Is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

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The small part of God's originally chosen, the House of Judah; the Jews have remained a visible entity.
And we know this..HOW?
What does "Visible entity" mean?
What does "remain" mean?

I know of not one single Jew today who can demonstrate (visibly or otherwise) an unbroken (or even partial) descendecny from any pre desolation Hebrew person... so this notion of them "remaining" as a "visible entity" of the Biblical House of Judah is completely void of even a shred of evidence.

It sounds good, and satisfies the carnal desire of many that these people ARE the Visible entity that Remains of those people, but there really is nothing to indicate such is the case beyond speculation, inference and wishful thinking...
Hardly the foundation to build a theology upon.

They rejected their chance at Redemption and remain in apostasy today.

Are these presently in ANY existing covenant relationship with the living God?
 
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And we know this..HOW?
What does "Visible entity" mean?
What does "remain" mean?

I know of not one single Jew today who can demonstrate (visibly or otherwise) an unbroken (or even partial) descendecny from any pre desolation Hebrew person... so this notion of them "remaining" as a "visible entity" of the Biblical House of Judah is completely void of even a shred of evidence.

It sounds good, and satisfies the carnal desire of many that these people ARE the Visible entity that Remains of those people, but there really is nothing to indicate such is the case beyond speculation, inference and wishful thinking...
Hardly the foundation to build a theology upon.

Are these presently in ANY existing covenant relationship with the living God?
I don't build my theology it. I only say that the Jewish State of Israel is the entity that most think is the only Israel.
That they are not and mostly have no actual proof of being part of the true Israel, is what I try to point out and you seem to agree with.
People like you, Parousia; always seem to jump to wrong conclusions and you love to make scathing and derogatory comments.

The soon to happen; Lord's Day of fiery wrath, will be the event that enables all the faithful Christian Israelites, from every tribe, race, nation and language to gather and live in all of the holy Land.
If you don't agree with this, then you have misunderstood what God's final outcome for His whole Plan of Creation.
 
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How about 7000?

Was that Remnant large enough to continue being called a nation?
(1 Kings 19:1-18)
Paul seemed to think so (Romans 11:2-4)

And if so, what about 3000? (Acts 2:41)
Large Enough to be called a Nation?
Peter seemed to think so
(1 Peter 2:9)

You either have to be ignorant of, or worse yet, willfully ignore scripture to claim THE prophesied remnant of National Israel did NOT call upon Jesus and was NOT saved as a nation in the 1st century.


I am afraid you are the one who is either ignorant of or willfully ignoring scripture. You forget that the actions of Elijah caused that remnant of 7,000 to grow which eventually led to the elimination of Baal worship from the Northern Kingdom.

Furthermore, Paul was citing the remnant of 7,000 at that time as an example of how God keeps aside a faithful remnant amongst His chosen nation. That obviously was not all that was left of the Northern Kingdom.

The 3,000 that were added to the Church in response to the Apostle Peter’s preaching of the Gospel did not stay at that number. That remnant did continue to grow, but that was not all that remained of the nation.

When Paul stated that all of Israel would be saved (Rom. 11:27) yet only a remnant, (Rom. 9:27) he meant what would be left of the nation of Israel at the time that they finally receive Christ as their Messiah.

There is coming a time when all ungodliness, sin, and wickedness will be purged by God from His nation, but sadly, many of them will die in the process. But it is they who survive that purge who will receive Christ, dwell with Him in His Kingdom, and receive all the blessings pertaining to them.
 
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Seems to me it is you who is arguing with scripture if you claim the following Judgement of 1st century Israel took place, while also claiming the Lord of the Vineyard did NOT come and do it....
Matthew 21:40-41
40 “Therefore, when the Lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”
41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”



Incorrect... such a definition renders the word imminent meaningless.

Here's what Imminent means:
m·mi·nent
/ˈimənənt/
adjective
  1. 1.
    about to happen.
    "they were in imminent danger of being swept away"
    synonyms: impending, at hand, close, near, approaching, fast approaching, about to happen
Nothing about "Could be tomorrow or in 2000 years".
Such is a totally made up, make believe definition that, again, renders the word completley meaningLESS.

