Question for Sabbatarians

[pasifika]

Read Genesis and then what Yeshua said

Cannot find scripture which mentioned the 7th day Sabbath was given to man in Genesis...

But only in Exodus 16:23..."....This is what the Lord commanded; "Tomorrow is to be a Sabbath rest, a Holy Sabbath to the Lord...

This is a specific command to man to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy...and in this case God was speaking to the Israelite only...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Hello, so why was there no manna on the 7th day? Yes God does not need rest, but He can stop working right?

because it was the Sabbath...before Sinai...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Cannot find scripture which mentioned the 7th day Sabbath was given to man in Genesis...

But only in Exodus 16:23..."....This is what the Lord commanded; "Tomorrow is to be a Sabbath rest, a Holy Sabbath to the Lord...

This is a specific command to man to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy...and in this case God was speaking to the Israelite only...

Who else was there in Genesis? Yeshua clarifies it. BTW, there was a MIXED multitude that came out of Egypt and to Sinai. They became part of The Nation in that Covenant. Same with the current Covenant with Yeshua...gentiles are grafted in...

 

[pasifika]

because it was the Sabbath...before Sinai...

So who stop working first?? Clearly God stop ....No manna fall on the 7th day..

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So who stop working first?? Clearly God stop ....No manna fall on the 7th day..

But double fell on the 6th day...read what happened...

 

[pasifika]

Who else was there in Genesis? Yeshua clarifies it. BTW, there was a MIXED multitude that came out of Egypt and to Sinai. They became part of The Nation in that Covenant. Same with the current Covenant with Yeshua...gentiles are grafted in...

Hello, there a lot of people during the time of Noah but never mentioned they observed the 7th day Sabbath...

And if it a day that need to be remembered than why is not mentioned often in Genesis but from Exodus the Sabbath is mentioned a lot of the time...

Yes no doubt there are other people came with the children of Israel from Egypt but they have to belong to one of the 12 tribes (circumcision etc)

 

[pasifika]

But double fell on the 6th day...read what happened...

Hello, so your point is? Yes double fell on the sixth day but nothing on the seventh day...did man stop God from making manna or God stop making manna on the seventh day???

Exodus 16:27..mention that people went out on the 7th day to collect manna on the but they found none....

This clearly shows that they have not used to the 7th day Sabbath as a day to be kept holy....

God Already commanded the Israelites prior regarding the 7th day not collect any manna Exodus 16:23

 

[eleos1954]

1. Why is the Sabbath the only one of the ten commandments that are said to be "throughout your generations", the usual phrase that indicates it was a temporary ceremonial law only for the Jews?

From Bible.ca

Christians are not under the Mosaic law (Galatians 5:18). The Ten Commandments, as given to Israel, were apart of the Old Testament convenant (Deuteronomy 4:13). We aren't under that covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6).

If you wish to claim modern day believers must observe the Seventh day sabbath as the nation of Israel did, the Bible is not on your side and you teach false doctrine.

observing the 7th Sabbath is a must for some .... and a must not for others. So .... oh my ... people who keep the Sabbath teach false doctrine? Really? Jesus kept the Sabbath and He was/is God.

and for those who say he kept it because He was a Jew ... Is God a Jew?
He was fully God in the form of a man.

He was pleased to keep the Sabbath because He created it, bless it and sanctified it (just like He does with us by the way) and He is Lord over it and Lord over us. He is our perfect example in everything!

... so was Jesus by keeping the 7th day Sabbath showing us an example of false doctrine? Of course not! and neither are those who keep the 7th day Sabbath doing that either.

John 8:23

The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him."

1 Peter 2:21
For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.

Everybody worship on whatever day one wants to ...and it's ok to put forth scripture why one does or does not keep ....
but don't accuse people who worship on the Sabbath as being false teachers (who are you to say) ... because they are following Christs example and in doing that is not at all false doctrine teaching. We do so as a expression of our Love for Him and for no other reasons.

