Is the Earth flat or round???

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I'm really starting to believe that our Earth is really flat and not a globe like the world leads us to believe and need others thoughts on this as well.

In Genesus 1:6-9 we read (lets look at the word firmament and what it's really saying) and in verses 14,15,17 it's talking about the sun and moon and stars

6,And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7,And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8,And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day
9,And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so.
14,And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15,And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
17,And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

There also been documentaries on earth being measured and found not to be round/globe as the world wants us to believe.

P.S copy and pasting from kjv blueletterbible thanks on any other thoughts on this.

Is the claim all planets flat?
 
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Oh, so you take everything in Genesis as literal but decide not to do the same with Revelation!

Pick and choose what suits your beliefs?

"It's literal unless I don't want it to be literal."
 
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That we are insignificant evolved monkeys

You think humans evolved from monkeys? It remains true; those who don't accept evolution, rarely know what it is.

flying through space on a rock orbiting the sun and that there are endless galaxies etc.

Demonstrably true, although there aren't "endless" galaxies, just an incredibly large number of them.
 
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That we are insignificant evolved monkeys flying through space on a rock orbiting the sun and that there are endless galaxies etc.

So is they key word insignificant? That would seem counterproductive for the devil who would want us to be self centered. Insignificant is rather humbling. Although we also believe that our significances is not our own but in Christ who loves us and died for us.
 
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If the earth is flat, how thick is it and what is on the other side?
This is a good question... However, one man cannot answer. The deepest holes ever drilled were barely a dent in the crust... if there is a "crust".

When Admiral Byrd went down to Antarctica for "Operation High Jump", He was set for many months of research. They found something though. Something so important that they came home and started firing nukes into high altitude... Both the US and Russia did this.

This whole operation was called Dominique (which means "of the Lord") and the Nukes were part of it called Operation Fish Bowl... Get it yet... Operation "Fish bowl of the Lord".

Kinda neat huh?

Also, about this time, Russia and the US had a contest to see who could dig or drill the deepest hole in the earths crust..

Now that makes it even more interesting, doesn't it?

One curious researcher asked this question.... "Would you not, if you discovered that you were in a container or cage, want to find out 1/ how high it was (nukes) and how deep it was (drilling)?

Shortly after...... NASA was born..... and now you know the rest of the story......

Things that make you go hmmmm.
 
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So is they key word insignificant? That would seem counterproductive for the devil who would want us to be self centered. Insignificant is rather humbling. Although we also believe that our significances is not our own but in Christ who loves us and died for us.
The way it goes is this:

Globe = random, insignificant, in the middle of nowhere, drifting aimlessly in a vast void of uncontrolled existence while the sun is the center.

FE = solid, significant, designed, purposeful, center of God's view and watch, not moving, and the focus of everything in the heavens.
 
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After a few months, a baby begins to realize that the world is knowable and can be tested. As time goes on, that realization is repeatedly reinforced. It takes a great deal of intense indoctrination to get a human to reject evidence and rely on authority.

Which is why flat-Earthers are so often creationists and legalistically religious.
Yep... and still to this day... not one experiment has proven that the earth moves or spins... in fact.... on of these experiments set out to prove such a thing failed... and is named as such a failure.
 
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The way it goes is this:

Globe = random, insignificant, in the middle of nowhere, drifting aimlessly in a vast void of uncontrolled existence while the sun is the center.

FE = solid, significant, designed, purposeful, center of God's view and watch, not moving, and the focus of everything in the heavens.


None of that follows. Globe is not random at all but the result of gravitational forces just like every other celestial body, designed by God. Not driving aimlessly but on a prescribed and predictable orbit. I can't t argue vastness. Vast beyond understanding. And the sun is not the center either. Open your mind to our infinite God. Your univers is too small.
 
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None of that follows. Globe is not random at all but the result of gravitational forces just like every other celestial body, designed by God. Not driving aimlessly but on a prescribed and predictable orbit. I can't t argue vastness. Vast beyond understanding. And the sun is not the center either. Open your mind to our infinite God. Your univers is too small.
None of that follows?

