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I agree.
But I'm very disturbed by some on these forums that clearly state they could sin if they wanted to but don't want to.
What kind of message is that to a new Christian?
Where does it say in the N.T. that we could sin if we want to?
Jesus said the lawless would be told to depart from Him.
Mathew 7:23
Paul said some with certain behaviors are not going to make heaven.
Romans 13:4-5
Romans 13:8-14
Luke 9:62 jesus said:
"No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, if fit for the Kingdom of God.
Speaking biblical truth is not judging someone's soul....
Indeed, it is those that claim someone was "never saved to begin with" that is judging souls.
Hate to tell you but people can sin if they want to! They have already been forgiven, but that does not mean that they will not experience the consequences built into sin!
We should not preach that to a new believer, but we should tell a new believer who most assuredly make a mess still fo their lives (they are brand new babes spiritually after all) that their is unlimited forgivenss while they are growing in Grace til they die! and them remind them of Romans 6:1- we should be learning to toss aside sinful ways and put on the new man!
Matt. 7 Jesus also said to those that He NEVER knew them. Not knew them once but doesn't know them now! They never had a saving relationship with Jesus!
As for your Romans quotes- they have nothing at all to do with salvation! One is about experiencing temporal punishment for disobeying earthly authority, and the other is about holy living because the day is getting closer!
As for Luke- it is about being a disciple not about being saved. Disciple ship is not salvation.
But if that were the case as you allege- the John Mark would have lost his salvation for he turned back from following Paul and Barnabbas because he wanted worldly things. But Paul at the end of his life said this:
2 Timothy 4:11
Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
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