The gospel is "believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved"...?

[Blade]

Hey Neogaia777... you know.. been found or saved since i was.. 11 or so? And.. every time I think believe I got it... He lets you know there is SO much more to this "Salvation". I wonder sometimes what the thief saw believed. He must have heard something over time.. to say "remember me when you come into your kingdom".

Would seem he just believed that Jesus was who he said He was. Would seem the sweet sweet Holy Spirit revealed this to him seeing Christ on the Cross. John 3 26-17 Rom 10 9-10. What needs to be added to what GOD has written?

I agree..sometimes.. nothing has to be said How many times.. has Jesus shown up in your life so to speak (always with us) where.. nothing said.. but yet every was said.. how holy just merciful grace forgiving..or YOU ARE LORD.. in just that.. you said.. sorry..forgive me.. repented. Did the thief repent? Yes... remember me.. again.. so much more was said.. from his heart.. that is what Christ saw

 

[klutedavid]

But it does matter. It matters that Jesus said that his hope is everybody would be one. Everybody is not one.... the original post is asking how people know who is right. Are you saved by this or are you saved by that. Is such and such also apart of the deal or not.... truthfully I don’t think anybody can claim to know for certain. Sure we have our beliefs but certainty has no need for a belief. So although I understand what your saying, I do feel most of what is talking about in the thread is still relevant.

Who cares what this person or that person claims what the gospel comprises.

1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness.

If your preaching the death and resurrection of the Christ then you are blessed. If your teaching anything else then, you have been side tracked by some historical distortion.

Cut to the core and preach the core; keep it simple.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Who cares what this person or that person claims what the gospel comprises.

1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness.

If your preaching the death and resurrection of the Christ then you are blessed. If your teaching anything else then, you have been side tracked by some historical distortion.

Cut to the core and preach the core; keep it simple.

Simplicity is so much easier I have to say myself!

 

[klutedavid]

Simplicity is so much easier I have to say myself!

You cannot make a mistake that you may regret, if you keep it clean and simple.

Preach Christ only, and love them all.

 

[bcbsr]

The Gospel of John was written specifically to tell people how to have life (eternal life) 20:31 and in the Gospel of John.
Jesus states that He is the promised Messiah and by believing that, a person receives eternal life. When they trust in the promised Messiah for His gift of His eternal life.

In the Acts 10:36-43 you posted the last few words "everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

The (through his name) i strongly believe is That Jesus is the promised Messiah, Messiah is the name that verse is speaking about.

Jesus is the promised Messiah, but there's more to the person of Christ than just that to be saved. One must believe Jesus is Lord; one must believe in his incarnation (1John 4:3); one must believe Jesus rose from the dead; one must believe that he atoned for sin;

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And nothing "more"...?

Jesus plus nothing.

 

[dms1972]

Is it total repentance, or just being totally "repentant"...?

Or is it being totally repentant, until you achieve total repentance...?

And then, what about after that, assuming it is even possible, do you no longer have a need of repentance any longer...?

And if you don't, how do you keep from walking in pride...?

God Bless!

Without wanting to complicate it I have read a good bit on the matter and what I would agree with is that there is what is called evangelical repentance: We read in the Gospels about Jesus, His life and death and resurrection, and by the Holy Spirit we are shown who God is, realising He is Good, and full of mercy to those who come to him through Christ and in humility.

All I can say is for myself i have had to keep repenting through my life, sometimes because of a besetting sin, at other times because of pride creeping into my life. So I have prayed for God to show me pride in my life - I found a little book called Intimacy with God by Floyd McClung very helpful in delineating the various ways pride can be present in a persons life unseen, and providing suggestions of how to pray about that. Its not a book that I think I am finished with.

As we get older new areas in our lives open up, and we can face temptations we didn't before, for instance if we gain seniority in the workplace, or get married, or start a family,..

 

[klutedavid]

Jesus is the promised Messiah, but there's more to the person of Christ than just that to be saved. One must believe Jesus is Lord; one must believe in his incarnation (1John 4:3); one must believe Jesus rose from the dead; one must believe that he atoned for sin;

Your quotation is from a letter John wrote to believers, this thread concerns what we preach to unbelievers.

The deity of the Christ takes considerable time to establish from the scripture. This topic is not something I would teach to an unbeliever, rather, that Jesus is the promised savior of the world. Eternal life is available to anyone who believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Jesus is the light, the only way, the absolute truth.

Keep it simple for unbelievers.

Most folk would never fully understand the incarnation or the deity of the Christ, especially not these days.

 

[klutedavid]

Without wanting to complicate it I have read a good bit on the matter and what I would agree with is that there is what is called evangelical repentance: We read in the Gospels about Jesus and by the Holy Spirit we are shown who God is, realising He is Good, and full of mercy to those who come to him through Christ and in humility.

All I can say is for myself i have had to keep repenting through my life, sometimes because of a besetting sin, at other times because of pride creeping into my life. So I have prayed for God to show me pride in my life - I found a little book called Intimacy with God by Floyd McClung very helpful in delineating the various ways pride can be present in a persons life, and providing suggestions of how to pray about that. Its not a book that I think I am finished with.

