Law of sin and death?

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Fellowship offerings with salt are to be considered during a conversation.

When I said I hope you reconsider.
I could of also said, I hope you consider what I'm sharing.

When and how was it you began to lean toward sukkot being The birth time of The Lord?
Did you hear something from someone else that inclined your thoughts?
 
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Thinking as a Greek Christ or a Jewish Messiah?

There are miles of differences between the 2.

Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”


2 Corinthians 5:17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

Galatians 6:15. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.”
 
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Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”


2 Corinthians 5:17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

Galatians 6:15. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.”
A man is only a new creature if he be in Christ. Of course Yeshua the Christ was circumcised on the 8th day. Circumcision and uncircumcision are nothing, what matters is keeping the commandments of YHWH (1 Corinthians 7:19). Of course circumcision is a command of YHWH; circumcision means nothing without faith in Yeshua the Christ. Abraham walked by faith; so Abraham circumcised himself, he received the "seal of righteousness". Abraham circumcised his son Isaac on the 8th day keeping the command of YHWH. The law is not based on faith; but faith is based on the law. In others words your faith must be practiced lawfully.
 
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A man is only a new creature if he be in Christ. Of course Yeshua the Christ was circumcised on the 8th day. Circumcision and uncircumcision are nothing, what matters is keeping the commandments of YHWH (1 Corinthians 7:19). Of course circumcision is a command of YHWH; circumcision means nothing without faith in Yeshua the Christ. Abraham walked by faith; so Abraham circumcised himself, he received the "seal of righteousness". Abraham circumcised his son Isaac on the 8th day keeping the command of YHWH. The law is not based on faith; but faith is based on the law. In others words your faith must be practiced lawfully.
Galatians 5:2,3 “Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing...ye are fallen from grace”
 
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Galatians 5:2,3 “Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing...ye are fallen from grace”
Why would he say this? If he was preaching against circumcision why did he circumcise Timothy? Of course anyone circumcised must keep the whole law (Galatians 5:3) . Why would any faithful man be opposed to keep the whole law? Does the light of Torah promote "partiality" concerning the law? Any man that opposes the law of "circumcision on the 8th day"; teaches the law with partiality. Paul the son of a Pharisee was circumcised on the 8th day. Yeshua and Isaac were circumcised on the 8th day.
 
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Galatians 5:2,3 “Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing...ye are fallen from grace”
Romans 3:3 Then what is the advantage of being Jewish? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way. First of all, they were entrusted with the sayings of God. 3 So what if some did not trust? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 May it never be!

Romans 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.

The covenant of circumcision is an everlasting covenant.

Genesis 17:7 Yes, I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, in order to be your God and your seed’s God after you.

9 God also said to Abraham, “As for you, My covenant you must keep, you and your seed after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant that you must keep between Me and you and your seed after you: all your males must be circumcised. 11 You must be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and this will become a sign of the covenant between Me and you.



The point Paul was making is that circumcision was of no value ‘to a non-Jew’ unless they were going to convert to Judaism and take on the whole of Torah. Something Jacob makes clear in Acts 15 that they did not need to do. They will obtain no special grace or favor for such an act. The covenant of circumcision had nothing to do with salvation.

Yet the covenant of circumcision is also a covenant of grace.
 
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Why would he say this? If he was preaching against circumcision why did he circumcise Timothy? Of course anyone circumcised must keep the whole law (Galatians 5:3) . Why would any faithful man be opposed to keep the whole law? Does the light of Torah promote "partiality" concerning the law? Any man that opposes the law of "circumcision on the 8th day"; teaches the law with partiality. Paul the son of a Pharisee was circumcised on the 8th day. Yeshua and Isaac were circumcised on the 8th day.
Paul condescended to the weakness of others for a time. The Old covenant was gradually fading away ready to vanish. But it had not done so at that time. Men cannot go against their conscience until they have knowledge.

Paul was patient with many but put his foot down when they tried to circumcise Titus.

Paul says to the ones under the law he became as under the law.

Jesus said before he died, to the apostle’s, that he had many things to say and to judge but they were not able to bear it yet until the holy Ghost was given.
 
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Romans 3:3 Then what is the advantage of being Jewish? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way. First of all, they were entrusted with the sayings of God. 3 So what if some did not trust? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 May it never be!

Romans 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.

The covenant of circumcision is an everlasting covenant.

Genesis 17:7 Yes, I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, in order to be your God and your seed’s God after you.

