Sir copy and pasted previous messages is not the best debate tactic.
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sir as I mention before, everything is answered here:
John Courson & Tekton apologetics review Heb 6 apostacy.docx
due to the length of your posts, I find it unreasonable for time sake to refute your points one by one as that would simply take too much time. I have provided half a dozen unrefuted verses, that you have not yet refuted in other places than hebrews 6. But if you are honestly searching for the truth regarding this, please read the document.
How many times must I tell you, I did read it.
So you think that a person who is genuinely saved can't "loose" their salvation, but they can simply walk away from it.
By the way, my answers are lengthy, and as thorough as I feel the need to make them, so that I am clearly understood.
The article you present ignores a couple key passages of Scripture:
I will simply present the most direct two texts, from the Apostle Paul.
1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians
4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians
I would like to use another familiar text, along with an illustration to show that "walking away" isn't an option.
10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John
I'm not going to give the "eternal life" and "never perish" arguments, (howbeit they are solid arguments).
Rather, I will focus on how the entire Godhead is involved in keeping us secure in our salvation.
1) We first have the fact that we are Redemptively placed IN Christ.
2) We then have the fact that we are placed IN the Father's hand.
3) We finally have the fact that the Holy Spirit "seals" us, "ye are sealed unto the day of redemption". (This isn't the Redemption of the soul, but rather, the final time when we are united, "body, soul, and spirit" in His presence forever.
Now the illustration to make the application ...
When my mother used to do canning "way back" ... she would get out her Mason jars, a lid for each jar, and a rubber "seal" to complete each set.
After preparing the food that was to be preserved, she would meticulously wipe the rim of each jar, check each lid, then the seal to insure preservation.
She would then fill the jar all the way to the top, then quickly place the rubber seal and the lid carefully on the jar, then tighten it as tight as she could.
The contents of the jar was hot when it was put into the jar. As the food would cool, it began to contract, causing a vacuum. That vacuum would cause the lid to 'pop' downward, which made that "popping" sound that Mom loved to hear.
That "pop" meant that lid had been drawn down in a sufficient amount to cause the lid to become tight enough to "seal" the contents in the jar.
The only way to get the food out of that jar was to physically break the seal. It is impossible for the food inside the jar to break that seal!
In other words, it just can't simply, walk out. Why? Because it is sealed in the jar.
Here is the application ...
When we turn to Christ for salvation, we know we NEED His deliverance from the wrath we so deserve.
We should be taught of the reality of hell, and its torments. It is something that no same person who has been presented with that truth would want to enter willingly, or otherwise.
We willingly come to Christ desiring to be delivered, and trust fully in His ability to do just that. In other words, we aren't forced into being delivered from the hell we know we justly deserve. As a matter of fact, when I had salvation explained to me, I was so glad to hear that even though I would sin again, like my earthly father, my Heavenly Father wasn't going to kick me out as I learned to live for Him. Rather, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit would together keep me secure, all the days of my life.
I was in the Father's hand (the jar); I was in the Son (the lid); and I was sealed with the Holy Spirit (the seal).
I VOLUNTARILY placed myself in their care, trusting them to keep me secure, all the days of my life.
What about "walking away"?
First, I would have to ask, Did you understand that you were (and are) being saved from that which you justly deserve? And that torment isn't very pretty?
Second, did you not understand that you would be sealed, for your own protection?
Third, Is there any sane person who knowing the torments of hell would willingly choose to step out of God's gracious hand?
Finally, SINCE (not if) the Scripture teaches we are "sealed", how do you suppose you can break that seal? Are you mightier than the Holy Spirit?