Abortion Bans are Really Working Great

[FireDragon76]

That’s sad, especially from one who claims to follow Christ.

Can such a person be alive in any meaningful sense?

Don't presume to judge me. I watched somebody from our church dying, I went to visit him. He was hooked up to tubes and being kept alive by a machine. He was alive in only a vegetative sense, with only a low level of consciousness, if any. His brain activity was decreasing, and eventually they decided to disconnect the machines and allow him to die. But Jeff was gone long before they disconnected those machines.

 

[Hammster]

Can such a person be alive in any meaningful sense?

Don't presume to judge me. I watched somebody from our church dying, I went to visit him. He was hooked up to tubes and being kept alive by a machine. He was alive in only a vegetative sense, with only a low level of consciousness, if any. His brain activity was decreasing, and eventually they decided to disconnect the machines and allow him to die.

That’s not killing.

 

[FireDragon76]

That’s not killing.

There's not a clear line between life and death, being and non-being, consciousness and unconsciousness. Those things are far more blurry than you think. So when you pretend that a zygote is the same as an adult, that is just ridiculous- like believing in fairies in the garden or invisible teapots around Jupiter. A zygote doesn't have a nervous system to support the neural correlates of consciousness. The personhood of the embryo and fetus emerges gradually, it's not an all or nothing thing.

 

[Hammster]

There's not a clear line between life and death, being and non-being, consciousness and unconsciousness. Those things are far more blurry than you think. So when you pretend that a zygote is the same as an adult, that is just ridiculous- like believing in fairies in the garden or invisible teapots around Jupiter. A zygote doesn't have a nervous system to support the neural correlates of consciousness. The personhood of the embryo and fetus emerges gradually, it's not an all or nothing thing.

Whatever helps your conscience.

 

[Goonie]

I read this thread and keep wondering where are the demands for prosecutions of those who dispose of human corpses down toilets every day, without investigation or inquest!

 

[cow451]

NM

 

[Hollow Man]

If you are going to declare that abortion is murder from the moment of conception, as many pro-lifers do, then you have to accept the "zygote card" as a fair play.

No, actually, we don't. As I said, the zygotic stage is over before a woman would even know she's pregnant. By the time a woman even notices she's missed her period, the zygotic stage is over. Zygotes don't get aborted,

It's a straw man argument. If you're not going to acknowledge that it's a baby, why not at least call it a fetus, since that would allow you to sound like you have some clue what you're talking about?

They are human zygotes.

Thus, human.

 

[Pommer]

Upwards of 90% of fertilized eggs don’t make it to term (birth).
Early embryo mortality in natural human reproduction: What the data say

Lost electricity here, battery backup limited.

 

[Ringo84]

Upwards of 90% of fertilized eggs don’t make it to term (birth).
Early embryo mortality in natural human reproduction: What the data say

Lost electricity here, battery backup limited.

I hope our penal system can handle all those women whose bodies are committing murder by not fertilizing eggs.
Ringo

 

[Goonie]

Upwards of 90% of fertilized eggs don’t make it to term (birth).
Early embryo mortality in natural human reproduction: What the data say

Lost electricity here, battery backup limited.

There going to have to hire one heck of a lot more coroners.

 

[Tanj]

They still will be accountable to God in the end. We're just trying to prevent the murder of children; obviously with many unsuccessful instances.

Well no, you want to make it murder, with many unsuccessful instances of trying to do so.

 

[Allandavid]

No, actually, we don't. As I said, the zygotic stage is over before a woman would even know she's pregnant. By the time a woman even notices she's missed her period, the zygotic stage is over. Zygotes don't get aborted,

It's a straw man argument. If you're not going to acknowledge that it's a baby, why not at least call it a fetus, since that would allow you to sound like you have some clue what you're talking about?



Thus, human.

If your righteous indignation were in fact genuine, why do we not hear your lot clamouring for mandatory criminal investigations for any woman who suffers a miscarriage...?

After all, if it is ‘justice for the unborn’ that you’re after, and not just the persecution of women, wouldn’t you want to be sure that EVERY fetus’s “death” was an innocent one...?

 

[Speedwell]

No, actually, we don't. As I said, the zygotic stage is over before a woman would even know she's pregnant. By the time a woman even notices she's missed her period, the zygotic stage is over. Zygotes don't get aborted,

It depends on who you ask. Hobby Lobby challenged the ACA which required that the company health plans provide birth control for its employees. The grounds were that some birth control pills prevent implantation, which to them constituted an abortion.

It's a straw man argument. If you're not going to acknowledge that it's a baby, why not at least call it a fetus, since that would allow you to sound like you have some clue what you're talking about?



Thus, human.

OK, but I have been called out for doing that because some pro-lifers think the term "fetus" is a recently made-up word designed to obscure the fact that it's in their minds a baby.

 

[FireDragon76]

I read this thread and keep wondering where are the demands for prosecutions of those who dispose of human corpses down toilets every day, without investigation or inquest!

Don't give them any ideas. That stuff already happens in El Salvador.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Here a point I think not being addressed.

The pill is a “morning after” drug. Abortions happen 8 to 36 weeks later.

A person who is 8 weeks pregnant can not induce the death of the child with the pill. So the premise of the op is inherently flawed.

A lot of Conservative Christians call plan b the abortion pill. Also they are selling pills ,that cause miscarriages.

 

[Servant of Yeshua]

Actually, no. You are not trying to prevent 'murder of children'. You are trying to make criminals out of women.

If you TRULY were trying to stop abortions, you would be working to fix the social and economic issues in this country which make women choose abortion.

Don't flatter yourself with false praise.

Women choose abortion because they either do not believe that God is the author of ALL life and that He knit the child into the womb and that He has a purpose for each and every life. Or, they do believe that and since do not care. Abortion is done out of fear. There is not one human alive who can predict exactly what abortion will do to a woman. Dead is dead and there is no turning back. Women who keep the child have options because with life there is hope. Once the heart stops beating, your hope has gone. Abortion hurts the woman for the rest of her life. Every time she sees a child that would have been that same age. The baby is in the arms of the Lord. So it is for the emotional, physical and spiritual well being of the mother that abortion should be illegal. I have 2 adopted children. I hold the birth mother up to these kids as a hero for giving them life. I will pray for them and thank them all of my days.

 

[Servant of Yeshua]

The vast majority of abortions are performed during the first trimester, well before fetal viability.

So is God the author of life or isn't He? Because if you do a search of the word womb, there are several quotes from the bible. I am just wondering at what point you believe that God is involved in authoring the life of the child? Before or after "fetal viability". Does God not care at all ? History is repeating itself. When the Israelites started treating their children as property to destroy at will, God eventually came down on them fiercely. Wondering how long we have left here in the US.

 

[Allandavid]

Women choose abortion because they either do not believe that God is the author of ALL life and that He knit the child into the womb and that He has a purpose for each and every life. Or, they do believe that and since do not care.

Or they don’t want to be pregnant.....

 

[Allandavid]

So is God the author of life or isn't He?

No...

 

[Desk trauma]

The baby is in the arms of the Lord.

So, what’s the issue in that case?