Question for Sabbatarians

[klutedavid]

God begins the week after the Sabbath.

The first day in Genesis was not after a seventh day!

So the first day of the week
does not follow the seventh day?

Your struggling here because you still fail to understand the ancient lunar month.

There is more then one week in a month.
One week follows the next, that follows
the next, that follows the next, that follows
the next.,......................................

Your using the papal calendar and that is only true of the papal calendar.

In a lunar calendar or lunisolar calendar the weeks do not follow a cycle like they do on a solar calendar.

The is no weekly cycle break, going
from one month to another.

The lunar month is different to a solar month.

You said a new month was always on Monday
[the 2nd day of the week.]

Here I will give you a simple example.

Using the popes calendar;
today is Tuesday 16th July 2019

Using the Hebrew calendar;
today is 13th Tamuz 5779

So the next Sabbath using the ancient Hebrew calendar is on the 15th of Tamuz. That would correspond to a pope time of Thursday the 18th.

 

[pasifika]

Jesus relieved the suffering of man on the Sabbath. He healed. We must taker care of the sick, elderly, animals and the young. Our work and our own pleasures are pretty obvious things---paid work, labor out in the fields (gardening)P and so on--not buying or selling---Things that distract our minds from Him. Not all that complicated!
BTW---you know the best way to study a subject----do something else! When you come back to the subject, you mind actually works better. It was a trick I was taught in grade school that helped me in my studies. Worked great--had a 3.8 grade average---worked for everything except math---always hated numbers and anything like that just fries my brain and I can't think and will be overwhelmed! Had it not bee for math, I'd have had a 4.0 and it still rankles--I hate the prophecies---too many numbers!

Hello, thank you for the advice...

Jesus did not relieved the suffering of man on the sabbath But HEALED THEM COMPLETELY...so the Same We must Also Do, to show the world that God is with Us...
As Jesus said in John 14:12..." Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in Me will do the work I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father...

So the works that you said we must do, like...looking after the sick, elderly, animals Doesn't make Us (believer) different from the unbeliever, because they can also do those things....
BUT,
The work that Jesus shows and commanded us to do John 14:12 makes Us different from the Unbeliever.

It shows that we are Children of God...

So I think the big question is, " What must we do to do the works God requires?

If we get the answer then we will know when we will enter into His Sabbath, the Sabbath He made for Man...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Hello, there a lot of people during the time of Noah but never mentioned they observed the 7th day Sabbath...

And if it a day that need to be remembered than why is not mentioned often in Genesis but from Exodus the Sabbath is mentioned a lot of the time...

Yes no doubt there are other people came with the children of Israel from Egypt but they have to belong to one of the 12 tribes (circumcision etc)

Why do you think He said to REMEMBER it at Sinai?

 

[pasifika]

And what God did in not providing manna on the 7th was not for Him to rest or everything would stop and we would all die---it was to prevent them from laboring for their bread on that day.

Hello, I think God was showing them they should also cease from

Why do you think He said to REMEMBER it at Sinai?

Hello, if God Only say to the Israelites to remember the Sabbath day meaning they would forget, than tell me whether the Gentiles observed the 7th day Sabbath in the Old Testament or in Genesis since God knows they would Not forget...

 

[pasifika]

And what God did in not providing manna on the 7th was not for Him to rest or everything would stop and we would all die---it was to prevent them from laboring for their bread on that day.

Hello, God did not given manna on the 7th day, is to show His people not to do any work just as He stop from providing them manna on that day...

 

[mmksparbud]

Hello, thank you for the advice...

Jesus did not relieved the suffering of man on the sabbath But HEALED THEM COMPLETELY...so the Same We must Also Do, to show the world that God is with Us...
As Jesus said in John 14:12..." Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in Me will do the work I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father...

So the works that you said we must do, like...looking after the sick, elderly, animals Doesn't make Us (believer) different from the unbeliever, because they can also do those things....
BUT,
The work that Jesus shows and commanded us to do John 14:12 makes Us different from the Unbeliever.

