conservative groups fight mindfulness in schools

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Your comment is ignorant and based off preconceived notions of what you think makes one a liberal. I have actually delved into Christian spirituality in many forms, at one time I attended a conservative church about a decade ago but I realized that at some point, the answers it was giving didn't seem to match up with my experience of the world, so I moved on. I have drunk that milk, and I decided it was not particularly good milk.
Thanks! I see no point in engaging with a person who doesn't read what others have posted and could care less. Bye.
 
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Most of the responses here certainly don't convince me that evangelicals have a certain, secure basis in truth. All I am really hearing is fear and defensiveness behind all these assertions that mindfulness is dangerous. And I think that sums up this thread.
 
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Most of the responses here certainly don't convince me that evangelicals have a certain, secure basis in truth. All I am really hearing is fear and defensiveness behind all these assertions that mindfulness is dangerous. And I think that sums up this thread.
Your not hearing is the problem.
 
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You really think that biblical morality is intrinsic? Is this because humans are so good at heart? It's true that God created humans with a conscience, but so often that inner thermometer for morality is broken through desensitization as evidenced throughout human history.

Basic things like "don't murder" have never been exclusive to Jewish and Christian societies.

Civil law, as a social principle, does not require a dependency upon the Decalogue. As the civil laws and governance of societies throughout history quite adequately illustrates.

No, human beings are not "so good at heart"; we are innately sinners. Let's not confuse socio-political issues with theology here.

Me thinks real history contradicts your statement. Consider all the mass murders throughout human history--the killing of millions of innocent unborn humans, the Ottoman Empire's genocide of Armenians, the Killing Fields, Nazi genocide under Hitler, Communist genocide under Stalin, to name a few.

Yep. Don't stop there, don't forget to mention America's genocide of the Native Americans, the institution of race-based chattel slavery, America's history of lynchings.

Nominally Christian societies produce an equal amount of evil as non-Christian ones. So I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is.

All I said was that the Ten Commandments isn't the basis of American civil law, nor is it necessary for a society to have a system of law.

Then there are the societies where practices such as cannibalism, euthanasia of the elderly, allowing deformed children to starve to death, the murder of women by their husbands, etc. are considered acceptable.

Yep, some pretty abhorrent things out in the world. Still unsure what this has to do with what I said.

And yes, the U.S., despite our Christian foundation for morality, has failed to treat all humans with dignity throughout our history, but I think that our track record on human rights is better than it is for most countries because of our Christian heritage.

And I don't think that's even true. We were among the last western nation to abolish slavery, our racialist policies which have existed into and permeated into the late 20th century and are still felt even now in the 21st century has resulted in grotesque amounts of injustice and violence against people of color.

Our healthcare is among the worst among the developed world. There is, right now, thousands of people being locked up in concentration camps along the border.

Our for-profit prison systems amount to little more than the re-institutionalization of slavery.

We're better than many countries, but we are--on the whole--subpar at best.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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There's a difference between somebody teaching mindfulness from a humanistic perspective, and a New Ager prone to wooly thinking who believes they have magical powers. The trances that New Agers engage in having nothing to do with mindfulness and Zen.

Well New Age is a mish mash of a bunch of religious practices such as Zen and Mindfulness, this is where north america got the exposure.
 
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If that's the case, then the "gateway" is always open, whatever one engages in. I would submit that trying to achieve a basic sanity and self-knowledge makes one less likely to be deluded, not moreso.
I think it's more of a young adults thing, since the gateway so to speak opens up at puberty anyway. Teaching it to anyone younger may be inviting stuff they can't handle.
 
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Basic things like "don't murder" have never been exclusive to Jewish and Christian societies.

Civil law, as a social principle, does not require a dependency upon the Decalogue. As the civil laws and governance of societies throughout history quite adequately illustrates.

No, human beings are not "so good at heart"; we are innately sinners. Let's not confuse socio-political issues with theology here.



Yep. Don't stop there, don't forget to mention America's genocide of the Native Americans, the institution of race-based chattel slavery, America's history of lynchings.

Nominally Christian societies produce an equal amount of evil as non-Christian ones. So I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is.

All I said was that the Ten Commandments isn't the basis of American civil law, nor is it necessary for a society to have a system of law.



Yep, some pretty abhorrent things out in the world. Still unsure what this has to do with what I said.



And I don't think that's even true. We were among the last western nation to abolish slavery, our racialist policies which have existed into and permeated into the late 20th century and are still felt even now in the 21st century has resulted in grotesque amounts of injustice and violence against people of color.

Our healthcare is among the worst among the developed world. There is, right now, thousands of people being locked up in concentration camps along the border.

Our for-profit prison systems amount to little more than the re-institutionalization of slavery.

We're better than many countries, but we are--on the whole--subpar at best.

-CryptoLutheran

I don't disagree with all of your opinions, but your comment is kind of an ultra-liberal rant, don't you think? I included factual information in my comments, not just opinion, but you don't seem to be interested in documenting what you say.