 

[pasifika]

observing the 7th Sabbath is a must for some .... and a must not for others. So .... oh my ... people who keep the Sabbath teach false doctrine? Really? Jesus kept the Sabbath and He was/is God.

and for those who say he kept it because He was a Jew ... Is God a Jew?
He was fully God in the form of a man.

He was pleased to keep the Sabbath because He created it, bless it and sanctified it (just like He does with us by the way) and He is Lord over it and Lord over us. He is our perfect example in everything!

... so was Jesus by keeping the 7th day Sabbath showing us an example of false doctrine? Of course not! and neither are those who keep the 7th day Sabbath doing that either.

John 8:23

The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him."

1 Peter 2:21
For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.

Everybody worship on whatever day one wants to ...and it's ok to put forth scripture why one does or does not keep ....
but don't accuse people who worship on the Sabbath as being false teachers (who are you to say) ... because they are following Christs example and in doing that is not at all false doctrine teaching. We do so as a expression of our Love for Him and for no other reasons.

Hello I think the 7th day Sabbath was point to Christ as sign between God and the Israelites..the Son of Man...

Luke 24:27...And beginning with Moses and All the Prophets, He explained to them what was said in All the scriptures concerning HIMSELF...

that's pretty much the whole Old Testament...

 

[eleos1954]

Hello I think the 7th day Sabbath was point to Christ as sign between God and the Israelites..the Son of Man...

Luke 24:27...And beginning with Moses and All the Prophets, He explained to them what was said in All the scriptures concerning HIMSELF...

that's pretty much the whole Old Testament...

"All the scriptures concerning HIMSELF..."

Yes that would be correct ... beginning with Moses including ....

I am the Lord thy God I change not
and
the 10 commandments He gave to Moses on Mount Siani

and the son of man is even Lord of the Sabbath

Hello I think the 7th day Sabbath was point to Christ as sign between God and the Israelites..the Son of Man...

Luke 24:27...And beginning with Moses and All the Prophets, He explained to them what was said in All the scriptures concerning HIMSELF...

that's pretty much the whole Old Testament...

Who created the Sabbath? God did ...

Mark 2:27

Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made (pointing back to Genesis) for man (mankind), not man for the Sabbath. mankind includes everybody ... and don't we all accept that throughout scripture? that is ... mankind being everybody?

 

[Semper-Fi]

The Hebrew calendar was never a solar calendar.

God’s calendar is luni-solar - Genesis 1:14 says
God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs,
and for seasons, and for days, and years.”

His holy days (as determined by the moon) in
their proper seasons (as determined by the sun).

a 19-year time cycle made up of 12 common years
(with 12 months) and 7 leap years (with 13 months).
For every 19 solar years, the moon revolves
around the Earth 235 times.

The Hebrew Bible, calendar and week are all part
of the oracles committed to the Jews for all mankind.

the Oracles of God

"This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles
[to give unto us]. Acts 7:38

"What advantage then hath the Jew?
or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto
them were committed [the oracles of God]".

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of [the oracles of God]; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."

Hebrews 5:12

"If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God]; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

"But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that
proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

 

[Semper-Fi]

The first day of a lunar month is always a Monday

The weekdays it fell on changed,
not locked to monday.

Beginning of new Hebrew month of Nisan.
the 1st month of the Hebrew year. Responds
to March or April on the Gregorian calendar.

Rosh Chodesh Nisan begins at sundown
on Wed, 25 March 2020.

Read more from ou.org ?

List of Dates
Rosh Chodesh Nisan begins on:
Fri, 16 March 2018 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5778)
Fri, 05 April 2019 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5779)
Wed, 25 March 2020 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5780)
Sat, 13 March 2021 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5781)
Fri, 01 April 2022 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5782)
Wed, 22 March 2023 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5783)
Mon, 08 April 2024 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5784)
Sat, 29 March 2025 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5785)
Wed, 18 March 2026 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5786)
Wed, 07 April 2027 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5787)

This year Passover is on Friday, April 19th.

Just as the month is not locked to monday,
Passover changes the week day it falls on.