As we get older new areas in our lives open up, and we can face temptations we didn't before, for instance if we gain seniority in the workplace, or get married, or start a family,..

Drifting from the OP.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Your quotation is from a letter John wrote to believers, this thread concerns what we preach to unbelievers.

The deity of the Christ takes considerable time to establish from the scripture. This topic is not something I would teach to an unbeliever, rather, that Jesus is the promised savior of the world. Eternal life is available to anyone who believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Jesus is the light, the only way, the absolute truth.

Keep it simple for unbelievers.

Most folk would never fully understand the incarnation or the deity of the Christ, especially not these days.

But what about the questions of certainty? When they ask are you certain about your claims, when we tell them no one is certain can we blame them for saying “no thanks”.... or a bigger question is would Jesus blame them?

 

[dms1972]

Drifting from the OP.

Someone was asking about the need for ongoing repentance.

I had answered the OP in an earlier post.

 

[d taylor]

So you equate one not believing your words....as not desiring eternal life? All should believe your talk concerning the future without question?

Folly,

What if the person encounters one from another religion first.....should they do the same for there words?

If a person ask how to have eternal life and i tell to have eternal life. The Bible say to believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah and trust in Him for the gift of eterna life.

If they, then do not trust in Jesus, i see that as not wanting eternal life. Now if at some other time they do trust in Jesus. That is a possibility.

I am not concerned about other religions.

 

[d taylor]

If your 100% certain it wouldn’t be hard at all for you to change someone’s mind who believes something different. And they would most likely thank you for bringing them certainty and not your beliefs.

I do not go into a lot of what ifs, I just try and present clear evidence if or when asked about eternal life/salvation.

 

[Cis.jd]

The gospel is "believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved"...?


And that's it, that's the good news, however, questions come up, like "believe how" for one, maybe even "believe what" (about or with Jesus Christ) for another, and do we all have to believe or all believe the exact same thing when it comes to Jesus or God, or in having our Christian beliefs about God or whatever, do they have to be the same, or, can they be different?

Then, some will say if you are truly one of His, that confession and repentance must be involved or is a part of the deal as well, and they would be right, mostly or for the most part. We all pretty much agree and there is not much disagreement about the "confession" and confessing part, but, we get hung up and argue quite a bit and there is a lot of disagreement about the whole repentance and repenting part.

So can we resolve these issues or discuss them maybe....?

Is our salvation dependent upon right (or wrong) believing or not...? Or our (confession and) repentance or our being "repentant" in and throughout our lives, and which one is it, if it is...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

I do believe both are required but at the same time I don't think God is that low that he is going to be some cruel towards others for their ignorance. I do think right and wrong factor more.

The whole argument of "you only need to believe" makes morality sound meaningless. What is the point of having a moral code in our design if the only thing that gets us in heaven is by just worshiping this God. Not only does this make morality completely non-existent but it makes God look so insecure.

Revelation states that the dead before the throne where Judged by their works. These dead where not specified to be just believers or non-believers so just by assumption the details are ambiguous. If they where "just believers" then that already refutes the "faith alone" because their names on the book of life depended on what they did not what they believed.

There is just too many logical fallacies with faith alone, and even the Bible through James and Revelation have spoken on how unreasonable it is to just base yourself as christian because you believe.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

If a person ask how to have eternal life and i tell to have eternal life. The Bible say to believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah and trust in Him for the gift of eterna life.

If they, then do not trust in Jesus, i see that as not wanting eternal life. Now if at some other time they do trust in Jesus. That is a possibility.

I am not concerned about other religions.

I understand what your saying but someone might not believe the Bible. So if your 100% certain that means your able to objectively give them something that would make it clear for them. From my understanding and observation it’s seems that nobody is 100% certain of any belief or else it wouldn’t be a belief anymore.

 

[d taylor]

You didn’t answer the question if your 100% certain or not? Well I guess you did I just wanted to see you say it again to be sure you meant what you said.

Do you not believe these verses.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

 

[d taylor]

I understand what your saying but someone might not believe the Bible. So if your 100% certain that means your able to objectively give them something that would make it clear for them. From my understanding and observation it’s seems that nobody is 100% certain of any belief or else it wouldn’t be a belief anymore.

If someone does not believe the Bible then i go no further. Move on

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Do you not believe these verses.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Believing and certainty aren’t the same. If I believe something that doesn’t mean someone else will

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

If someone does not believe the Bible then i go no further. Move on

Oh ok I see.

 

[d taylor]

Believing and certainty aren’t the same. If I believe something that doesn’t mean someone else will

You originally stated below
But what if they do want eternal life but they want certainty. So they are truly hesitant but skeptical to believe anything that isn’t 100% certain. You would handle it the same way? So basically we would say I know were not 100% sure ourself but we want you believe as we believe?

Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking.

I can not make another person 100% certain.

What i was saying is that i am 100% certain that eternal life is through faith in The Messiah. And since I have trusted in the Messiah for eternal life. I am 100% certain i have eternal life never to be lost.