9 God also said to Abraham, “As for you, My covenant you must keep, you and your seed after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant that you must keep between Me and you and your seed after you: all your males must be circumcised. 11 You must be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and this will become a sign of the covenant between Me and you.



The point Paul was making is that circumcision was of no value ‘to a non-Jew’ unless they were going to convert to Judaism and take on the whole of Torah. Something Jacob makes clear in Acts 15 that they did not need to do. They will obtain no special grace or favor for such an act. The covenant of circumcision had nothing to do with salvation.

Yet the covenant of circumcision is also a covenant of grace.
Yet we read

“ Romans 2:25. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.”

And all have broken the law so the covenant is broken when me break the law.
 
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Why would he say this? If he was preaching against circumcision why did he circumcise Timothy? Of course anyone circumcised must keep the whole law (Galatians 5:3) . Why would any faithful man be opposed to keep the whole law? Does the light of Torah promote "partiality" concerning the law? Any man that opposes the law of "circumcision on the 8th day"; teaches the law with partiality. Paul the son of a Pharisee was circumcised on the 8th day. Yeshua and Isaac were circumcised on the 8th day.
Paul was one of the most powerful writers of these truths. He was given deep understanding of the things of God.
 
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Paul condescended to the weakness of others for a time. The Old covenant was gradually fading away ready to vanish. But it had not done so at that time. Men cannot go against their conscience until they have knowledge.

Paul was patient with many but put his foot down when they tried to circumcise Titus.

Paul says to the ones under the law he became as under the law.

Jesus said before he died, to the apostle’s, that he had many things to say and to judge but they were not able to bear it yet until the holy Ghost was given.
Who was Titus? Titus was not compelled or forced to be circumcised. I thought circumcision was always voluntary. The hivites voluntarily participated in circumcision concerning Dinah; Simeon and Levi. What happened to the hivites? Did circumcision profit them? Circumcision was practiced as a prerequisite to a marriage.
 
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Romans 3:3 Then what is the advantage of being Jewish? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way. First of all, they were entrusted with the sayings of God. 3 So what if some did not trust? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 May it never be!

Romans 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.

The covenant of circumcision is an everlasting covenant.

Genesis 17:7 Yes, I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, in order to be your God and your seed’s God after you.

9 God also said to Abraham, “As for you, My covenant you must keep, you and your seed after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant that you must keep between Me and you and your seed after you: all your males must be circumcised. 11 You must be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and this will become a sign of the covenant between Me and you.



The point Paul was making is that circumcision was of no value ‘to a non-Jew’ unless they were going to convert to Judaism and take on the whole of Torah. Something Jacob makes clear in Acts 15 that they did not need to do. They will obtain no special grace or favor for such an act. The covenant of circumcision had nothing to do with salvation.

Yet the covenant of circumcision is also a covenant of grace.
They broke the covenant and the law so circumcision was made uncircumcision.

Jeremiah 11:10. They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.”
 
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Who was Titus? Titus was not compelled or forced to be circumcised. I thought circumcision was always voluntary. The hivites voluntarily participated in circumcision concerning Dinah; Simeon and Levi. What happened to the hivites? Did circumcision profit them? Circumcision was practiced as a prerequisite to a marriage.
Galatians 2:3. But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:...16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
 
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Yet we read

“ Romans 2:25. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.”

And all have broken the law so the covenant is broken when me break the law.
Circumcision is practiced so that the law may not be broken (John 7:23).
 
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Who was Titus? Titus was not compelled or forced to be circumcised. I thought circumcision was always voluntary. The hivites voluntarily participated in circumcision concerning Dinah; Simeon and Levi. What happened to the hivites? Did circumcision profit them? Circumcision was practiced as a prerequisite to a marriage.
There were also these false teaching floating around the early church and they had to be addressed,

Acts 15:1. And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.”
 
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They broke the covenant and the law so circumcision was made uncircumcision.

Jeremiah 11:10. They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.”
Once circumcised always circumcised; if you truly honored Torah you would understand.
 
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Circumcision is practiced so that the law may not be broken (John 7:23).
The true circumcision is in the heart spiritual. True saints have no confidence in the flesh nor do we constrain some to be circumcised as scripture speaks of,

“ Colossians 2:11. In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:”

And consider,

Galatians 6:12. As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.13. For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.14. But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.15. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.”
 
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Once circumcised always circumcised; if you truly honored Torah you would understand.
Romans 2:25. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.”
 
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