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This does not reflect my experience.yep.
my experience as well of Calvinist believers when I was at a Calvinist church, there was no assurance of salvation, little peace. it was quite fascinating how that was an outcome of calvinist teaching that they dont even realise they're doing to themselves.
No repentance, no salvation. That seems motivation enough.Whats the point of repentance if you cant lose your salvation.?
its very very very RARE to hear a modern day preacher preach that salvation can be lost.
This is biblical and we need the truth spoken over us. Blessings
But I was an Arminian for many decades until I read about Calvinism for myself. So I've seen both views first hand. And I think most of what you say comes from a misunderstanding of Calvinism.did you read my last sentence.. they dont even realise they are doing it to themselves so of course you dont recognize it.
all hot air and no balloon?that's ok, you're calvinist so theres no point.
I agree. The prophecy of the effect of the New Covenant is reflected in verses like 1John 3:9 "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." So while under the Old Covenant God deals with sinfulness through threats of damnation, under the New Covenant God deals with sinfulness by changing a person's nature.Since I have been on the forum - no one, and I mean no one has been able to explain how Jeremiah's prophesy concerning the New Covenant, uniquely detailing the purpose of the indwelling fear of Him, is somehow defeated by our flesh.
Honestly I wonder how many of you have experienced the Fear of Him.
How is it possible to conceive of any human action, attitude, intent, stronger than the Fear of God.
His fear renders you totally undone - prostrate - silenced.
He declares you are saved.
No one can snatch you out of His hand - unless you are bigger than God.
This fear inside you is terrible. This fear inside you is secure.
Those verses again...
Jer 32
39 I will give them one heart and one way, so that they will always fear Me for their own good and for the good of their children after them. 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never turn away from doing good to them, and I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will never turn away from Me. 41 Yes, I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and soul.…
You're assume that the only reason one would do what is right was in order to be saved, which is an Old Covenant concept - obedience through fear of condemnation. Not so under the New Covenant where God changes the nature of the person such that doing what is right becomes natural to the person. Such a person doesn't need to be motivated out of fear of condemnation. 1John 4:18 "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." But perhaps that's unfamiliar to you being not part of your personal experience.Whats the point of repentance if you cant lose your salvation.?
What motivation is that? How can you further give your heart if every
things
been done? If you are all taken care of once you are born again, whats the point of repen
tance and doing good works?
God wants a love relationship with you. He wants you to love him back.
TO be saved you must BELIEVE and repent, continue to beleive and continue to repent. If once saved always saved was true then its not really a relationship. its more of a contract. and a selfish gain.
They may be on the "path", but unlike many of us they haven't arrived at the end to receive eternal life. "Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Gal 3:24,25If a beleiver has true holy fear of God in them then they are on the right path to salvation.
I don't where this fallacy started, ... but it's very pervasive among the clergy.Jesus warned us about Hell many many times, far much more than the glories of Heaven, so i think it is VERY essential to teach.preach about this. And a license from a bishop isnt the Word of God. The word of God prohibits women having authourity over men.
It seems to me that Anglicanism as a whole sits on the fence here -- the 39 articles can (I believe) be read in a Calvinist sense, but they can also be read in a Catholic one.
Firstly 1Cor 6:9-10 is not talking about how to be saved, but rather describing the characteristic behavior of those who aren't saved. To say otherwise is basically to make salvation contingent upon one's performance, which is salvation-by-works, which you pretend not to advocate.1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.
Yet OSAS will still say, if we do those things as a lifestyle, we are either still saved, or their favorite, proven untrue, catch all, "They were never saved to begin with" deception.
Jesus warned us about Hell many many times, far much more than the glories of Heaven, so i think it is VERY essential to teach.preach about this. And a license from a bishop isnt the Word of God. The word of God prohibits women having authourity over men.
Jer. 32: 39-41 is specifically talking about the Jewish nation after they were scattered with the Babylon overthrow.Since I have been on the forum - no one, and I mean no one has been able to explain how Jeremiah's prophesy concerning the New Covenant, uniquely detailing the purpose of the indwelling fear of Him, is somehow defeated by our flesh.
Honestly I wonder how many of you have experienced the Fear of Him.
How is it possible to conceive of any human action, attitude, intent, stronger than the Fear of God.
His fear renders you totally undone - prostrate - silenced.
He declares you are saved.
No one can snatch you out of His hand - unless you are bigger than God.
This fear inside you is terrible. This fear inside you is secure.
Those verses again...
Jer 32
39 I will give them one heart and one way, so that they will always fear Me for their own good and for the good of their children after them. 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never turn away from doing good to them, and I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will never turn away from Me. 41 Yes, I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and soul.…
If a beleiver has true holy fear of God in them then they are on the right path to salvation.
IMO the best way to preach on this subject is "staying the course". As a born again believer we are regenerated with the Holy Spirit. Now, many, including myself, quench the Holy Spirit from time to time thus the course gets altered.its very very very RARE to hear a modern day preacher preach that salvation can be lost.
This is biblical and we need the truth spoken over us. Blessings