Virginia teen was detained and prosecuted for saying 'OINK OINK' to cop

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Your argument poses a false dichotomy that is, frankly, lazy and asinine. In your world, there is either anarchy or police given carte blanche - there is no responsibility or accountability. There is no holding to a higher standard government officials entrusted with a vast amount of power and discretion. There is only complaining about how hard their job is and excusing their bad behavior. Your kind of attitude hurts both cops and civilians.

Did you see the video?
 
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Basically the suspect was arrested for “Contempt Of Cop”. “Resisting arrest” is what they say when they have nothing concrete.

Resisting arrest seems like a charge that's absolutely necessary. If it didn't exist, more criminals would resist arrest....putting cops and the public at risk.
 
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But they don’t endanger their lives everyday. That’s propaganda. Landscapers have a higher death on the job rate. Don’t get me wrong - I think their job is very stressful. I think they should all have master degrees and get paid about twice as much. They should be selected for their ability to keep their cool under extreme pressure and deescalate. What we have now is a lot of bullies with badges that the so called “good” cops protect and cover for.

"Deaths on the job" is a poor way to measure "dangerous jobs".

Landscapers aren't getting assaulted by a bush. Roughly 50,000 cops are assaulted every year. That's about 1 in 10.
 
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"Deaths on the job" is a poor way to measure "dangerous jobs".

Landscapers aren't getting assaulted by a bush. Roughly 50,000 cops are assaulted every year. That's about 1 in 10.

We tend to charge every instance of anyone even laying a single hand on an officer as an assault (among other things). So, we can't say that assaults make ones job inherently dangerous.

“Assaulting a police officer” may not mean what you think

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Quick quiz: Which of the following would be considered “assaulting a police officer”?

  1. Punching a police officer in the face.
  2. Standing behind a gate holding it closed while an officer tries to push it open.
  3. Sitting in your car grabbing the steering wheel while an officer tries to drag you out of your car.
  4. Standing at a Metro station with your hands in your pockets, refusing to take them out of your pockets when an officer commands you to.


If you guessed just #1, you are wrong.

According to the DC Court of Appeals, #1, #2, and #3 all qualify. The US Attorney has argued that #4 does too, but the Court of Appeals said no.
 
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We tend to charge every instance of anyone even laying a single hand on an officer as an assault (among other things). So, we can't say that assaults make ones job inherently dangerous.

“Assaulting a police officer” may not mean what you think

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Quick quiz: Which of the following would be considered “assaulting a police officer”?

  1. Punching a police officer in the face.
  2. Standing behind a gate holding it closed while an officer tries to push it open.
  3. Sitting in your car grabbing the steering wheel while an officer tries to drag you out of your car.
  4. Standing at a Metro station with your hands in your pockets, refusing to take them out of your pockets when an officer commands you to.


If you guessed just #1, you are wrong.

According to the DC Court of Appeals, #1, #2, and #3 all qualify. The US Attorney has argued that #4 does too, but the Court of Appeals said no.

Sorry....I wasn't going by charges, but FBI uniform reporting.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2017/topic-pages/assaults_topic_page_-2017

The numbers have changed since I last looked, but the percentages are the same. While I'm sure a small number of those are questionable....I think the vast majority are valid.
 
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Sorry....I wasn't going by charges, but FBI uniform reporting.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2017/topic-pages/assaults_topic_page_-2017

The numbers have changed since I last looked, but the percentages are the same. While I'm sure a small number of those are questionable....I think the vast majority are valid.

The definition of what constitutes an assault is the issue here not how it is reported.

Injuries are what make a job dangerous so this statistic is the interesting one:
  • Of the 60,211 officers who were assaulted, 17,476 (29.0 percent) sustained injuries.
Your source seems to just assume assault means physically attacked so I'm not sure on the number.
 
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Resisting arrest seems like a charge that's absolutely necessary. If it didn't exist, more criminals would resist arrest....putting cops and the public at risk.
Assault is already a crime. If an officer attempts to arrest somebody and then the suspect attacks him, that's assault.