It shows that we are Children of God...

So I think the big question is, " What must we do to do the works God requires?

If we get the answer then we will know when we will enter into His Sabbath, the Sabbath He made for Man...

LOL! You don't think that healing the sick is relieving the suffering??!!! Yah---the unbeliever can also help with the misery of man---so what??? We do whatever we need to do to help those we can. So if you can heal completely---you go right ahead and do so. I'm in a wheelchair---come on over and do your thing.The unbeliever can also not murder, not steal, not covet nor commit adultery---so? I was a dialysis tech for 20 years---I never was able to heal completely a single one of them, all I could do was to help them live longer. Though there were a few that all they needed were a few treatments and then their own kidneys opened.

 

[mmksparbud]

Hello, God did not given manna on the 7th day, is to show His people not to do any work just as He stop from providing them manna on that day...

LOL! You have that backwards---He didn't give them manna so they would not work---=He kept on working keeping the whole universe going! How long you think you can survive if God quite doing anything at all??? Try holding your breath for 24 hours.

 

[pasifika]

LOL! You have that backwards---He didn't give them manna so they would not work---=He kept on working keeping the whole universe going! How long you think you can survive if God quite doing anything at all??? Try holding your breath for 24 hours.

Hello, just read the 10 commandments about the Sabbath and the reason why God gave to them for...Exodus 20:8

 

[mmksparbud]

Hello, just read the 10 commandments about the Sabbath and the reason why God gave to them for...Exodus 20:8

I know why He gave it---keep reading:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[pasifika]

LOL! You don't think that healing the sick is relieving the suffering??!!! Yah---the unbeliever can also help with the misery of man---so what??? We do whatever we need to do to help those we can. So if you can heal completely---you go right ahead and do so. I'm in a wheelchair---come on over and do your thing.The unbeliever can also not murder, not steal, not covet nor commit adultery---so? I was a dialysis tech for 20 years---I never was able to heal completely a single one of them, all I could do was to help them live longer. Though there were a few that all they needed were a few treatments and then their own kidneys opened.

Hello, is relieving the suffering of a sick the same as healing completely?? I see relieving as a temporary measure and healed is fully recovered...

Just as Jesus perform those works of healing the sick, open eyes of the blind, raise the dead etc...is the kind of work that the people of God must also shows as Jesus said in John 14:12...

Only the believer will be able to perform those work Not the Unbeliever...

If No One can Do that then we still work to do...If we find what work God want us to do...then we will do exactly as Jesus do...

I cannot healed people completely because my faith is not mature yet and my hope is to grow to become like Jesus...as 1John 2:6..."Whoever claims to live in Him must live as Jesus did...

1John 4:17...." In this world we are like JESUS...

 

[pasifika]

I know why He gave it---keep reading:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

LOL! You have that backwards---He didn't give them manna so they would not work---=He kept on working keeping the whole universe going! How long you think you can survive if God quite doing anything at all??? Try holding your breath for 24 hours.

Hello, I didn't say God stop working keeping the Universe going, but stop giving manna on the 7th day...

 

[mmksparbud]

Hello, is relieving the suffering of a sick the same as healing completely?? I see relieving as a temporary measure and healed is fully recovered...

Just as Jesus perform those works of healing the sick, open eyes of the blind, raise the dead etc...is the kind of work that the people of God must also shows as Jesus said in John 14:12...

Only the believer will be able to perform those work Not the Unbeliever...

If No One can Do that then we still work to do...If we find what work God want us to do...then we will do exactly as Jesus do...

I cannot healed people completely because my faith is not mature yet and my hope is to grow to become like Jesus...as 1John 2:6..."Whoever claims to live in Him must live as Jesus did...

1John 4:17...." In this world we are like JESUS...

