Do you worship the sacrifice or the sacrificer?

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I don't like the title of this thread because I think it misleading, but as for what I believe is being asked of us, I'm with Carl Emerson. And Charsan is correct, too. It is just that the question didn't include the Holy Ghost. ;)
 
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I don't like the title of this thread because I think it misleading, but as for what I believe is being asked of us, I'm with Carl Emerson. And Charsan is correct, too. It is just that the question didn't include the Holy Ghost. ;)
What makes you think there are 2 spirits and both of them God?
 
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John 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
 
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Jesus says our Father has committed all judgment to Jesus, so that we will honor Jesus "just as" we honor our Father (John 5:22-23). So, yes, God wants us to worship our Father and Jesus.

And we worship Jesus who did the sacrifice. Your title says do we worship "the sacrifice"? Do you mean to say Jesus is the sacrifice? Or, by "sacrifice", do you mean His sacrificial action? It depends on what you mean. We worship Jesus, but we do not worship the action of sacrificing Himself. I think we should make this distinction.

What is important is we are commanded to follow the example of Jesus on the cross >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

Worshiping Jesus, then . . . I would say . . . includes following His example of how He was sweetly pleasing our Father and loving all of us, while Jesus was doing His sacrifice on the cross. This is how we are to make our sacrifices of loving any and all people while sweetly pleasing our Father.
 
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What makes you think there are 2 spirits and both of them God?
I believe what the Bible teaches us about the nature of the Godhead, that there is One God who exists from everlasting as three distinct Persons.

The doctrine of the Trinity/triune nature of the Godhead is not up for debate on any of our Christians Only boards here at CF, not even on the CT board, just FYI.

---David
 
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John 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
"For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist."
1 Corinthians 8:4

"But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe."
Hebrews 1:2
 
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I believe what the Bible teaches us about the nature of the Godhead, that there is One God who exists from everlasting as three distinct Persons.

The doctrine of the Trinity and triune nature of the Godhead is not up for debate on any of our Christians Only boards here at CF, not even on the CT board, just FYI.

---David
I don't wish to debate this topic.
I just want to know what people think they will see in heaven.

a) 2 spirits (Father/Holy Spirit), 1 Jesus
b) 1 spirit (Father), 1 Jesus
c) 3 spirits (Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit)

God is a Spirit. Is there 2 Gods. Why is there 2 spirits. Jesus is a God, but not a spirit.

I'm confused.
 
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We will see God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One God in three persons. From the Athanasian creed:

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.
 
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We will see God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One God in three persons. From the Athanasian creed:

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.
I don't believe in a Catholic doctrine.
 
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When the creed says catholic faith it does not mean catholicism but the universal faith. It means The faith that all Christians accept. The Nicene creed that you must accept to post here is a creed of catholic faith.
 
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Jesus is not "a"God, Jesus is part of the whole of God: Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Therefore Jesus is God.
You cannot separate any they are ALL one God.
As said before this is the Trinity.
All is in the Bible and you either believe it as Gods word or you don't.
If you don't believe it then you can't be Christian.

Our finite minds cannot truly totally understand the wonders of God but our faith and the Holy Spirit in us testifies of this truth.
 
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which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

Did Jesus say believe in God (even the Adversary does) or believe in the Gospel of the Kingdom (which the adversary will shun having no part of it)?

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

What gospel?

Matthew 9: 35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom

Mark 1: 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 4: 43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
 
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"For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist."
1 Corinthians 8:4
 
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