Abortion Bans are Really Working Great

[KCfromNC]

And with mandatory drug testing.

Great idea, if you want to waste taxpayer dollars that could potentially make it easier for poor women to afford children : e.g. No Savings Found in Florida Welfare Drug Tests

 

[KCfromNC]

Yes, I know that's what you believe, but many people do not. Until pro-lifers can convince more people that a zygote, or a blastocyst or an embryo is a baby--instead of just condemning them for not regarding it as self-evident--they won't see much progress.

One thing which would convince people they mean what they say is working to pass laws which punish women who have abortions with the same penalties as actual murderers. If I saw more of that I'd believe that they actually thought abortion was really murder.

But for some reason, these laws go after doctors, or have lighter punishments. I can see what that would be politically expedient but it does expose a bit of an issue the rhetoric. If the people who think it is murder don't actually want to treat it that way, why should I, someone who doesn't, be expected to?

 

[KCfromNC]

I think what they should do is allow women ONE Extra child after they go on assistance for which the can get money.

Hmm, a one child policy. Wonder where that idea has been tried before.

 

[Speedwell]

Great idea, if you want to waste taxpayer dollars that could potentially make it easier for poor women to afford children : e.g. No Savings Found in Florida Welfare Drug Tests

The savings (if any) are not important. Drug testing is never anything more than a ritual of submission.

 

[KCfromNC]

Let’s make a concession (which you’ll never agree to). How about outlawing all abortions except for rape and incest, and if the mother’s life is at risk.

Posts like this are a good example of tactics I was talking about which make it obvious that "abortion is murder" is to be taken as emotional rhetoric rather than actual fact.

I mean, hey, if one is willing to negotiate to make it OK to "murder" "babies" in some cases, how big of a deal can it really be?

 

[Hammster]

Great idea, if you want to waste taxpayer dollars that could potentially make it easier for poor women to afford children : e.g. No Savings Found in Florida Welfare Drug Tests

I wasn’t thinking about it as a cost saving measure. But yeah, I’m coming around to the left’s idea that whatever is cheapest, we should do it. Killing your child before it’s born is WAY cheaper than raising them.

 

[KCfromNC]

Then we have to get these lazy people off Medicaid, WIC, SNAP, SSI, TNAF, Section 8,etc. Put them in those tents and camps we’re wasting on illegals. So a few million die. They should’ve thought of that before being born.

Or just force them to go to work. Infrastructure week isn't going to build itself.

 

[Hammster]

Posts like this are a good example of tactics I was talking about which make it obvious that "abortion is murder" is to be taken as emotional rhetoric rather than actual fact.

I mean, hey, if one is willing to negotiate to make it OK to "murder" "babies" in some cases, how big of a deal can it really be?

I don’t want to negotiate. I don’t think abortion should happen for any reason. The point was to show that the “what about rape and incest” argument is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

 

[Speedwell]

I wasn’t thinking about it as a cost saving measure. But yeah, I’m coming around to the left’s idea that whatever is cheapest, we should do it. Killing your child before it’s born is WAY cheaper than raising them.

But still you leave the key issue untouched.

 

[Hammster]

But still you leave the key issue untouched.

Enlighten me please. I’m new to the loving ideas of the left.

 

[KCfromNC]

I wasn’t thinking about it as a cost saving measure. But yeah, I’m coming around to the left’s idea that whatever is cheapest, we should do it. Killing your child before it’s born is WAY cheaper than raising them.

Kinda missing the point here. There's a bit of a contradiction between claiming to want to improve government aid while at the same time promoting ideas which make it less effective. Goes back to the point that these sorts of measures are designed to punish people despite their claimed objectives.

 

[Hammster]

Kinda missing the point here. There's a bit of a contradiction between claiming to want to improve government aid while at the same time promoting ideas which make it less effective. Goes back to the point that these sorts of measures are designed to punish people despite their claimed objectives.

If a woman needs assistance, fine. But if some of her income goes to meth, why should we have to pay for it?

 

[Speedwell]

Enlighten me please. I’m new to the loving ideas of the left.

That the zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus (wherever pro-lifers want to draw the line, which seems quite variable) is a human being capable of being murdered. You like to sneer at people for not agreeing with you that it's an objective fact, but make no effort at all to convince them.

 

[Hammster]

That the zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus (wherever pro-lifers want to draw the line, which seems quite variable) is a human being capable of being murdered. You like to sneer at people for not agreeing with you that it's an objective fact, but make no effort at all to convince them.

Everyone knows intuitively that it’s a baby. There’s nothing I can do to convince them otherwise.

 

[KCfromNC]

I don’t want to negotiate. I don’t think abortion should happen for any reason.

And yet you were willing to concede it in some situations in hopes that people would accept in part your view on the matter. Sounds like a negotiation to me, regardless of what you wanted it to be.

And negotiating on when it is OK to "murder" "babies" tells me that the rhetoric isn't meant to be taken seriously.

The point was to show that the “what about rape and incest” argument is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Sorry you feel that way about people attempting to show compassion to women who are crime victims.

 

[KCfromNC]

If a woman needs assistance, fine. But if some of her income goes to meth, why should we have to pay for it?

Because ignoring those outliers is a more efficient method to get government assistance to the poor pregnant women that pro-life people [claim to] want to see have fewer abortions.

 

[Hammster]

And yet you were willing to concede it in some situations in hopes that people would accept in part your view on the matter. Sounds like a negotiation to me, regardless of what you wanted it to be.



Sorry you feel that way about people attempting to show compassion to women who are crime victims.

If twisting what I say is your path to victory, good on ya.

 

[Hammster]

Because ignoring those outliers is a more efficient method to get government assistance to the poor pregnant women that pro-life people [claim to] want to see have fewer abortions.

Who is being ignored?

 

[Speedwell]

Everyone knows intuitively that it’s a baby. There’s nothing I can do to convince them otherwise.

No, everyone does not know that.

 

[Hammster]

No, everyone does not know that.

That’s true. Some have seared consciences.