You go right ahead and heal completely. Those of us who can't, will have to settle for just helping out as we can. Have you tried turning water to wine? That might be easier to start with.

 

[mmksparbud]

Hello, I didn't say God stop working keeping the Universe going, but stop giving manna on the 7th day...

Yes, that what it says.

 

[pasifika]

You go right ahead and heal completely. Those of us who can't, will have to settle for just helping out as we can. Have you tried turning water to wine? That might be easier to start with.

Hello, you don't think God can do that through You??? Is not me or you but God who does it through Us just as He did it through Jesus He can Do through Us....

This is called Faith...Hebrews 11:6..." Anyone who comes to Him must believe that He Exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him...

 

[pasifika]

Yes, that what it says.[/QUOTE
Hello, did I said God stop from keeping the world going??

 

[Semper-Fi]

Semper-Fi said: ↑
God begins the week after the Sabbath.

The first day in Genesis was not after a seventh day!

The second week was, the third week was ,
the 4th week was, the 5th week was and so on......

You are Splitting hairs here. A week is 7 days long,
after the 7th day is the 1st day again. This
has been going on since God made the Sabbath.

the first day of the work week on Gods calendar
now starts, after the Sabbath has passed. Mark 16:1
-

Semper-Fi said: ↑

You said a new month was always on Monday
[the 2nd day of the week.]

Here I will give you a simple example.

Using the popes calendar;
today is Tuesday 16th July 2019

Using the Hebrew calendar;
today is 13th Tamuz 5779

So the next Sabbath using the ancient Hebrew calendar is on the 15th of Tamuz. That would correspond to a pope time of Thursday the 18th.

First, that was not an example of a new
lunar month always starting on a Monday.

I showed link where the day of the week changes,
so please show link where every [lunar month]
starts on [a Monday] or 2nd day week.

Second this is False, the Sabbath is not on Thursday
this week. The 7th day Sabbath has never been on
a Thursday, or the 5th day of the week.

The Hebrew calendar has 17 Tammuz, 5779,
as a Shabbat, or Sabbath on July 20, 2019
Shabbat, Tammuz 17, 5779 / July 20, 2019 - Jewish Calendar

Lands on a Saturday, or the 7th day of the week.
Not on Thursday the 18th of July[5th day week].

Please show link where Thursday this week is
a Sabbath of Gods. Please show link that 15th
of Tamuz this year is a weekly Sabbath.
Please give me a link that shows every new moon
starting on a Monday, like you claim.
-

Jewish Calendar 5779

Jewish Calendar Gregorian Calendar

1 Nisan 5779 April 6 2019 (Saturday)

30 Nisan 5779 May 5 2019 (Sunday)
1 Iyyar 5779 May 6 2019 (Monday)

Sunday followed by a Monday

29 Iyyar 5779 June 3 2019 (Monday)
1 Sivan 5779 June 4 2019 (Tuesday)

Monday followed by a Tuesday

30 Sivan 5779 July 3 2019 (Wednesday)
1 Tammuz 5779 July 4 2019 (Thursday)

Wednesday followed by a Thursday

29 Tammuz 5779 August 1 2019 (Thursday)
1 Av 5779 August 2 2019 (Friday)

Thursday followed by a Friday

30 Av 5779 August 31 2019 (Saturday)
1 Elul 5779 September 1 2019 (Sunday)

Saturday followed by a Sunday

29 Elul 5779 September 29 2019 (Sunday)

Sunday followed by a ........
-

Notice every new month does not start on a Monday.
Notice also no where does the calendar lose days of
the week when going from one month to the other.

29 Adar II 5779 April 5 2019 (Friday)
1 Nisan 5779 April 6 2019 (Saturday)

29 Adar II 5780 March 25 2020 (Wednesday)
1 Nisan 5780 March 26 2020 (Thursday)

Notice also no break in the weekly cycle,
at the start of the new years.

