with power, and or help the poor in a way that God desires. There will be no boasting but only a seeking to please God (even when nobody's looking).

Jesus commanded us to love one another as he loves us. This means with divine, Agape love; Christ died for us while we were sinners, Romans 5:8, so Agape love is loving our enemies and prays for them, rather than seeking revenge.
We can't have Agape love or love others with it, until we have received it ourselves - from God. We love because God first loved us, 1 John 4:19

Jesus also told us, if we love him, keep His commandments (See: John 14:15). Paul says if any man does not love the Lord Jesus, let him be accursed (1 Corinthians 16:22). So if we are not loving on God's terms (i.e. keeping His commands), we are accursed.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

2 Peter 1:9.. to me would seem something was talked about before 1:9. You added to each verse.. so its not your own words but "The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)" ? is this just copy and pasted? Did you search on each of these verses you posted as to how they are org written? Past, cleansed from.. on and on. Sorry just need to know WHO I am talking to.

Well are all other " interpreters" wrong on this? They give different views. So... why is this explanation right? You said "Satans lie". God never did.. Jesus never did nor did any of the 12.

I look to how it was before Christ...do you know? So what happen to that sin? Covered.. goat.. but still there. Where is it written that when Christ was offered that God still sees ours sins? I have to go by what John said as he looked at Christ "behold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world". No one debates this do they? Did Christ take away the sins of the world? Did not the Father say I will remember their sin no more?

You said again "Satans lie you are rightous" "It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.". This I found after.. well very short when I wanted to quit all this.. because I always saw my sin. And the margin in the bible said I wont ever get anything from God.. so I quit! I get up ...and what I SO WISH happened all the time.. does not.. but He asked "what is righteousness?" I said "ok ok..righteousness is right standing with God" He asked "how do you get righteousness?" I said by believing in Jesus..something hit me.. I could see.. I cried and cried. I never questioned it was God..but I as taught to always make sure its in the word of God. So I went searching.. and it was FAR harder back then..no internet lol

See He was telling me.. I don't see you through your eyes.. I see you through what my son has done. He God is faithful to what Jesus did. I am righteous.. THROUGH Christ not of my self. This flesh is sin.. always loves to sin.

See the difference between me and you is.. I am NOT right. I am fully willing to be wrong.. and learn from you! For I do not know anything..I am not right only He is. I am always praying.. "Father change ME 1st.. if I am wrong in anything.. I will repent get it right.. change me in JESUS name". I am willing to listen. But when things are said that are not written are added of personal belief.. I am sorry thats not the word of God just a personal belief

First, the only lie espoused by the devil clearly in Scripture was in the Garden with Eve. The lie of the enemy was to convince Eve that she could break God's command and yet not die. This same lie is being pushed today by the enemy. People believe they can break God's commands and not die. So people are not learning one of the basic lessons way back in Genesis.

Second, if I wrote the OP, I would stress that a person can be righteous right now by seeking forgiveness of their sins with the Lord Jesus Christ. For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). I would say that: "I believe that is not biblical that we say that we can say that we are righteous while we also sin after being saved by God's grace." I would say that: "We cannot declare we are holy if we are also in sin, after we are saved by God's grace." God's grace through faith is the entrance gate, and core foundation of our faith. For without coming boldly before the throne of grace, there is no hope. But God's grace is not a license for immorality (Jude 1:4).

Three, 2 Peter 1:9 does indeed refer to how our past sin is forgiven us (and not future sin). I believe the verses ("on how Jesus took away sin") quoted by Eternal Security Proponents (like John 1:29, John 19:30, and 1 Corinthians 15:3) are in reference to corporate salvation of all of mankind so as to offer man the free gift of salvation (Justification), and it is not talking about individual salvation. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. This is not possible if future sin was forgiven us.

 

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I do not believe a person can obey the Lord unless they first receive His grace by faith in Him. A person needs to first believe the gospel (believe in Christ's death and resurrection on their behalf) and seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ. This is grace. This is the entrance gate.

I believe a little differently (although perhaps it's not a big deal) ...
Many NT verses teach us that man is totally unable to believe in Jesus and His Gospel.
Therefore, God must provide him with enough faith to enable him to believe.
IMO, grace begins here (the above).
This is an extremely unpopular view (that's why it is "somewhat hidden" in Scripture)!

E.G. God chose my father for heaven, and my mother for hell --- horrible, right?
However, all humans are destined for hell, period.
So, God choosing some for heaven demonstrates His grace (unmerited favor).
Praise the Lord.