They say that all the planets and the earth formed from an explosion... and they are not random?

The earth is supposed to orbit the sun.. the sun is moving through space in a galaxy which is also moving through space.... we are traveling billions of miles an hours through a void.... That is not aimless?

My universe is too small? I thought God said that the earth was His footstool?

So, in comparison to a snow globe, sitting on pillars at Gods feet..... Which model is more designed? Which is more random? Which is more planted and which is moving more aimlessly? Which one is more purposeful and which one is more aimless?
 
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Yep... and still to this day... not one experiment has proven that the earth moves or spins... in fact.... on of these experiments set out to prove such a thing failed... and is named as such a failure.

So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the movement of a Foucault pendulum other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the Coriolis effect other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the fact that one can launch larger payloads into space when launching eastward close to the equator, other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation as to why a large earthquake very slightly changed the apparent movement of the stars immediately after, other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to offer any explanation as to the observed rotation of the Earth from the moon other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to offer any explanation for the direction of prevailing winds other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to explain the apparently faster-than-light speeds of various astronomical objects, other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to explain the precise timing of the tides other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to explain the changes in the length of day other than by the Earth's rotation.
 
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Which model is more designed? Which is more random? Which is more planted and which is moving more aimlessly? Which one is more purposeful and which one is more aimless?

Which is in accordance with the observable facts?

So, in comparison to a snow globe, sitting on pillars at Gods feet.....

If you think "God's footstool" can't be millions of light-years across, your view of God is too small.
 
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So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the movement of a Foucault pendulum other than the Earth's rotation.

So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the Coriolis effect other than the Earth's rotation.

Not to mention the observed motion of the stars.
 
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So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the movement of a Foucault pendulum other than the Earth's rotation.
Foucault's Pendulum reverses direction during an eclipse... denies it being motivated by a rotation of the earth.

So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the Coriolis effect other than the Earth's rotation.

Coriolis effect is never used in military long range shots whether snipers or heavy artillery. They will factor in a large number of factors.... never the "Coriolis" effect. Air liners are never affected by this so called "effect". Even on long trips.

So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation for the fact that one can launch larger payloads into space when launching eastward close to the equator, other than the Earth's rotation.
Of course... only NASA would be able to give proof of this...right?


So far, no one has been able to offer an explanation as to why a large earthquake very slightly changed the apparent movement of the stars immediately after, other than the Earth's rotation.
Not proof of a rotation.. just a shift in the luminary movement attributed to a non measurable concept.

So far, no one has been able to offer any explanation as to the observed rotation of the Earth from the moon other than the Earth's rotation.


Nobody has observed anything "from the moon".... Again... NASA......Seriously?

So far, no one has been able to offer any explanation for the direction of prevailing winds other than the Earth's rotation.

Direction of wind is based on the direction of the rising of the sun and high pressure verse low pressure... Supposed rotation is a theory based on a concept.


So far, no one has been able to explain the apparently faster-than-light speeds of various astronomical objects, other than the Earth's rotation.
Now.. the speed of astronomical objects is proof of the spin of the earth... Really Barb... your grasping in a lot of these.. Not proof's... theories applied as grasping at straws.

So far, no one has been able to explain the precise timing of the tides other than the Earth's rotation.
Tides.... rotation... seriously? This is the simply moon and sun... maybe proof of gravity if anything.. not rotation.

So far, no one has been able to explain the changes in the length of day other than by the Earth's rotation.

A lot of these are simply explained in the FE models.... Not by the globe only.. Not proof of rotation.. just of the moon and sun moving which is obvious.
 
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Which is in accordance with the observable facts?
Check out the FE model... there are many explanations for the "observable facts".
Scientific experiments cannot indicate rotation or motion.



If you think "God's footstool" can't be millions of light-years across, your view of God is too small.

Says you.... right? Just an opinion...right?
 
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