 

[klutedavid]

Semper-Fi said: ↑
God begins the week after the Sabbath.



The second week was, the third week was ,
the 4th week was, the 5th week was and so on......

You are Splitting hairs here. A week is 7 days long,
after the 7th day is the 1st day again. This
has been going on since God made the Sabbath.

the first day of the work week on Gods calendar
now starts, after the Sabbath has passed. Mark 16:1
-

Semper-Fi said: ↑

You said a new month was always on Monday
[the 2nd day of the week.]



First, that was not an example of a new
lunar month always starting on a Monday.

I showed link where the day of the week changes,
so please show link where every [lunar month]
starts on [a Monday] or 2nd day week.

Second this is False, the Sabbath is not on Thursday
this week. The 7th day Sabbath has never been on
a Thursday, or the 5th day of the week.

The Hebrew calendar has 17 Tammuz, 5779,
as a Shabbat, or Sabbath on July 20, 2019
Shabbat, Tammuz 17, 5779 / July 20, 2019 - Jewish Calendar

Lands on a Saturday, or the 7th day of the week.
Not on Thursday the 18th of July[5th day week].

Please show link where Thursday this week is
a Sabbath of Gods. Please show link that 15th
of Tamuz this year is a weekly Sabbath.
Please give me a link that shows every new moon
starting on a Monday, like you claim.
-

Jewish Calendar 5779

Jewish Calendar Gregorian Calendar

1 Nisan 5779 April 6 2019 (Saturday)

30 Nisan 5779 May 5 2019 (Sunday)
1 Iyyar 5779 May 6 2019 (Monday)

Sunday followed by a Monday

29 Iyyar 5779 June 3 2019 (Monday)
1 Sivan 5779 June 4 2019 (Tuesday)

Monday followed by a Tuesday

30 Sivan 5779 July 3 2019 (Wednesday)
1 Tammuz 5779 July 4 2019 (Thursday)

Wednesday followed by a Thursday

29 Tammuz 5779 August 1 2019 (Thursday)
1 Av 5779 August 2 2019 (Friday)

Thursday followed by a Friday

30 Av 5779 August 31 2019 (Saturday)
1 Elul 5779 September 1 2019 (Sunday)

Saturday followed by a Sunday

29 Elul 5779 September 29 2019 (Sunday)

Sunday followed by a ........
-

Notice every new month does not start on a Monday.
Notice also no where does the calendar lose days of
the week when going from one month to the other.

29 Adar II 5779 April 5 2019 (Friday)
1 Nisan 5779 April 6 2019 (Saturday)

29 Adar II 5780 March 25 2020 (Wednesday)
1 Nisan 5780 March 26 2020 (Thursday)

Notice also no break in the weekly cycle,
at the start of the new years.

You are deeply confused my friend.

You said.

The Hebrew calendar has 17 Tammuz, 5779, as a Shabbat

Can you see your mistake?

The Hebrew month starts when the new moon is visible. The Hebrew month does not start at the end of the previous Hebrew month. Do you understand this?

The solar calendar month follows the previous solar month. This is not the case with the Hebrew lunar month calendar. Once again, the Hebrew month begins on the new moon and not at the end of the previous month.

No matter if a Hebrew celebrates the seventh day counted from the new moon or the first day is counted after the new moon day. The Sabbaths will always occur on exactly the same days in the Hebrew month regardless.

The seventh day, the fourteenth day, the twenty first day of the month, e.t.c. This is true of every Hebrew month.

Counting after the new moon day, the eighth day, fifteenth day, twenty second day of the month, e.t.c. This also is true of every Hebrew month.

You quoted the '17 Tammuz' as a Sabbath and that is impossible. Sabbath on the Hebrew calendar is never on a seventeenth day, never, ever can that be true.

Your converting from a lunar calendar to a solar calendar and destroying the Hebrew Sabbath days.

Your following a papal calendar which is a sequential solar calendar. The Hebrew calendar is not a sequential calendar.