I'm afraid the public schools are producing citizens who don't know the difference between fact and opinion any more because they are encouraged to construct their own version of reality. It's called Constructivism, a revamping of Dewey's Progressivism, a form of liberalism that has been infiltrating our schools since the 1930s.

As a public school teacher, I was called on the carpet by the principal for teaching about the Protestant Reformation, which was explained in the state-approved history textbook issued to me by the school system. Do you not see what's wrong with this picture?

Christian truth is prohibited, and school children are being told that there is no such thing as objective truth while they are being led to "connect to the universe".... It's all a perfect setup for the antichrist to begin controlling the poor minions who wouldn't know truth if it bit them on the rear.
 
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I'm afraid the public schools are producing citizens who don't know the difference between fact and opinion any more because they are encouraged to construct their own version of reality. It's called Constructivism, a revamping of Dewey's Progressivism, a form of liberalism that has been infiltrating our schools since the 1930s.

The absence of reasoning is frightening. And the constant want for agreement and validation is shocking. There are many who are unable to cope with adult challenges and responsibilities. It’s mind boggling.
 
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My main concern is how this will evolve the growing landscape of that paranormal construct in which all hearts and minds are connected.

But whatever happens, whatever. :p

Good point. The mind meld! :eek:
 
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Well New Age is a mish mash of a bunch of religious practices such as Zen and Mindfulness, this is where north america got the exposure.

Zen isn't part of the New Age. New Age is a broad range of new religious movements, pseudoscience and wishful thinking, all having their roots primarily in America and England, not in Asia.
 
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Yeah, my bad, the '60s and '70s. I started school earlier than you, but I'm sure that the various states dumped these practices at different times.

Actually they did it when the Supreme Court ordered them to, which was in the 60s.

I'm glad you were not one of the Founding Fathers. At least some generations were exposed to the truth in public schools.

Except public schools didn’t exist at the time the nation was founded. They really didn’t come about until the early 1800s after most of the founders were gone. The first public schools were founded in New England in 1837 under Horace Mann.

Now, there is very little truth taught. Instead,

*Children are taught "outercourse" in sex education classes. They learn the lie that sex is okay as long as the girl doesn't get pregnant....
*They are taught to believe in themselves (a lie of the religion of humanism) instead of believing in the one true God of the Bible....
*And now, they are indoctrinated with New Age (i.e. more false religious) lies. This has been going on for decades and started with some of the early self-esteem programs used with elementary school children.

So what are we supposed to teach, Christianity in public schools?

It seems that anything and everything BUT Christianity is tolerated in so many public schools today! The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves!

Again, the Founding Fatgers wouldn’t have a clue because public schools were generally after their time.

It's interesting to me that Christians on a Christian forum would balk at the idea of Bible reading and prayer in the public schools. It couldn't be that most of these Christians attended public schools, could it? The indoctrination against these longstanding practices has worked!

I had a teacher friend, since passed away, who started teaching when prayer and Bible reading still happened in schools. He was a devout Christian, but he said that it was a good thing when mandatory prayer and Bible reading were removed. He told me that each day a student was required to come forward and read a verse from the Bible. The students picked the verse. Many times the student would simply say something like “Jesus wept, man” and sit down. They made a joke of it. The prayers were recited by teachers, but those who didn’t think it belonged in school made it very clear that they weren’t interested. BTW, if you lived in an area with a Jewish or Muslim majority, would you want your children to be required to hear their prayers?
 
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Zen isn't part of the New Age. New Age is a broad range of new religious movements, pseudoscience and wishful thinking, all having their roots primarily in America and England, not in Asia.

My understanding is that New Age has its roots in the Eastern religions, including Zen, which is a form of Buddhism.

According to Wikipedia, "Despite its highly eclectic nature, a number of beliefs commonly found within the New Age have been identified. Theologically, the New Age typically adopts a belief in a holistic form of divinity that imbues all of the universe, including human beings themselves."

This sounds an awful lot like pantheism, which is the foundation of Eastern religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Pantheism is the belief that God is all, or what's called the "Divine Unity." IOW, pantheists believe that all that exists is God.
 
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Zen isn't part of the New Age. New Age is a broad range of new religious movements, pseudoscience and wishful thinking, all having their roots primarily in America and England, not in Asia.
Having spent a long time with actual new agers, I know this not to be true.
 
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I had a teacher friend, since passed away, who started teaching when prayer and Bible reading still happened in schools. He was a devout Christian, but he said that it was a good thing when mandatory prayer and Bible reading were removed. He told me that each day a student was required to come forward and read a verse from the Bible. The students picked the verse. Many times the student would simply say something like “Jesus wept, man” and sit down. They made a joke of it. The prayers were recited by teachers, but those who didn’t think it belonged in school made it very clear that they weren’t interested. BTW, if you lived in an area with a Jewish or Muslim majority, would you want your children to be required to hear their prayers?
Really, I don't even know where to start with all that is wrong with this reasoning. So, since it's almost time to go to sleep where I live, I'll have to leave this til tomorrow. Hope you don't mind. :)
 
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