Pesach begins at sundown on Wed, 08 April 2020.

List of Dates
Pesach begins on:
Fri, 30 March 2018 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5778)
Fri, 19 April 2019 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5779)
Wed, 08 April 2020 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5780)
Sat, 27 March 2021 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5781)
Fri, 15 April 2022 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5782)
Wed, 05 April 2023 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5783)
Mon, 22 April 2024 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5784)
Sat, 12 April 2025 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5785)
Wed, 01 April 2026 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5786)
Wed, 21 April 2027 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5787)

Only one convocation falls on the same day of
the week every year, we need to count to find
this day. What Feast would that be?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Passover begins on the 15th day of the Jewish month

The Lords Passover is the 14th of the first month.
The Lords Passover | YouVersion Search | The Bible App

(Numbers 9:5)(Joshua 5:10)(2 Chronicles 35:1)
Ezra’s time they were still keeping it on the 14th
(Ezra 6:19), and this was about 519 b.c.

But in the third century before Christ, when the
Jews were under Egyptian control , there was
a change made in the beginning of the day.
-

John referred to the festival as "feasts of the Jews"
The night Jesus Christ was betrayed, He and His
disciples prepared and kept the [Lords] Passover.

The Jews, however, kept it 24 hours later John 18:28
Who kept the right day?

The Jews celebrate a seven or an eight day Passover.

Why the discrepency?

The Lords Passover, and [the days of
unleavened bread] are 2 different Holy days.

The Lords Passover is the 14th of the first month.
Followed by The seven Days of unleavened bread

The 15th started with a [high holy day] no work.
The old testament calls this the night to be most
remembered. It was a feast day, The Passover
was a day to prepare for this feast.

The last day being a high holy day[no work]

It is only on a solar, papal calendar that the date of the Passover moves around.

That calendar revolves around fixing the date of
Easter in line with the spring equinox, ensuring
that the Catholic’s festivals fall at the right time
relative to Earth’s revolution around the sun.

 

[Semper-Fi]

The Sabbath was made by God resting, God
does not get weary, but he was [refreshed],

that He put His presence into this day
Making it Holy time. Just like the ground
was Holy because of Gods presence there.

As A man Jesus was still putting His presence
into this day, as [His custom was] and taught.

 

[pasifika]

"All the scriptures concerning HIMSELF..."

Yes that would be correct ... beginning with Moses including ....

I am the Lord thy God I change not
and
the 10 commandments He gave to Moses on Mount Siani

and the son of man is even Lord of the Sabbath


Who created the Sabbath? God did ...

Mark 2:27

Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made (pointing back to Genesis) for man (mankind), not man for the Sabbath. mankind includes everybody ... and don't we all accept that throughout scripture? that is ... mankind being everybody?

Hello, if God created the Sabbath then God himself in the flesh is Lord of the Sabbath...

Mark 2:27, i don't think is about the 7th day, unless David and his companions enter the Lord's house on the 7th day Sabbath when Jesus use that as an example in Mark 2:25...

Mankind does not mean everybody Genesis 5

 

[klutedavid]

God’s calendar is luni-solar - Genesis 1:14 says
God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs,
and for seasons, and for days, and years.”

His holy days (as determined by the moon) in
their proper seasons (as determined by the sun).

a 19-year time cycle made up of 12 common years
(with 12 months) and 7 leap years (with 13 months).
For every 19 solar years, the moon revolves
around the Earth 235 times.

The Hebrew Bible, calendar and week are all part
of the oracles committed to the Jews for all mankind.

the Oracles of God

"This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles
[to give unto us]. Acts 7:38

"What advantage then hath the Jew?
or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto
them were committed [the oracles of God]".

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of [the oracles of God]; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."

Hebrews 5:12

"If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God]; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

"But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that
proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

Excuse me, the months on the Hebrew calendar were lunar months. That means the start of any lunar month occurs when the new moon is seen.

The day on which a solar month occurs varies as you know, the first of January for example can be any day of the week.

This is not the case for a lunar calendar. The first day of any month is always just the first day itself.

