Trump Administration argues against basic needs for detain children

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They are being detained as well.

The current policy - official or not - is to try and keep the migrants in Mexico. With all the heightened vetting, it is taking so long, folks are getting desperate and crossing illegally to ask.

There could have been funding before - $25 bil - for the border but Republicans did not pass it because they do not like DACA. We need more judges to process people quicker.
 
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Personally speaking I don't view these children as a conspiracy. I view them as being exploited for political gain by the Democrats. So let's get that straight. The Democrats have propagated every situation that is ongoing right now. From denial and obstruction of funding, standing against coyotes that are illegally bringing these children in and even the ethical treatment of these children. Every attempt made by this administration regardless of what it is is obstructed. you cannot continually obstruct an individual from performing their duties and their job and then hold them accountable for not being able to do their job.
No, the Dems are not exploiting these children. Nor have the Dems caused this problem.
That is just biased political ranting.

This thread is about the DOJ at a Federal Court and what the DOJ lawyer said. I doubt the DOJ will win their appeal.
 
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It's not personal and I'm not making it personal. You cannot obstruct an individual in every aspect to responding to a situation and at the same time blame that individual for not responding to the situation.

as far as this only being about resources being denied even you are bringing up family separation and other aspects of this debate. So is the news article referenced in the op. so how is it off topic when even you the creator of the thread is talking about these topics?

As for the discussion about family separation, there are children that have been stolen from their families. there are others were their parents have been killed and they are used to recycle going back and forth with other family units. There are some children in these family groups quote-unquote family groups... That were stolen when they were around two years of age. And they don't even know that they were stolen or being used by the people there with. It takes parentry testing and or DNA profiling to make sure they're actually with their parents. So they are separated for their safety because we are aware of what's going on.
Yeah, you started to make it that way.

As to the rest, I see no back up support.
 
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No, the Dems are not exploiting these children. Nor have the Dems caused this problem.
That is just biased political ranting.

This thread is about the DOJ at a Federal Court and what the DOJ lawyer said. I doubt the DOJ will win their appeal.

Okay this can't go both ways. Democrats have done everything in their power to obstruct this president in any aspect of anything to do with the border. This is intentionally being made into a political spectacle because of the belief that stopping people from coming in this country is evil or wrong. These children are being profiled as evidence of trumps Miss doings. even though no Congressional support or funding will even be allowed unless it is heavily doctored and enforces open border practices

Yeah, you started to make it that way.

As to the rest, I see no back up support.

No ma'am, if I was making it personal I have absolutely no fear in telling you I was. I won't cower away from what I say. I'm not trying to make this personal.

As far as not seeing substantiation it's easy to find. there are literally groups of Mexicans that walk the desert and try to find people before they died that are tied to these trees. Americans also. And it's just simple to watch some of the speeches and watch some of the reports DHS to learn about abduction rates and how many illegal children are not even with family units and are being recycled to cross the border
 
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Pelosi promised Trump that if the government were opened, she would negotiate funding for a wall along with other needs such as we are discussing. Of course, she hasn't done so now that the government is open.
A bipartisan bill was passed in February to keep the government open with 1.3 bil for border fencing. When Trump signed it, he also signed a National Emergency declaration that put a kink in negotiations with Pelosi, et al.
 
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This is disgusting!

Trump administration argues in court that detained migrant children don't need toothbrushes or soap and they can sleep on concrete floors

The Trump administration went to court this week to argue that migrant children detained at the United States-Mexico border do not require basic hygiene products like soap and toothbrushes in order to be in held in "safe and sanitary" conditions. Trump's team also argued that requiring minors to sleep on cold concrete floors in crowded cells with low temperatures similarly fulfilled that requirement.

Arguing in a 9th district San Francisco court about the conditions that they must hold migrant children in, the administration said that they did not violate a precedent set by a landmark 1985 class action lawsuit which established guidelines for the way minors held in federal immigration detention must be treated. ........

"Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you've got an aluminum foil blanket?" U.S. Circuit Judge William Fletcher asked Fabian. "I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary."

The three Federal judges seemed shocked at the administration's argument.

Denying basic needs and making the children sleep on a concrete floor with an aluminum blanket is child abuse, as I see it.

There have been 7 deaths, and even John Sanders, the acting commissioner of Customs and Border Protection said that another 4.6 billion was needed to prevent more deaths.

I find this to be evil.

Quoting this as a reminder of the topic.
 
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So she was absolved of her promise--the one that made the bill possible--you are saying?.
Did you not read that $1.3 bil was part of the bill to reopen the government?

He declared a National Emergency after the fact.

So do you know that discussions are taking place or not?
There will be a new need for a spending bill. Are you sure there are no discussion already in place?

But this is not the topic, is it? This thread is not about funding for the wall Trump wants or fencing. It is about the DOJ's argument in the appeal court.
 
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People whom it concerns should send money and supplies, rather than persistently virtue signal and do nothing.

All focus is putting accountability on the children, and not the parents(if they are) who, made the decisions.

"Virtue signal" is another one of those phrases that betray a lack of concern for other human beings.

People who are hauled into concentration camps are not to blame for the woes they suffer there. Hope this clears things up for you.
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If they are seeking asylum legally, yes. But if they are doing so illegally, then why aren’t we holding the parents to some sort of responsibility?

I don't care whether they're "seeking asylum legally" or not. Nobody deserves what's happening to them at the border, regardless of whether the law (changed since Donny took office to close off legal avenues for people to immigrate legally) recognizes their behavior or not. Period.
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I don't care whether they're "seeking asylum legally" or not. Nobody deserves what's happening to them at the border, regardless of whether the law (changed since Donny took office to close off legal avenues for people to immigrate legally) recognizes their behavior or not. Period.
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I think you missed my point.
 
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For what "crime" do you think they should be held accountable? What possible crime have they committed that warrants this sort of cruelty?
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Why are you putting crime in quotes?
 
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And should children be held to account for the actions of their parents?
No. But hey, let’s not address the actual argument I made. That would be crazy.
 
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Why are you putting crime in quotes?

Because fleeing from a home country rife with violence and deprivation doesn't seem like much of a crime to me.

In fact, it's....kinda what our forefathers did.
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Because fleeing from a home country rife with violence and deprivation doesn't seem like much of a crime to me.

In fact, it's....kinda what our forefathers did.
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That’s a whole different argument, then.
 
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This can't be the first you're hearing about this...

Remember back in January when the president declared an emergency and everyone laughed? Remember when half the country wanted to build infrastructure to keep people out? Remember how these ideas were scoffed not only for their effectiveness but their lack of necessity?

Remember months ago when military, and all sorts of DHS agencies, and volunteers were called in and people called it unnecessary? Remember when mayors of border cities and governors were declaring states of emergency?? Yeah....everyone dismissed it. Well not everyone, but about half of the population.

Now you're concerned about it and trying to lay blame? Where were you when half the population wanted to stop this from happening???

Were you listening to all sides, looking at the facts, and deciding what was true??? Or were you just believing what you wanted to?

There's plenty of blame to go around....but it doesn't seem like it should fall on those who wanted to prevent this. If you aren't willing to put a stop to illegal immigration, you are allowing this catastrophe to happen.

The Trump administration diverted funds to go towards their wall building, if they considered this a priority they would do the same here to make sure that children weren't suffering.

You know, if they didn't want children to suffer.

They did accomplish making the suffering worse and making congress into a gridlock to accomplish the goal they already circumvented congress for though.

Clearly it's all the Democrats fault though. It's their fault that children are suffering because they refuse to cave into the presidents general tactic of terror and hostage taking.
 
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