"Resisting arrest" usually consists of vague, imprecise, subjective and completely unprovable actions which are usually totally dependent on the officer's testimony. Generally, all it takes is the officer's word for this charge to stick.

If a cop ever charges a suspect with this, I usually assume that he's lying. I'm rarely ever given a reason to change my opinion.
 
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"Deaths on the job" is a poor way to measure "dangerous jobs".

Landscapers aren't getting assaulted by a bush. Roughly 50,000 cops are assaulted every year. That's about 1 in 10.
Ah, yes, my ex was one of the assaulters! He accidentally touched a cop at a protest and the next thing you know he was on the ground getting arrested for “assaulting” a cop. He spent two days in jail and when he came home his whole body was covered in bruises.
 
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The definition of what constitutes an assault is the issue here not how it is reported.

Injuries are what make a job dangerous so this statistic is the interesting one:
  • Of the 60,211 officers who were assaulted, 17,476 (29.0 percent) sustained injuries.
Your source seems to just assume assault means physically attacked so I'm not sure on the number.

Well those are injuries they're reporting (as in they'll want compensation, possibly medical bills covered) it's doubtful that every scrape and bruise gets reported.

Regardless though...I don't see why an assault must end in injury in order to be dangerous.
 
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Ah, yes, my ex was one of the assaulters! He accidentally touched a cop at a protest and the next thing you know he was on the ground getting arrested for “assaulting” a cop. He spent two days in jail and when he came home his whole body was covered in bruises.

From the sound of it....the cops where you live have reached a cartoon level of villiany.

Do tell, where is this hive of evil where the criminals are but a minor nuisance and the cops are a blight upon civilized society?
 
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Assault is already a crime. If an officer attempts to arrest somebody and then the suspect attacks him, that's assault.

We aren't talking about assault....we're talking about resisting arrest.

"Resisting arrest" usually consists of vague, imprecise, subjective and completely unprovable actions which are usually totally dependent on the officer's testimony. Generally, all it takes is the officer's word for this charge to stick.

Well in the case of the OP....they have video.

If a cop ever charges a suspect with this, I usually assume that he's lying. I'm rarely ever given a reason to change my opinion.

Well a quick check shows that some states or jurisdictions are somewhat vague about resisting arrest....the general definition is rather clear and the subject in the video clearly resisted arrest.

Resisting Arrest - FindLaw

"To be found guilty, the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt all the elements of the crime. This can include:

  • Prove that the defendant was aware or should have reasonably known that the person they were resisting was a law enforcement officer;
  • Establish that the officer was performing their duties in a lawful manner; and
  • Show the defendant intentionally resisted arrest.

And ....

"Actions commonly seen as committing this crime include:

  • Physically struggling against or attacking an officer while attempting to arrest you;
  • Giving an officer a fake name or other false personal information; or
  • Requiring an officer to carry or drag you to make the arrest.
So when the subject jerks his arm away and makes like he's going to leave....which the officer responds to by grabbing him....is a pretty clear cut example of resisting arrest.
 
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Well those are injuries they're reporting (as in they'll want compensation, possibly medical bills covered) it's doubtful that every scrape and bruise gets reported.

Regardless though...I don't see why an assault must end in injury in order to be dangerous.

I think they are taking the info out of police reports which should be accurately detailing and reporting what is going on as far as injuries.

We can use the amount of injury to accurately assess the danger, as what is termed "assaults" doesn't give us any insight into what is actually being reported in that statistic. They don't define assault so I am using the definition they use under the law to shape my opinion. The information can be misleading though if we think of assault as a physical attack or attempt to injure, but that is just having a picture in our mind when we hear the word, an assumption.

If the court of law considers blocking a gate or holding onto a steering wheel assault, then it is free to be showing up in that statistic and not inherently dangerous to the officer.
 
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Disrespect for officers that risk their lives to maintain our life natures. Not good.
Officers then behaving in a way to justify that disrespect, even worse. Are you opposed to cheek turning?
 
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From the sound of it....the cops where you live have reached a cartoon level of villiany.

Do tell, where is this hive of evil where the criminals are but a minor nuisance and the cops are a blight upon civilized society?
It’s news to you that’s cops beat people up? That was in south Florida.
 
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