 

[klutedavid]

Semper-Fi said: ↑
God begins the week after the Sabbath.



The second week was, the third week was ,
the 4th week was, the 5th week was and so on......

You are Splitting hairs here. A week is 7 days long,
after the 7th day is the 1st day again. This
has been going on since God made the Sabbath.

the first day of the work week on Gods calendar
now starts, after the Sabbath has passed. Mark 16:1
-

Semper-Fi said: ↑

You said a new month was always on Monday
[the 2nd day of the week.]



First, that was not an example of a new
lunar month always starting on a Monday.

I showed link where the day of the week changes,
so please show link where every [lunar month]
starts on [a Monday] or 2nd day week.

Second this is False, the Sabbath is not on Thursday
this week. The 7th day Sabbath has never been on
a Thursday, or the 5th day of the week.

The Hebrew calendar has 17 Tammuz, 5779,
as a Shabbat, or Sabbath on July 20, 2019
Shabbat, Tammuz 17, 5779 / July 20, 2019 - Jewish Calendar

Lands on a Saturday, or the 7th day of the week.
Not on Thursday the 18th of July[5th day week].

Please show link where Thursday this week is
a Sabbath of Gods. Please show link that 15th
of Tamuz this year is a weekly Sabbath.
Please give me a link that shows every new moon
starting on a Monday, like you claim.
-

Jewish Calendar 5779

Jewish Calendar Gregorian Calendar

1 Nisan 5779 April 6 2019 (Saturday)

30 Nisan 5779 May 5 2019 (Sunday)
1 Iyyar 5779 May 6 2019 (Monday)

Sunday followed by a Monday

29 Iyyar 5779 June 3 2019 (Monday)
1 Sivan 5779 June 4 2019 (Tuesday)

Monday followed by a Tuesday

30 Sivan 5779 July 3 2019 (Wednesday)
1 Tammuz 5779 July 4 2019 (Thursday)

Wednesday followed by a Thursday

29 Tammuz 5779 August 1 2019 (Thursday)
1 Av 5779 August 2 2019 (Friday)

Thursday followed by a Friday

30 Av 5779 August 31 2019 (Saturday)
1 Elul 5779 September 1 2019 (Sunday)

Saturday followed by a Sunday

29 Elul 5779 September 29 2019 (Sunday)

Sunday followed by a ........
-

Notice every new month does not start on a Monday.
Notice also no where does the calendar lose days of
the week when going from one month to the other.

29 Adar II 5779 April 5 2019 (Friday)
1 Nisan 5779 April 6 2019 (Saturday)

29 Adar II 5780 March 25 2020 (Wednesday)
1 Nisan 5780 March 26 2020 (Thursday)

Notice also no break in the weekly cycle,
at the start of the new years.

Monday is the first day of the week according to the international standard ISO 8601, but in the US, Canada, and Japan it's counted as the second day of the week. (timeanddate.com)

Now I know why you are confused to some extent.

Monday is the first day of the week all around the world!

 

[Semper-Fi]

The Sabbaths will always occur on exactly the same days in the Hebrew month regardless.

The seventh day, the fourteenth day, the twenty first day of the month, e.t.c. This is true of every Hebrew month.

You quoted the '17 Tammuz' as a Sabbath and that is impossible. Sabbath on the Hebrew calendar is never on a seventeenth day, never, ever can that be true.

Impossible?

Funny I found exactly that on the Hebrew
calendar, with links posted above.
Again you babel without posting a link for this.
Please show a link to backup your view here.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Monday is the first day of the week according to the international standard ISO 8601, but in the US, Canada, and Japan it's counted as the second day of the week. (timeanddate.com)

Now I know why you are confused to some extent.

Monday is the first day of the week all around the world!

And that has nothing to do with Gods Oracles.
Gods calendar has 6 days of work, then a 7th day Sabbath rest .