When something is wet you don't describe it as dry and claim well, dry can mean wet.



“Seems to me it is you who is arguing with scripture if you claim the following Judgement of 1st century Israel took place, while also claiming the Lord of the Vineyard did NOT come and do it....”



Did anyone see Christ descending from Heaven in the first century to judge Israel?



“Here's what Imminent means:

m·mi·nent

/ˈimənənt/

adjective

  1. 1.
    about to happen.
    "they were in imminent danger of being swept away"
    synonyms: impending, at hand, close, near, approaching, fast approaching, about to happen
Nothing about "Could be tomorrow or in 2000 years".

Such is a totally made up, make believe definition that, again, renders the word completley meaningLESS.



When something is wet you don't describe it as dry and claim well, dry can mean wet.”



Why did Peter declare that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day when it comes to things to come? Why did he say that the Lord does not view slowness the way we might perceive slowness? (2 Pet. 3:9)

Is it not because though the coming of the Lord might seem like a long time in coming from our perspective is that it is not necessarily so from His? And if God does not count slowness the way we might count slowness, then neither does He count “soon” and “quickly” the way we may perceive it.

There is a reason why most foretellings and prophecies in scripture do not have a date and time attached to them.
 
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Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

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Which will be made manifest when the new heavens and new earth are created, but how does this directly relate to the topic of this thread?
 
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Paul said He comes "In Flaming fire" in the passage below.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


In Psalm 2 the potter smashes the flawed pottery with the rod of Iron, instead of correcting it like a school-master.

In 2 Timothy 4:1, Paul reveals that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.

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“In Psalm 2 the potter smashes the flawed pottery with the rod of Iron, instead of correcting it like a school-master. In 2 Timothy 4:1, Paul reveals that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.”


The wicked He smashes like a clay pot because they refuse both God’s love and mercy and retaliate against correction. But what is your point?
 
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When Paul stated that all of Israel would be saved (Rom. 11:27) yet only a remnant, (Rom. 9:27) he meant what would be left of the nation of Israel at the time that they finally receive Christ as their Messiah.

Since the Abrahamic bloodline is ubiquitous within the entire population of the planet, what characteristic(s) will God use to determine who qualifies as members of the "nation of Israel"?
 
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Which will be made manifest when the new heavens and new earth are created, but how does this directly relate to the topic of this thread?


Based on the passage below, the Body of Christ is gathered on "the day of the Lord" when He "comes as a thief".

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.



2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Peter was looking for the New Heavens, and the New Earth, on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief.
I am looking for the same thing.


In the passage below Paul said the fire comes at His return.
This agrees with what Peter said above.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


If this rotten, sin-cursed world burns at His return, on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief", as indicated by both Peter, and Paul, the fulfillment of the New Covenant land promise is found in Hebrews 11:15-16.

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Since the Abrahamic bloodline is ubiquitous within the entire population of the planet, what characteristic(s) will God use to determine who qualifies as members of the "nation of Israel"?


From what patriarchal line was Israel descended?
 
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From what patriarchal line was Israel descended?


Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

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From what patriarchal line was Israel descended?

The ubiquitous Abrahamic bloodline means that Israel is in all of us, as the Jewish community concurs and asserts from the mathematical and empirical evidence; and thus the entirety of humanity qualifies as the "nation of Israel".
 
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The ubiquitous Abrahamic bloodline means that Israel is in all of us, as the Jewish community concurs and asserts from the mathematical and empirical evidence; and thus the entirety of humanity qualifies as the "nation of Israel".
The House of Judah has retained their identity, why not the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes?
The fact is that the descendants of Israel/ Jacob who were taken into exile 135 years before Judah was taken to Babylon, they have forgotten their identity, as God planned it to be.
However, as Jesus came to save the lost sheep of Israel, it is a simple matter to identify who is Israel; the Christian peoples.

Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: every faithful Christian person are designated by God to be Israelites. Galatians 6:14-16
The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, who are the only one Church, only one elect, be they Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11
Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9

2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1
Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1

3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalms 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12
Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25

4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18
Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9

5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9
Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10

6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2
Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32

7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7
Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24

8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18
Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11

9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham: 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8
Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23

10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deuteronomy 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10
The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25
 
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Based on the passage below, the Body of Christ is gathered on "the day of the Lord" when He "comes as a thief".

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.



2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Peter was looking for the New Heavens, and the New Earth, on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief.
I am looking for the same thing.


In the passage below Paul said the fire comes at His return.
This agrees with what Peter said above.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


If this rotten, sin-cursed world burns at His return, on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief", as indicated by both Peter, and Paul, the fulfillment of the New Covenant land promise is found in Hebrews 11:15-16.

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The earthly promises will still precede the heavenly which will come to fruition when God creates the new heavens and the new earth
 
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The earthly promises will still precede the heavenly which will come to fruition when God creates the new heavens and the new earth

So says you, with not one verse of scripture posted above to back up your claim...

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

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The ubiquitous Abrahamic bloodline means that Israel is in all of us, as the Jewish community concurs and asserts from the mathematical and empirical evidence; and thus the entirety of humanity qualifies as the "nation of Israel".



If that were the case, then we should have no trouble qualifying for Israeli citizenship for in the eyes of the Jewish community, we would all, technically speaking, be Jews.
 
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So says you, with not one verse of scripture posted above to back up your claim...

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

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Revelation chapter 19: Millenial reign of Christ during which all earthly promises pertaining to Israel will be fulfilled but that would take an extensive study as to what will take place in the day the Lord returns to reign because most of what pertains to this era is found in passages of scripture such as Ezekiel 40-45 and Zechariah 14 but those passages are but a fraction of what is there.

Revelation chapters 21-22: The new heavens and the new earth; the day when we see that heavenly city prepared for us that will descend to earth.
 
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Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

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There were also other names in that genealogy as well.
 
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There were also other names in that genealogy as well.

Who is number one on the list, which is found in the first verse of the New Testament?

Mat 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

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“In Psalm 2 the potter smashes the flawed pottery with the rod of Iron, instead of correcting it like a school-master. In 2 Timothy 4:1, Paul reveals that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.”
The wicked He smashes like a clay pot because they refuse both God’s love and mercy and retaliate against correction. But what is your point?
That was fulfilled in 70ad's destruction of the Temple and Priesthood as shown in the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation........

Isa 27:9
Therefore by this the guilt of Jacob will be atoned for, and this will be the full fruit of the removal of his sin:
when he makes all the stones of the altars like chalkstones crushed to pieces, no Asherim or incense altars will remain standing.

Jer 18:6
He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the LORD. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel.
Jer 19:1
This is what the LORD says: “Go and buy a clay jar from a potter. Take along some of the elders of the people and of the priests
Zec 11:13
And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the handsome price at which they valued me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter at the house of the LORD.
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Mat 26:15
and said, “What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?” And they paid him thirty pieces of silver.
Mat 27:
3 Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders,
9 Then was fulfilled what had been spoken by the prophet Jeremiah, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him on whom a price had been set by some of the sons of Israel,

Luk 9:22
saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.”

Matthew 23:33
"Serpents! brood of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the gehenna <1067>

Revelation 2:27
and He shall shepherd them with an iron rod; as vessels of pottery are they broken in pieces, as I also have received from my Father;

Revelation 14:11

And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages..........
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Lam 1:19
“I called to my lovers, but they deceived me;
my priests and elders perished in the city,
while they sought food to revive their strength.

EZEKIEL 22 "GATHER HOUSE OF ISRAEL INTO JERUSALEM TO MELT IN FURNACE/GEHENNA/LAKE OF FIRE"

 
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Revelation chapter 19: Millenial reign of Christ during which all earthly promises pertaining to Israel will be fulfilled but that would take an extensive study as to what will take place in the day the Lord returns to reign because most of what pertains to this era is found in passages of scripture such as Ezekiel 40-45 and Zechariah 14 but those passages are but a fraction of what is there.

I believe you meant Revelation chapter 20...

How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46, to go into your version of the millennial reign?

How do your mortals survive the "flaming fire" at the return of Christ in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10?


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