You need to do your research.

The Hebrew calendar is a lunisolar calendar, meaning that months are based on lunar months, but years are based on solar years. (wikipedia)

The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month)
(Judaism 101)

The moon and it's phases in the night sky are the timepiece for the months.
(Hebrew4Christians.com)

The Jewish calendar is designed to keep in sync with Sun and Moon cycles, the sum of 12 lunar months is about 11 days shorter than a solar year. (timeanddate.com)

 

[klutedavid]

The weekdays it fell on changed,
not locked to monday.

Beginning of new Hebrew month of Nisan.
the 1st month of the Hebrew year. Responds
to March or April on the Gregorian calendar.

Rosh Chodesh Nisan begins at sundown
on Wed, 25 March 2020.

Read more from ou.org ?

List of Dates
Rosh Chodesh Nisan begins on:
Fri, 16 March 2018 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5778)
Fri, 05 April 2019 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5779)
Wed, 25 March 2020 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5780)
Sat, 13 March 2021 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5781)
Fri, 01 April 2022 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5782)
Wed, 22 March 2023 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5783)
Mon, 08 April 2024 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5784)
Sat, 29 March 2025 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5785)
Wed, 18 March 2026 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5786)
Wed, 07 April 2027 at sundown (1st of Nisan, 5787)




Just as the month is not locked to monday,
Passover changes the week day it falls on.

Pesach begins at sundown on Wed, 08 April 2020.

List of Dates
Pesach begins on:
Fri, 30 March 2018 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5778)
Fri, 19 April 2019 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5779)
Wed, 08 April 2020 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5780)
Sat, 27 March 2021 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5781)
Fri, 15 April 2022 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5782)
Wed, 05 April 2023 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5783)
Mon, 22 April 2024 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5784)
Sat, 12 April 2025 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5785)
Wed, 01 April 2026 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5786)
Wed, 21 April 2027 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5787)

Only one convocation falls on the same day of
the week every year, we need to count to find
this day. What Feast would that be?

Your confused and you need to do some research on lunar months!

 

[Semper-Fi]

Excuse me, the months on the Hebrew calendar were lunar months. That means the start of any lunar month occurs when the new moon is seen.

So you do not even believe you own links

From very early times, the Mesopotamian lunisolar calendar

Lunisolar calendar - Wikipedia
The Hebrew, Jain, Buddhist, Hindu and Kurdish as well as the traditional Burmese, Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan, Vietnamese,Mongolian and Korean calendars (in the east Asian cultural sphere), plus the ancient Hellenic, Coligny, and Babylonian calendars are all lunisolar.

Or you do not believe God?

God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs,
and for seasons, and for days, and years.”

It is not called a lunar calendar,
it is a lunar solar calendar

 

[mmksparbud]

So who stop working first?? Clearly God stop ....No manna fall on the 7th day..

AGAIN:
Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

God only ceased His work of creating this world for it was finished. He, Himself, has never ceased to work! He can not, for the universe itself would stop functioning on the day He did!
He never stopped the universe on the 7th day to rest. Jesus clearly said the sabbath was made for man---not the Jew and certainly not for God!
Why are you all going over and over the same things that have already been answered?? Maybe everyone should just reread these posts!

Your confused and you need to do some research on lunar months!

No need to. Ask any Jew what the 7th day is.

 

[klutedavid]

So you do not even believe you own links



Lunisolar calendar - Wikipedia
The Hebrew, Jain, Buddhist, Hindu and Kurdish as well as the traditional Burmese, Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan, Vietnamese,Mongolian and Korean calendars (in the east Asian cultural sphere), plus the ancient Hellenic, Coligny, and Babylonian calendars are all lunisolar.

It is not about whether the calendar is a lunar calendar or a lunisolar calendar. The name of the calendar varies from site to site and that is not important.

The Hebrew month was a lunar month and that is all that matters. Please understand that there is a distinctive difference between a lunar month and a solar month.

A lunar month starts on the first new moon.

Do you agree that the Hebrews followed a lunar month cycle?